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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5282
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:24:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: L2R, As long as the PS3 client exists there is no advantages given to the ps4 version that the ps3 can enjoy other than higher graphics, but things like destructible environments or massive player counts or newer physics cannot be implemented because both the PS3 and PS4 versions of Dust 514 must be signing the same tune. I don't know why they would have to sing the same tune. Lets get realistic here. If they want Dust in 10 years, then it will be a PS4 game. Why should they waste their time and effort developing the same game PS3/PS4 when they could just segregate. its already known that Planetside 2 PS4 players will not be able to play with PC players. All CCP has to do is divide up the game for PS3 and PS4 players and its the same thing. PS3 can have factional warfare while CCP works on PC for PS4. Then when its time to phase the PS3 out you already have working code and advanced based for the PS4 and not a bunch of old junk code. We see this all the time in EVE, they talk about old junk code that no one wants to touch, why are they doing the same thing now?
Same Universe, we don't divide our player base. If there was an Xbox 360, PC and PS3, PS4 and Xbox One Versions of Dust 514, they all must be signing the same tune. While each version could offer its own advantage skin deep only. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
499
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:27:00 -
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RoundEy3 wrote:As far as instant improvement, wouldn't the framerate be smoother? Like, a lot smoother?
Than they wouldn't be able to blame the PS3 why their game runs so crappy. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
661
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Same Universe, we don't divide our player base. If there was an Xbox 360, PC and PS3, PS4 and Xbox One Versions of Dust 514, they all must be signing the same tune.
That's not a true statement at all. EVE uses the Trinity Engine and Dust uses the Unreal engine, two totally different games and engines, same universe. We are already segregated, EVE in Space, Dust on the ground, Why not Dust PS3 in High Sec and Dust PS4 in Low sec and Null Sec. Since they can already get 2 seperate engines to interact, I don't see why there should be some amazing problem at getting 3 engines to interact. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
649
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:28:00 -
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Y'know, people on the PS3 might not like it but some of the graphical restrictions and so on could simply be lifted on the PS4 -- they don't have to display exactly the same on both systems.
Additionally, with "cross platform" abilities a port to the PS4 could continue to develop independently of the PS3 branch as long as the server storage was shared... would take some careful design work to avoid incompatibilities when going back and forth. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5282
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:31:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Same Universe, we don't divide our player base. If there was an Xbox 360, PC and PS3, PS4 and Xbox One Versions of Dust 514, they all must be signing the same tune.
That's not a true statement at all. EVE uses the Trinity Engine and Dust uses the Unreal engine, two totally different games and engines, same universe. We are already segregated, EVE in Space, Dust on the ground, Why not Dust PS3 in High Sec and Dust PS4 in Low sec and Null Sec. Since they can already get 2 seperate engines to interact, I don't see why there should be some amazing problem at getting 3 engines to interact.
Carbon RESTful API is the only sheet music both Eve and Dust 514 has to sing together, but all versions of Eve (linux, PC, MAC) and all theoretical versions of Dust 514 (PC, PS3, PS4, X360, XBONE, OUYA, Steambox ect. ect.) must be singing their own singular tune. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
426
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:35:00 -
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Not being on the PS4 for launch day just means they are handing off that potential customer base to the games that do. I doubt many people will want to grind on two vast games that are nearly identical for all intents and purposes to console gamers.
Not good business sense, IMHO. You want to be there on launch to make money. Not being on the ps4 on launch means they are needlessly losing money. potentially forever.
but hey- I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it went down. F it. why not make this into more of a goat rodeo. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1838
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:37:00 -
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Dust 514 not being on PS4 is proof that this game is still in beta. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
661
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Carbon RESTful API is the only sheet music both Eve and Dust 514 has to sing together, but all versions of Eve (linux, PC, MAC) and all theoretical versions of Dust 514 (PC, PS3, PS4, X360, XBONE, OUYA, Steambox ect. ect.) must be singing their own singular tune.
Exactly, and thats what I mean. They are going to waste time dulling down the PS4 version to make it match the PS3 version, or they are going to just not do the PS4 version and develope the PS3 version. Either way, alot of time is being wasted on a system that is going to be dead soon.
