DUST Search - Balance?

Ignatius Crumwald wrote:

EVEry DUSTOID wrote:

NovaSpree wrote:

EVEry DUSTOID wrote:

Also the caldari logi is one flux away from the weakest suit in the game, LEARN HOW TO PLAY, stop making excuses as to why your bad...

Plenty of top players have chosen other suits besides the caldari logi, some imps respec'd out of it because the lack of side arm makes it tough, especially if you want to snipe or run with a weapon with low ammo.

Actually in proposed set up said caldari logi still has 502 armor just 4 less than a heavy. Which by most accounts still puts it at higher tiers of HP. Hell they will still have as much HP as a fully tanked scout.

Heavys have the superior weapons now, HMG is the best mid range run in the game now.

Speed=health in this game

Also the caldari logi has no side arm, let them waste their ammo and charge when they reload, it's quite simple really.

Is everyone really that dumb on here? EVERYTHING has a COUNTER, you have to INVEST in that COUNTER, it's not just given to you like other games and until nerds like you realize that this game will continue to suck....

You are so right about speed, but then you are so wrong in so many other different ways I almost feel bad pointing it out.


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EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 107	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:43:00 - [1] - Quote damage per clip> dps
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 107	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:45:00 - [2] - Quote Also the caldari logi is one flux away from the weakest suit in the game, LEARN HOW TO PLAY, stop making excuses as to why your bad... Plenty of top players have chosen other suits besides the caldari logi, some imps respec'd out of it because the lack of side arm makes it tough, especially if you want to snipe or run with a weapon with low ammo.
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 107	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:51:00 - [3] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: EVEry DUSTOID wrote: damage per clip> dps Well if that's all that mattered the proto forge gun would out class all weapons with its 2800 Dmg +277splash x 4. But then how many players do you see using breach forge guns for infantry because it has highest damage per clip? well it has no ammo pool and requires a charge up time and it's built for AV so it's not really relevant for Anti-infantry...
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 107	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:57:00 - [4] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: EVEry DUSTOID wrote: Also the caldari logi is one flux away from the weakest suit in the game, LEARN HOW TO PLAY, stop making excuses as to why your bad... Plenty of top players have chosen other suits besides the caldari logi, some imps respec'd out of it because the lack of side arm makes it tough, especially if you want to snipe or run with a weapon with low ammo. Actually in proposed set up said caldari logi still has 502 armor just 4 less than a heavy. Which by most accounts still puts it at higher tiers of HP. Hell they will still have as much HP as a fully tanked scout. Heavys have the superior weapons now, HMG is the best mid range run in the game now. Speed=health in this game Also the caldari logi has no side arm, let them waste their ammo and charge when they reload, it's quite simple really. Is everyone really that dumb on here? EVERYTHING has a COUNTER, you have to INVEST in that COUNTER, it's not just given to you like other games and until nerds like you realize that this game will continue to suck....
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 107	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:06:00 - [5] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: I was merely replying to your damage per clip>dps If you prefer most were using duvolle tar with its higher dps to the scrambler rifles higher damage per clip, both are intended AP weapons. Your an idiot clearly, most people always gravitate to AR's in EVERY shooter. The AR's where well known before scrambler rifles were implemented, now that AR's are completely trash via nerds, if given a respec almost everyone would switch over to scrambler rifles, just wait another month or so and the scrambler will see a nerf just like the AR's.... tac ar was roughly 75.8 per bullet with 30 clip=2274 per clip assault was 35.8 or so x's 60 = 2148 Consider the fact full auto is superior in a game with bad hit detection and frame rate... I dont know the exact numbers.... But obviously you guys are bad players, that need some excuse to fall on, it doesn't really matter though other dev's have a backbone unlike CCP, so enjoy molding this game into **** while you can.
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:14:00 - [6] - Quote Tharak Meuridiar wrote: I think part of the problem is how they have they have the generic bonuses. AKA the armor repair bonus on all logis, or the shield recharge bonus on assault. Gallante/Amarr suits shouldn't have shield recharge bonuses. Caldari suits shouldn't have armor repair bonuses. They need to either make the generic bonuses more race neutral, or just have 2 racial bonuses for each suit type. Personally I would do something like this Generic logi bonus= repairers (the kind you use on other players) and nanohives are 10% more effective per level. Generic assault bonus= light arms do 3% more damage per level Scout bonus is fine. They just need a bit more health, but not through a bonus. You want a damage bonus on a suit? then days later you'll be crying I was OHK by a pistol!!!!! NERF! Scouts are fine, they just need a pg/cpu buff, sorry you guys are bad and I don't know what it's like to play a shooter from that perspective and never will... Even video games, like most things in life require skill, rarely is that skill ever built from scratch years later in life, usually something done at a young age and perfected later in life. No matter how hard I try I probably will never dunk a basketball or manage to dance like chris brown, and you will always suck when it comes to online shooters, that's just the way **** works sometimes...
