Thoughts, ideas?

One-shot the logi with a Forge Gun, balance achieved?

Said it before and Ill say it again, the only nerf logistics need is replacing the light weapon slot with a sidearm slot
Do that and youll see people migrate away from it so they can actually use their favorite weapons

Said it before and Ill say it again, the only nerf logistics need is replacing the light weapon slot with a sidearm slot
Do that and youll see people migrate away from it so they can actually use their favorite weapons

Way back in the Replication build, tears of Waaaaah! came over those who faced off with a heavy in their loludied 10 meter range area.

Back then it seemed justifiable that they had no equipment slot and very limited High/Low slots. But we still thought of many ways to further balance the heavy/HMG considering the HMG dominance in close quarters. - Lower turn speed, lower damage, higher dispersion, less health, faster heatbuild-up. All of these ideas were possible fixes for the perceived dominance of the heavy suit.

Then, in E3 built we found that they had implemented EVERY SINGLE ONE of those debuffs. Since then they have only piled those debuffs higher and higher and the heavy falls farther and farther behind until it is now one of the single most boring classes to play in all of vidyagaeming..

Wow didn't even know there was a republican build. Well explains a lot I started in the final days of chromosome.

There was even a build before that, but SP was hard to come by and there was no HMG - only a forge gun. The heavy suit required Drop suit level 5 and it was a 10x skill, so no one had one.

One-shot the logi with a Forge Gun, balance achieved?

That, or use the Scrambler Rifle... it drops shields in one single shot.

Lol with a charge in the head, they have something like 676 shield give or take so yeah I can see it.

It does... I know because i already done it. A power shot with two short burst, completely drops the shields of any Class, Proto or not, then you can rip their armor with a SMG.

But that was the thought behind original post, heavies lose a lot for the HMG and SCR f**** s*** up hard, it's a great gun I like it.

Heavies could use a little more ehp, cal logies could use a little less.

I don't think there's much more that needs to be said here.

True true, think the Amarr logi might need some love too

I know it's just a hypothetical, but no one in their right minds would stack that many plates.

Speaking of which, armor tanking in general needs work.

This is where having a sidearm is important -- creates a lot of versatility in being able to have weapons that cater to certain types of tanking.

The scrampler + smg or scrambler + flaylock combo is beginning to emerge as a strong combo.

damage per clip> dps

Also the caldari logi is one flux away from the weakest suit in the game, LEARN HOW TO PLAY, stop making excuses as to why your bad...

Plenty of top players have chosen other suits besides the caldari logi, some imps respec'd out of it because the lack of side arm makes it tough, especially if you want to snipe or run with a weapon with low ammo.

Well if that's all that mattered the proto forge gun would out class all weapons with its 2800 Dmg +277splash x 4. But then how many players do you see using breach forge guns for infantry because it has highest damage per clip?

I think part of the problem is how they have they have the generic bonuses. AKA the armor repair bonus on all logis, or the shield recharge bonus on assault.

Gallante/Amarr suits shouldn't have shield recharge bonuses. Caldari suits shouldn't have armor repair bonuses.

They need to either make the generic bonuses more race neutral, or just have 2 racial bonuses for each suit type.

Personally I would do something like this

Generic logi bonus= repairers (the kind you use on other players) and nanohives are 10% more effective per level.

Generic assault bonus= light arms do 3% more damage per level

Scout bonus is fine. They just need a bit more health, but not through a bonus.

I know it's just a hypothetical, but no one in their right minds would stack that many plates.

Speaking of which, armor tanking in general needs work.

Actually in proposed set up said caldari logi still has 502 armor just 4 less than a heavy. Which by most accounts still puts it at higher tiers of HP. Hell they will still have as much HP as a fully tanked scout.

I was merely replying to your damage per clip>dps

If you prefer most were using duvolle tar with its higher dps to the scrambler rifles higher damage per clip, both are intended AP weapons.

Heavys have the superior weapons now, HMG is the best mid range run in the game now.

Speed=health in this game

Also the caldari logi has no side arm, let them waste their ammo and charge when they reload, it's quite simple really.

Is everyone really that dumb on here? EVERYTHING has a COUNTER, you have to INVEST in that COUNTER, it's not just given to you like other games and until nerds like you realize that this game will continue to suck....

I think part of the problem is how they have they have the generic bonuses. AKA the armor repair bonus on all logis, or the shield recharge bonus on assault.

Gallante/Amarr suits shouldn't have shield recharge bonuses. Caldari suits shouldn't have armor repair bonuses.

They need to either make the generic bonuses more race neutral, or just have 2 racial bonuses for each suit type.