The PS4 is cheap, $399 is really not a bad deal. PS3 when it first came out was a HUGE jump at like $499. After 7 years and inflation the new system is even cheaper then the old system was. The conversion rate is going to be staggeringly quick compared to PS2 -> PS3 Covnersion. Dust is going to be collecting dust as the PS4 comes through. I will be owning one as soon as I can, though I'm not going to spend $5,000 because Sony didn't ship enough like last time, but once they stock back up I will get one.
Not that you could change anything, but CCP is flushing $$ down the drain in the form of coding and development time. With how much of a performance boost the PS4 has, I'm not sure you could really salvage anything from one system to another. It would be like playing the Wii on your 62" plasma television, it looks like crap. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
163
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:41:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Cuz then less people would know how terrible it is. Why are you here?
You think the game is terrible but still you are here? Why not move on dude? What |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
163
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:42:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Cuz then less people would know how terrible it is. Why are you here?
You think the game is terrible but still you are here? Why not move on dude? What-¦s going on?? |
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3537
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:RoundEy3 wrote:As far as instant improvement, wouldn't the framerate be smoother? Like, a lot smoother? It still won't solve the other complaints about lag, hit detection and the sorts and the myriad of core, mantle and shell improvements needed and the process of getting closer to a more complete game.
it wont......not if ccp dumb enough to just port it and not have an upgraded UE4 DUST running |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1843
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:53:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:RoundEy3 wrote:As far as instant improvement, wouldn't the framerate be smoother? Like, a lot smoother? It still won't solve the other complaints about lag, hit detection and the sorts and the myriad of core, mantle and shell improvements needed and the process of getting closer to a more complete game. it wont......not if ccp dumb enough to just port it and not have an upgraded UE4 DUST running I'd rather them just try to put it on Carbon and- .... Holy sh- |
Deranged Disaster
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
200
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:03:00 -
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I really can't comprehend why CCP don't want to push it to the PS4 yet. Unreal engine 4 is coming out which is easier than ever to develop on and much more powerful along with a console that is easier to develop on aswell that does not have the boundaries PS3 has. CCP will not have to worry about clogging up the RAM of the console, pushing the graphics too much or making the processor burn out because the PS4 will be able to handle them. I don't think the devs are wasting time developing for the PS3 atm but if a year has passed and it's not ported over the playerbase will tremendously drop and it will end up being, at best, lower than 1k players on a daily basis UNLESS the devs roll up their sleeves and make this summer full of content that isn't dissapointing us. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
662
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:06:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:I really can't comprehend why CCP don't want to push it to the PS4 yet. Unreal engine 4 is coming out which is easier than ever to develop on and much more powerful along with a console that is easier to develop on aswell that does not have the boundaries PS3 has. CCP will not have to worry about clogging up the RAM of the console, pushing the graphics too much or making the processor burn out because the PS4 will be able to handle them. I don't think the devs are wasting time developing for the PS3 atm but if a year has passed and it's not ported over the playerbase will tremendously drop and it will end up being, at best, lower than 1k players on a daily basis UNLESS the devs roll up their sleeves and make this summer full of content that isn't dissapointing us.
Yea, thats what I am saying. Dust is fun, but its definately not AAA class. Updates are coming very very slowly and not fixing what needs to be fixed. At the rate stuff is being fixed, its already basically to late for the PS3. Because we are looking at July before we get another attempt at fixing the latency, hit detection, cursor movement... All the stuff that basically makes the "Core" of gameplay. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
390
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:40:00 -
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Totally agree, the longer they wait to bring this game to the PS4 is the more they have to throw away when they finally do. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:50:00 -
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I know that PS4 won't suddenly make Dust better, but there are other reasons that it should be on the PS4. I know everyone won't switch right away, but if there are enough good games PS4, I will probably stick the PS3 in the closet and not look back (except for Dark Souls 2 of course). Which means if I want to play Dust, I'd have to take it out and reconnect any time I want to play. But at this point I don't really think Dust is compelling enough for me to want to do that. |
Planetside2 FreeonPS4
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:46:00 -
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Planetside 2 free on PS4 this year |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
371
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:55:00 -
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To port ANY GAME from the ps3 to the ps4 will take years simply because the ps3 uses a completely different file system then the ps4. Also CCP made this game before Sony had announced that the ps4 was coming out.]
