The problem with AV grenades is that they allow rock and scissors to become one. AV grenades are too powerful for what they give. Imagine a group of assaults simultaneously throwing basic AV grenades at a Madrugar. Those assaults sacrifice nothing and gain a strong AV advantage.

It's not only that people sometimes play the wrong role which is why they end up crying for nerfs, but the whole rock-paper-scissor thing is messed up.

Problem with this concept is that 90% of the players will be rock and nothing else, due to Dust's SP sinks and grind they won't be able to switch to paper or scissors. Thus the majority won't be able to effectively counter such tactics without sacrificing their specialization.

Everyone gets a free AV starter fit. I've used that to harass and kill dozens of vehicles.
Militia grade FGs are pretty good too and don't require much of a SP investment.

yep AV grenades are so powerful fully specced lav's can take 11 of them and keep on trucking >.>


I can fire my averagely specced swarm launchers all day and they don't even bother wiping the blood off their windshields to see what hit them.


seriously I get vehicle drivers never want their **** to die, but their is nothing wrong with av greandes, to any seriously specced vehicle driver they are a joke, that can easily be dodged but most decide to be stubborn about it and ty to tank 10+ of them.

Militia AV does **** against current LAV's.
My BPO LAV with BPO fittings and zero skills invested into vehicles doesn't get scratched by militia AV.

The problem is that in this case the paper is free, the scissors are not.

The problem is that in this case the paper is free, the scissors are not.

The problem with AV grenades is that they allow rock and scissors to become one. AV grenades are too powerful for what they give. Imagine a group of assaults simultaneously throwing basic AV grenades at a Madrugar. Those assaults sacrifice nothing and gain a strong AV advantage.

It's not only that people sometimes play the wrong role which is why they end up crying for nerfs, but the whole rock-paper-scissor thing is messed up.

Problem with this concept is that 90% of the players will be rock and nothing else, due to Dust's SP sinks and grind they won't be able to switch to paper or scissors. Thus the majority won't be able to effectively counter such tactics without sacrificing their specialization.

So a proto AV taking 3-4 hits on a limbus is scissors?
What about my Ishukone Watch Saga that is permanent that can take three?

Or the same vehicle taking two proto swarms shots with 3x damage mods? (Tested with my friend)

Before the LAV buff, road killing wasn't a big deal because one AV or one Swarm could take out the free LAV's.
Not anymore.


This is where your entire argument falls apart and this is why your post is bad.

The problem is that LAVs are more powerful than they should be while HAVs are not quite as resilient as they should be. I think if CCP makes LAVs take something like 100% bonus damage from explosive and kinetic damage due to their light frames would fix the death taxi problem.

Before the LAV buff, road killing wasn't a big deal because one AV or one Swarm could take out the free LAV's.

Before the LAV buff, the only people who ever rolled LAVs where new players who wanted to test a vehicle and didn't know how much they sucked.

I remember in beta I would hop in LAV's before I realised that 1 hit from a militia SL would take down all your shields and most your armor. That was unless you already had a bit of damage. Then you just straight up died.

So once I got that through my head I just stopped using them.

By extension AV was what you pulled if someone spawned a tank. With tanks being as expensive as they are you could go entire matches where nobody pulled a tank, and only 1-2 scrubs pull an LAV.

Now because people actually use vehicles, I can go entire matches in my AV suit. That is freaking awesome.

So what if someone who tanks their LAV can take a few hits? I use the terrain to my advantage so it isn't a big deal.

Now that I'm really getting into and starting to enjoy my AV roll. The rock crowd is crying "Take it back to rock, rock, rock!!!"

Screw that. Vehicles are a part of this game and people shouldn't be able to 1 shot them with weapons that lock on SUPER easy just because you don't like having to adapt.

Then make Plasma launchers a one shot against LAV's.

The problem with AV grenades is that they allow rock and scissors to become one. AV grenades are too powerful for what they give. Imagine a group of assaults simultaneously throwing basic AV grenades at a Madrugar. Those assaults sacrifice nothing and gain a strong AV advantage.

It's not only that people sometimes play the wrong role which is why they end up crying for nerfs, but the whole rock-paper-scissor thing is messed up.

The fit I'm mainly using is actually 75% rock 25% scissors.

Once I get the SP, I'll probably be able to do better AV

AV grenades have their place- losing a regular grenade can damage your AI potential

I know these two lovely girls that always ride HAV in every FPS game that has em. My "puma twins". heh. (Battlefield bad company 2 players would have probably played against them)

One drives the HAV. the other rides along. but carries AV and repair tool (if available). Both switch roles. They DON'T LOSE AGAINST OTHER HAV. It's takes a very concentrated effort to bring their HAV down.

ROCK, paper, scissors. Yes.

but if you hold the rock and paper. then that's a plus.