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:15:00 - [7] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: EVEry DUSTOID wrote: NovaSpree wrote: EVEry DUSTOID wrote: Also the caldari logi is one flux away from the weakest suit in the game, LEARN HOW TO PLAY, stop making excuses as to why your bad... Plenty of top players have chosen other suits besides the caldari logi, some imps respec'd out of it because the lack of side arm makes it tough, especially if you want to snipe or run with a weapon with low ammo. Actually in proposed set up said caldari logi still has 502 armor just 4 less than a heavy. Which by most accounts still puts it at higher tiers of HP. Hell they will still have as much HP as a fully tanked scout. Heavys have the superior weapons now, HMG is the best mid range run in the game now. Speed=health in this game Also the caldari logi has no side arm, let them waste their ammo and charge when they reload, it's quite simple really. Is everyone really that dumb on here? EVERYTHING has a COUNTER, you have to INVEST in that COUNTER, it's not just given to you like other games and until nerds like you realize that this game will continue to suck.... You are so right about speed, but then you are so wrong in so many other different ways I almost feel bad pointing it out. Your a bad player, that's why your in impswarm, no offense. You don't know what your talking about...
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:24:00 - [8] - Quote Again to counter another point only the tar have been recently nerfed the full auto ARs which you claim supremacy have been untouched. SCR 3586 damage per clip again cementing that Damage per clip is not clear cut better than dps. I agree with iffy hit detection but I cannot fairly calculate an efficiency value on weapons due to the hit detection being random thus I did not bring it to point.[/quote] It totally is, when you take DPS and include the ammo pools your not accounting for reload times and shield recharge/shield recharge on depletion. So not having to reload is a HUGE advantage in this game.... All the AR's have been nerfed in uprising, the range is completely removed from the previous builds.... All the AR's at one point in the game ALL had SCOPES, just 2 of them do now... Why? because forum nerds..... The Credron Breach was once a Viable gun, but was destroyed long ago... Their really is no point in getting good with any gun in this game because eventually it will see the same fate as players don't know the difference between a well made gun and something that is OP. Things that are OP don't have counters, that's what makes them game breaking.. TAC AR lost at range to any decent sniper and was bested in CQC by any decent heavy or shotgunner. It's not my job or anyone else's really to point out counters for you, that's my advantage for you to remain clueless and continually get owned by me, but that's not allowed to happen anymore as simply being better is too much to admit for a reason as to why i'm alive and your dead.
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:39:00 - [9] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: LOLOK Fret not this troll (if I'm using this correctly) is merely taking pot shots at you due the veracity of his statements falling lax, and is on an aggrandizing rant to up some inflated sense of pride for a video game while I merely go on a statistical analysis of possible load outs. He's right I'm a nerd.[/quote] Or I'm in the same alliance as him and have witnessed him play multiple times... You can analyze all you want, numbers don't equal gameplay, this isn't EVE.
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:07:00 - [10] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Quote: TAC AR lost at range to any decent sniper and was bested in CQC by any decent heavy or shotgunner. This is a load of crap. A heavy could open fire from behind me, I could spin around and drop him with a Tac AR no prob. I still had enough ammo to kill his logi and an unfortunate red dot that was meandering off in the background. You still have to look at the competition and the gear used against you, considering your corp doesn't even play competitively, your opinions and your opponents are quite irrelevant. Because you wouldn't turn on any of the players that were any decent, and I have video proof to the contrary so really your text means nothing... Try hitting a logi shield/speed stacked shot gunner with a TAC before he kills your corp member while he's trying to hack a point

EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:21:00 - [11] - Quote You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play. No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you. The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot.[/quote] TheMarkOf22, What's the best mid range weapon then? The HMG out ranges the Full Auto AR's
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:27:00 - [12] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: EVEry DUSTOID wrote: You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play. No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you. The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot. TheMarkOf22, What's the best mid range weapon then? The HMG out ranges the Full Auto AR's Oh now your just confused, I feel bad either your dyslexic or cannot identify numbers. Sorry [/quote] Is that really the wittiest thing you could think up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt5neL-7zC8
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:33:00 - [13] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even... I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. Try playing the game. How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me?