Porting this game to the ps4 won't magically fix all the problems either. The only thing that'll improve is FPS. (And even that wouldn't be increased by a huge margin) Also for those of you saying "CCP have used almost all of the ps3's processing power" well guess what you are fking stupid. No developer has been able to utilize more then 80% of the ps3's true processing power so I doubt CCP is even close to utilizing the ps3s processing power. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1981
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:58:00 -
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I've deleted some off-topic posts from this thread. |
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:04:00 -
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Lol at title.
Being on PS4 or PS5 won't save Dust. Nothing will save Dust.
You expect people to choose this game over the likes of Planetside 2 or Destiny?
Choppy slideshow graphics / lag / aiming is f--ked / need to wait 10 years to fix
vs
Proper AAA title by larger and experienced game studios with none of the above problems? |
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Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
117
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:07:00 -
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I agree with the OP sentiment. However, the PS4 is basically a PC, and CCP have plenty of programming experience there so if Dust were on PS4 it might lead to more frequent updates. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1299
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:09:00 -
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You do know that ppl will keep ther PS3 just for DUST and use the PS4 for other next gen games |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:11:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:You do know that ppl will keep ther PS3 just for DUST and use the PS4 for other next gen games
I have a PS3 and a PS4.
It's so difficult to choose which to play! |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
163
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:18:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote:Lol at title.
Being on PS4 or PS5 won't save Dust. Nothing will save Dust.
You expect people to choose this game over the likes of Planetside 2 or Destiny?
Choppy slideshow graphics / lag / aiming is f--ked / need to wait 10 years to fix
vs
Proper AAA title by larger and experienced game studios with none of the above problems? lol you are just a little kitten aren-¦t you?
Why are you here crying over a dead game? Time for you to move on to a new one? |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:07:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote:Lol at title.
Being on PS4 or PS5 won't save Dust. Nothing will save Dust.
You expect people to choose this game over the likes of Planetside 2 or Destiny?
Choppy slideshow graphics / lag / aiming is f--ked / need to wait 10 years to fix
vs
Proper AAA title by larger and experienced game studios with none of the above problems? lol you are just a little kitten aren-¦t you? Why are you here crying over a dead game? Time for you to move on to a new one?
Because I want to see Dust getting improved and I am stating the obvious consequences if CCP doesn't learn how to code a first person shooter real soon. |
KingBabar
NorwegianWood
849
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:18:00 -
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ISuperstar wrote:CCP had to have known that the PS4 would be coming soon. This game should've been a beta on PS3 and finally fully released on PS4.
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
670
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:27:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote: I have a PS3 and a PS4.
It's so difficult to choose which to play!
Failtroll,
But you bring a good point. Probably in March (When the price for PS4 falls from $5,000 on ebay because they didn't ship enough) I am going to hook up my PS4, I am going to unhook my PS3 once I get tired of Dark Souls 2 farming red ghost and blue newbs. And the PS3 will probably never be hooked up again.
I am not a legacy gamer, I don't bust out my Atari or my Genesis or my Commodore 64 for nostalgia. They were fun while they lasted, but when the gaming industry was in its infancy it was in its infancy, now that its growing up we put away the baby toys. |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
88
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:42:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:You do know that ppl will keep ther PS3 just for DUST and use the PS4 for other next gen games
This is what I plan on doing. The PS4 will take the PS3's place in the living room. and the PS3 will be hooked up to my PC montior
By the way, does anyone have any decent links or info on PS4 backwards compatibility with DUST and other PS3 titles? |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
179
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:02:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:You do know that ppl will keep ther PS3 just for DUST and use the PS4 for other next gen games
Some will, some won't. What we will not know is how many are currently part of the Dut 514 player base.
Like Daedric I am not a legacy gamer when I move on I do not look back. If by the time I get a PS4 Dust 514 is, in my opinion, a good place I will probably leave the PS3 connected but if it is not then the next time I will check in is when Dust makes the jump to PS4.
On th positive side:
1. I will have plenty of (passive) SP built up by then. 2. Cancelled the auto renew on Xbox Gold so I can replace it with PS+ when the PS4 comes out 3. Not getting the Xbox one, not even the exclusive 10 year customer one they offered, so that frees up some space and connections on/under the TV.
No I am not an Xbox fanboi as I generally buy all of the consoles but I am not impressed with the Xbox and Nintendo consoles this time around.
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Greg Dopson
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 04:47:00 -
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Save dust?
What is your issue, grab a tissue. Dust is doing fine, just play for christ sake |
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