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Ignatius Crumwald
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:46:00 -
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Way back in the Replication build, tears of Waaaaah! came over those who faced off with a heavy in their loludied 10 meter range area.
Back then it seemed justifiable that they had no equipment slot and very limited High/Low slots. But we still thought of many ways to further balance the heavy/HMG considering the HMG dominance in close quarters. - Lower turn speed, lower damage, higher dispersion, less health, faster heatbuild-up. All of these ideas were possible fixes for the perceived dominance of the heavy suit.
Then, in E3 built we found that they had implemented EVERY SINGLE ONE of those debuffs. Since then they have only piled those debuffs higher and higher and the heavy falls farther and farther behind until it is now one of the single most boring classes to play in all of vidyagaeming.. |
Ignatius Crumwald
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Posted - 2013.06.08 09:12:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:NovaSpree wrote:Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Way back in the Replication build, tears of Waaaaah! came over those who faced off with a heavy in their loludied 10 meter range area.
Back then it seemed justifiable that they had no equipment slot and very limited High/Low slots. But we still thought of many ways to further balance the heavy/HMG considering the HMG dominance in close quarters. - Lower turn speed, lower damage, higher dispersion, less health, faster heatbuild-up. All of these ideas were possible fixes for the perceived dominance of the heavy suit.
Then, in E3 built we found that they had implemented EVERY SINGLE ONE of those debuffs. Since then they have only piled those debuffs higher and higher and the heavy falls farther and farther behind until it is now one of the single most boring classes to play in all of vidyagaeming.. Wow didn't even know there was a republican build. Well explains a lot I started in the final days of chromosome. There was even a build before that, but SP was hard to come by and there was no HMG - only a forge gun. The heavy suit required Drop suit level 5 and it was a 10x skill, so no one had one.
I almost had one.... One more day and I could have taken my revenge on GM Nythanos and Player0003 in their friggin' tanks... |
Ignatius Crumwald
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Posted - 2013.06.08 09:57:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:I know it's just a hypothetical, but no one in their right minds would stack that many plates.
Speaking of which, armor tanking in general needs work.
It has been talked about forever.
Shield tanking has ZERO down side and Armor tanking has the worst death sentence imaginable attached to it - lower speed. |
Ignatius Crumwald
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Posted - 2013.06.08 10:06:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:NovaSpree wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Also the caldari logi is one flux away from the weakest suit in the game, LEARN HOW TO PLAY, stop making excuses as to why your bad...
Plenty of top players have chosen other suits besides the caldari logi, some imps respec'd out of it because the lack of side arm makes it tough, especially if you want to snipe or run with a weapon with low ammo.
Actually in proposed set up said caldari logi still has 502 armor just 4 less than a heavy. Which by most accounts still puts it at higher tiers of HP. Hell they will still have as much HP as a fully tanked scout. Heavys have the superior weapons now, HMG is the best mid range run in the game now. Speed=health in this game Also the caldari logi has no side arm, let them waste their ammo and charge when they reload, it's quite simple really. Is everyone really that dumb on here? EVERYTHING has a COUNTER, you have to INVEST in that COUNTER, it's not just given to you like other games and until nerds like you realize that this game will continue to suck....
You are so right about speed, but then you are so wrong in so many other different ways I almost feel bad pointing it out. |
Ignatius Crumwald
IMPSwarm
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Posted - 2013.06.08 10:29:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Ignatius Crumwald wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:NovaSpree wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Also the caldari logi is one flux away from the weakest suit in the game, LEARN HOW TO PLAY, stop making excuses as to why your bad...
Plenty of top players have chosen other suits besides the caldari logi, some imps respec'd out of it because the lack of side arm makes it tough, especially if you want to snipe or run with a weapon with low ammo.
Actually in proposed set up said caldari logi still has 502 armor just 4 less than a heavy. Which by most accounts still puts it at higher tiers of HP. Hell they will still have as much HP as a fully tanked scout. Heavys have the superior weapons now, HMG is the best mid range run in the game now. Speed=health in this game Also the caldari logi has no side arm, let them waste their ammo and charge when they reload, it's quite simple really. Is everyone really that dumb on here? EVERYTHING has a COUNTER, you have to INVEST in that COUNTER, it's not just given to you like other games and until nerds like you realize that this game will continue to suck.... You are so right about speed, but then you are so wrong in so many other different ways I almost feel bad pointing it out. Your a bad player, that's why your in impswarm, no offense. You don't know what your talking about...
LOLOK
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Ignatius Crumwald
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:12:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:NovaSpree wrote:
LOLOK
Fret not this troll (if I'm using this correctly) is merely taking pot shots at you due the veracity of his statements falling lax, and is on an aggrandizing rant to up some inflated sense of pride for a video game while I merely go on a statistical analysis of possible load outs. He's right I'm a nerd.
Or I'm in the same alliance as him and have witnessed him play multiple times... You can analyze all you want, numbers don't equal gameplay, this isn't EVE.
You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play.
No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you.
The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot. |
Ignatius Crumwald
IMPSwarm
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:24:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Ignatius Crumwald wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:NovaSpree wrote:
LOLOK
Fret not this troll (if I'm using this correctly) is merely taking pot shots at you due the veracity of his statements falling lax, and is on an aggrandizing rant to up some inflated sense of pride for a video game while I merely go on a statistical analysis of possible load outs. He's right I'm a nerd.
Or I'm in the same alliance as him and have witnessed him play multiple times... You can analyze all you want, numbers don't equal gameplay, this isn't EVE. You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play. No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you. The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot. Is the best close to mid range weapon.. with the current weapons range. You see.. CCP nerfed the range of all the weapons to MID range. Only the sniper rifle is actually LONG range.
It's not, the DPS is lower across the board. The only thing the HMG has going for it is the health of the user.
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Ignatius Crumwald
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:29:00 -
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The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even...
I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. |
Ignatius Crumwald
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:39:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Ignatius Crumwald wrote:The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even...
I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. Try playing the game. How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me?
Maybe he was using the Burst, which is more LOL than the laser rifle. |
Ignatius Crumwald
IMPSwarm
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:50:00 -
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NovaSpree wrote:Actually HMG has higher dps than duvolle its just at range (20m)not all rounds hit and they start doing the damage of sneezing kittens While the good ol' duvolle keeps right on steady with its damage.
Taking the negative efficiency vs. shields into account, no. |
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Ignatius Crumwald
IMPSwarm
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Posted - 2013.06.08 12:16:00 -
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NovaSpree wrote:Boundless 19.8 x33.3. 660Dps
Duvolle. Can't remember exactly 39x12.5. 488
Apparently HMG are 95vs shield and 110vs armor
AR s are 110vs shield and 90 vs armor
HMG 35% more damage than AR
AR 15% more effective against shield
20% less effective vs armor
Hmm.... I'll have to take a look then, I thought Hybrid was the baseline with 100% for both with the deviations occurring in energy and Projectile ammo at +/- depending on the weapon.
I just assumed they left it that way.
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Ignatius Crumwald
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Posted - 2013.06.08 12:21:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Ignatius Crumwald wrote:The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even...
I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. So.. ? you still can kill me .. I can kill you with a Semi-automatic Machine Gun, i will just take me longer to do it, than with a Heavy Machine Gun. See what i did there ?
I do, I see it.
I can also put more head shots into you with an SMG and likely kill you quicker than I can with an HMG.
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