Personally I would do something like this

Generic logi bonus= repairers (the kind you use on other players) and nanohives are 10% more effective per level.

Generic assault bonus= light arms do 3% more damage per level

Scout bonus is fine. They just need a bit more health, but not through a bonus.

Your an idiot clearly, most people always gravitate to AR's in EVERY shooter.

The AR's where well known before scrambler rifles were implemented, now that AR's are completely trash via nerds, if given a respec almost everyone would switch over to scrambler rifles, just wait another month or so and the scrambler will see a nerf just like the AR's....

tac ar was roughly 75.8 per bullet with 30 clip=2274 per clip

assault was 35.8 or so x's 60 = 2148

Consider the fact full auto is superior in a game with bad hit detection and frame rate...

I dont know the exact numbers....

But obviously you guys are bad players, that need some excuse to fall on, it doesn't really matter though other dev's have a backbone unlike CCP, so enjoy molding this game into **** while you can.

You are so right about speed, but then you are so wrong in so many other different ways I almost feel bad pointing it out.

Your a bad player, that's why your in impswarm, no offense. You don't know what your talking about...

What allot people don't understand, is that the Caldari suit is not longer the logical choice for an assault class. The SCR has make Shield tanking a dangerous thing to do, and i personally found enough unbalance issues in the Caldari medium suit, to start thinking about the Minitar medium suit as a better choice.

Not trying to spark conflict but in proposed load out said caldari logi still retains 500+armor and can be pushed further with the use of more complex plates. I merely did it this way for speeds sake you could if wishing only to armor tank attain 617 armor which I believe for medium suit armor tanking is still impressive. This again brings up the point where armor tanking is still not as effective as shield tanking. If you would what is your proposed load out against imbalance issues with Minmatar

LOLOK

Like you say... "Speed". Armor tanking with a Caldari suit is illogical, and when people starts to use the SCR more, shield tanking is going to be unrealistic.

Let me clarify... "Speed" tanking is going to be the best direction for a assault class to go to.

TAC AR lost at range to any decent sniper and was bested in CQC by any decent heavy or shotgunner.

Oh interesting, avoid bullets altogether because of increasingly damaging weapons. Brilliant! I have to say but will a Minmatar logi be able to go faster because of increased low slots? Most logical thing I've heard.

This is a load of crap. A heavy could open fire from behind me, I could spin around and drop him with a Tac AR no prob. I still had enough ammo to kill his logi and an unfortunate red dot that was meandering off in the background.

This is a load of crap. A heavy could open fire from behind me, I could spin around and drop him with a Tac AR no prob. I still had enough ammo to kill his logi and an unfortunate red dot that was meandering off in the background.

Or I'm in the same alliance as him and have witnessed him play multiple times...

You can analyze all you want, numbers don't equal gameplay, this isn't EVE.

You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play.

No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you.

The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot.

This is a load of crap. A heavy could open fire from behind me, I could spin around and drop him with a Tac AR no prob. I still had enough ammo to kill his logi and an unfortunate red dot that was meandering off in the background.

Is the best close to mid range weapon.. with the current weapons range. You see.. CCP nerfed the range of all the weapons to MID range. Only the sniper rifle is actually LONG range.

You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play.

No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you.


The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot.

TheMarkOf22,

What's the best mid range weapon then? The HMG out ranges the Full Auto AR's

It's not, the DPS is lower across the board. The only thing the HMG has going for it is the health of the user.

The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even...

I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR.

The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even...

I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR.

Try playing the game.

How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me?

Try playing the game.

How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me?

Actually HMG has higher dps than duvolle its just at range (20m)not all rounds hit and they start doing the damage of sneezing kittens While the good ol' duvolle keeps right on steady with its damage.

Boundless 19.8 x33.3. 660Dps
Duvolle. Can't remember exactly 39x12.5. 488
Apparently HMG are 95vs shield and 110vs armor
AR s are 110vs shield and 90 vs armor

HMG 35% more damage than AR
AR 15% more effective against shield
20% less effective vs armor

Try playing the game.

How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me?

So.. ? you still can kill me .. I can kill you with a Semi-automatic Machine Gun, i will just take me longer to do it, than with a Heavy Machine Gun.

See what i did there ?

All the AR's have been nerfed in uprising, the range is completely removed from the previous builds....

What's the best mid range weapon then? The HMG out ranges the Full Auto AR's

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Said it before and Ill say it again, the only nerf logistics need is replacing the light weapon slot with a sidearm slot
Do that and youll see people migrate away from it so they can actually use their favorite weapons