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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:

Panther Alpha wrote:

Ignatius Crumwald wrote:

EVEry DUSTOID wrote:

NovaSpree wrote:

LOLOK

Fret not this troll (if I'm using this correctly) is merely taking pot shots at you due the veracity of his statements falling lax, and is on an aggrandizing rant to up some inflated sense of pride for a video game while I merely go on a statistical analysis of possible load outs. He's right I'm a nerd.

Or I'm in the same alliance as him and have witnessed him play multiple times...

You can analyze all you want, numbers don't equal gameplay, this isn't EVE.

You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play.

No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you.

The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot.

Is the best close to mid range weapon.. with the current weapons range. You see.. CCP nerfed the range of all the weapons to MID range. Only the sniper rifle is actually LONG range.

It's not, the DPS is lower across the board. The only thing the HMG has going for it is the health of the user.

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EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:21:00 - [61] - Quote You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play. No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you. The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot.[/quote] TheMarkOf22, What's the best mid range weapon then? The HMG out ranges the Full Auto AR's
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 266	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:22:00 - [62] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Quote: TAC AR lost at range to any decent sniper and was bested in CQC by any decent heavy or shotgunner. This is a load of crap. A heavy could open fire from behind me, I could spin around and drop him with a Tac AR no prob. I still had enough ammo to kill his logi and an unfortunate red dot that was meandering off in the background. It seems you missed the keyword that being "Decent" Way too many terrible players in this game
NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:24:00 - [63] - Quote All joking aside if you talking 1-50m for medium I'd go full auto ar anyday maybe scramble rifle unless their Minmatar speed tanking then ill just spam some grenades and suicide with honor.
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 552	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:24:00 - [64] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: EVEry DUSTOID wrote: NovaSpree wrote: LOLOK Fret not this troll (if I'm using this correctly) is merely taking pot shots at you due the veracity of his statements falling lax, and is on an aggrandizing rant to up some inflated sense of pride for a video game while I merely go on a statistical analysis of possible load outs. He's right I'm a nerd. Or I'm in the same alliance as him and have witnessed him play multiple times... You can analyze all you want, numbers don't equal gameplay, this isn't EVE. You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play. No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you. The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot. Is the best close to mid range weapon.. with the current weapons range. You see.. CCP nerfed the range of all the weapons to MID range. Only the sniper rifle is actually LONG range. It's not, the DPS is lower across the board. The only thing the HMG has going for it is the health of the user.
NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:25:00 - [65] - Quote EVEry DUSTOID wrote: You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play. No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you. The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot. TheMarkOf22, What's the best mid range weapon then? The HMG out ranges the Full Auto AR's[/quote] Oh now your just confused, I feel bad either your dyslexic or cannot identify numbers. Sorry
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:27:00 - [66] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: EVEry DUSTOID wrote: You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play. No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you. The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot. TheMarkOf22, What's the best mid range weapon then? The HMG out ranges the Full Auto AR's Oh now your just confused, I feel bad either your dyslexic or cannot identify numbers. Sorry [/quote] Is that really the wittiest thing you could think up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt5neL-7zC8
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 458	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:27:00 - [67] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: EVEry DUSTOID wrote: NovaSpree wrote: LOLOK Fret not this troll (if I'm using this correctly) is merely taking pot shots at you due the veracity of his statements falling lax, and is on an aggrandizing rant to up some inflated sense of pride for a video game while I merely go on a statistical analysis of possible load outs. He's right I'm a nerd. Or I'm in the same alliance as him and have witnessed him play multiple times... You can analyze all you want, numbers don't equal gameplay, this isn't EVE. You've never actually witnessed me play then. You've seen me effing around in cheap suits since I came back, but you've never seen me actually play. No offense, but unless you are Proto or Omni behind that alt, chances are I'd flat out destroy you. The HMG is not the best mid range weapon - that's damn near the most ******** thing I've ever read and you're an idiot. Is the best close to mid range weapon.. with the current weapons range. You see.. CCP nerfed the range of all the weapons to MID range. Only the sniper rifle is actually LONG range. It's not, the DPS is lower across the board. The only thing the HMG has going for it is the health of the user. Seriously .... you need to learn to use the HMG a bit better.. maybe ask someone that actually KNOWS how to use it.
NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:28:00 - [68] - Quote "It's not, the DPS is lower across the board. The only thing the HMG has going for it is the health of the user." At which the caldari logi chuckles.
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 552	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:29:00 - [69] - Quote The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even... I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR.
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 108	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:33:00 - [70] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even... I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. Try playing the game. How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me?

NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:34:00 - [71] - Quote Yes the dps is good but only at about 15-20 yds tops because of dispersion and the recoil which gets quite nice the longer you fire. This is of course coming from BF3 where the damn famas fired like a burning mule on speed. The full auto ar fire nice and clean beyond that with consultancy and little recoil. I know k/d doesn't matter but mine is a 3.14 or 3.15 and I only use a heavy mostly with a HMG sometimes with forge gun.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 458	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:36:00 - [72] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even... I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. So.. ? you still can kill me .. I can kill you with a Semi-automatic Machine Gun, i will just take me longer to do it, than with a Heavy Machine Gun. See what i did there ?
NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:37:00 - [73] - Quote EVEry DUSTOID wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even... I mean, I'll totally ***** kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. Try playing the game. How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me? You were high on ** after injecting nearly lethal amounts of crack ***** and are in a comatose state where your mind went back to chromosome and the heavy had Ss 5 and you had a regular assualt rifle no Ss skill.
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 553	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:39:00 - [74] - Quote EVEry DUSTOID wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even... I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. Try playing the game. How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me? Maybe he was using the Burst, which is more LOL than the laser rifle.
NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:40:00 - [75] - Quote Actually HMG has higher dps than duvolle its just at range (20m)not all rounds hit and they start doing the damage of sneezing kittens While the good ol' duvolle keeps right on steady with its damage.
NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:43:00 - [76] - Quote Burst is lol like trying to use a sniper as a shotgun. He could have been using an assualt HMG which is weak to say the least. Maybe you couldn't hit him cause you need to work on your aiming and get better
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 553	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:50:00 - [77] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: Actually HMG has higher dps than duvolle its just at range (20m)not all rounds hit and they start doing the damage of sneezing kittens While the good ol' duvolle keeps right on steady with its damage. Taking the negative efficiency vs. shields into account, no.
NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 1	Posted - 2013.06.08 12:03:00 - [78] - Quote Boundless 19.8 x33.3. 660Dps Duvolle. Can't remember exactly 39x12.5. 488 Apparently HMG are 95vs shield and 110vs armor AR s are 110vs shield and 90 vs armor HMG 35% more damage than AR AR 15% more effective against shield 20% less effective vs armor
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 553	Posted - 2013.06.08 12:16:00 - [79] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: Boundless 19.8 x33.3. 660Dps Duvolle. Can't remember exactly 39x12.5. 488 Apparently HMG are 95vs shield and 110vs armor AR s are 110vs shield and 90 vs armor HMG 35% more damage than AR AR 15% more effective against shield 20% less effective vs armor Hmm.... I'll have to take a look then, I thought Hybrid was the baseline with 100% for both with the deviations occurring in energy and Projectile ammo at +/- depending on the weapon. I just assumed they left it that way.
Novawolf McDustingham The514th The Official Mintchip Fanclub 177	Posted - 2013.06.08 12:18:00 - [80] - Quote EVEry DUSTOID wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even... I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. Try playing the game. How come i've stood at distance's where my full auto douv couldn't hit a heavy, yet he was able to still hit me? A remote explosive isn't an Assault Rifle...

NovaSpree Always playing to AFK 1	Posted - 2013.06.08 12:20:00 - [81] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 553	Posted - 2013.06.08 12:21:00 - [82] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: The HMG isn't longer range than the AR... I mean... I just... I don't even... I mean, I'll totally ******* kill you with an HMG, make no mistake. but I'll totally kill you faster with a Duvolle AR. So.. ? you still can kill me .. I can kill you with a Semi-automatic Machine Gun, i will just take me longer to do it, than with a Heavy Machine Gun. See what i did there ? I do, I see it. I can also put more head shots into you with an SMG and likely kill you quicker than I can with an HMG.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 397	Posted - 2013.06.08 13:15:00 - [83] - Quote CCP: "Balance? We don't need no stinkin' balance!"
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 166	Posted - 2013.06.08 13:39:00 - [84] - Quote EVEry DUSTOID wrote: All the AR's have been nerfed in uprising, the range is completely removed from the previous builds.... Well I want you to explain to me what was nerfed about the ARs in Uprising. Sharpshooter was retooled so that it no longer added range but it lowers dispersion, increasing accuracy. That is true for every weapon that still has the skill, HMG not being one of them. The Tac AR received a damage buff in uprising. The HMG received a massive damage nerf, a 10 meter range nerf and increase in dispersion. The damage nerf was buffed shortly after uprising launched because of feedback from the community. EVEry DUSTOID wrote: What's the best mid range weapon then? The HMG out ranges the Full Auto AR's What game are you playing? I use the HMG exclusively. I can tell you for a fact that ANY AR out-ranges EVERY HMG. Either you are trolling or you simply do not know what you are talking about.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 166	Posted - 2013.06.08 13:43:00 - [85] - Quote NovaSpree wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886 These stats here for the HMG are no longer accurate. I can't say for sure about the other weapons.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 39	Posted - 2013.06.08 14:38:00 - [86] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Said it before and Ill say it again, the only nerf logistics need is replacing the light weapon slot with a sidearm slot Do that and youll see people migrate away from it so they can actually use their favorite weapons Do that and Dust is dead logi is all purpose they do everything nothing wrong with logi's. I would love to see the logi role ecpand even further.


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