if the neg isk players relogged they got their isk back?

priceless XD

nothing like ruining your economy with glitches lol.

Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all.

Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all.

They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught.

They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place.

CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work.

If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit

Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on.

Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on.

Just because they cried loud enough, they're going to get free money but others won't?
Is this how you are going leave this?

Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on.

Yeah and people who used their money to buy clone packs to fight in a war that affects every PC corp doesn't set anyone back? It does.

Because of this, some corps have millions of extra ISK to fund PC, and some players have hundreds of tank and proto suits. Since I tried to play it smart and not act rashly, my corp is significantly poorer and I have many less fittings than I otherwise might have. Now we will have to play against those players who are much better equipped/funded. How is that not a punishment?

No no no no and no, the economy is still save by the reduction of salvaged items.

or maybe it's just a complot...you know when they said they are only doing a full reset when things go wrong?

Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on.

They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place.

CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work.

I'll admit it's not perfect but it's definitely better than having players sitting 200 million in the hole.

Either you are sitting REALLY good with assets or you are just stupid!!

is it a punishment for those who did the right thing. and don't give me they didn't go the to forum so was not informed they sent out in-game announcements on top of it saying they are going to remove the extra ISK and not to spend it because you will go negative and not just one announcement 3 different ones. then I demand that I get the extra 350mil ISK back that I did not touch because I know like everyone else that I should of not had.

That is a severe cognitive fallacy. Nothing more to say about it really. Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.

They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place.

CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work.

With this, the respec issues, & cluster problems earlier, maybe a blanket reset is on the cards so everyone can start a fresh.

Nope, if you get "free" money and don't try to find out were it came from before you spend it, then you should get punished. Ignorance does not justify anything, it does not protect you from the law, from deadly diseases, or from a glitch. If you don't bother to get informed, then that's your problem.

If a bank accidentally puts money in your account, then that's not your money, plain and simple. If you somehow get more money back from a tax return then you should have, then expect the IRS to come to your door.

People deserved their original punishment, whether they knew what was going on or not. If they felt it was injistified, then they should have filed a petition to get their assets liquidated.

That is a severe cognitive fallacy. Nothing more to say about it really. Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.

So? Our corp has individuals that were billionaires long before this mix up. People who could afford to attack you every day for a week out of pocket change. A few 100M here and there is literally nothing in the overall scheme of the economy. Also, you make more ISK if you don't lose.

And this is where we get into the significant difference in rules, morals and logic of a video game and those of real life.

Because I don't feel like typing much. Put simply, none of those exist in the virtual gaming environment. Are we done here?

you must be one of those that went its ok to spend all of the ISK, CCP will just reset me to zero and i'll just make that ISK later with player market. because I had extra ISK remove for nothing they have there ISK reset to zero for assets worth the ISK they should be negative for but are not. its like running hot checks and then going whoops you didn't know your not going to jail and you get to keep everything paid for with them, you think that's right?

Oh sure, lets use video game rules then. Those people decide to take advantage of a glitch instead of reporting it, therefore they should be banned.

Actually I lost 35M and didn't spend any of it. But I'm fine because I have enough to absorb that kind of hit. The new players who went -10's of M, the myriad that don't visit the forums at all, and the occasional severe case of negative several hundred million, some who spent the ISK, but more importantly some who didn't, are the people that I defend. The game is unplayable if you are negative and don't have the resources to get out.

Stop losing and you'll make more clones?

[quote=Noc Tempre]Yeah and people who used their money to buy clone packs to fight in a war that affects every PC corp doesn't set anyone back? It does.

^ This. I'm just getting back into the game and haven't rejoined a corp let alone get into PC, but this influx of ISK for only certain players/corps totally borks the system. Anyone who doesn't realize that is in denial or is lacking in the capacity to reason.

Although PC doesn't currently affect me, from a personal wallet standpoint, I feel like I should get some free funds out of this, just like those who abused the glitch. Before the glitch, I was at 136M. After the glitch, that shot up to 210M. I carried on as usual (i.e. I didn't go spend 100's of millions of ISK after noticing the glitch) and spent a few million on skill books and the like while I respec'ed. Yesterday, I logged back on and my wallet had 132M in it, which is back to where it should be. That would all be well and good if there weren't people out there that got 100's of Millions of bonus ISK by being reset to 0 after going 100's of millions into the red. Where is my bonus?

There is straight-forward, albeit not simple solution to all of this. Everything and everyone needs to be reset to the state it was in pre-downtime before the glitch, excluding SP, WP and Kills/Deaths. That means all ISK going back to what it was (player and corp wallets), any assets purchased since that time being repossessed (including genolution clone packs), all PC results being reverted.

Does that sound like a logistical nightmare for CCP? Hell yes. And they should get to enjoy spending their entire weekend sorting it all out as a reward for so royally effing up.

Not as hard as you think, just a matter of some basic database merging (if they're not doing DB backups at downtime, especially when changing something, then something is wrong; storage is dirt cheap.)

...crap.

Roll back the servers! Roll them back!

Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward.

.... to beta?

CCP, you told us we would have our ISK removed, many of us accepted it and we understood that our ISK would be in the negative if we spent it, I knew this, many people I know knew this and the ones that spent money understood they'd be negative and that it would take them a while to make money to get up to Positive numbers.

Yes we had a few ragers "AMAGAD I SPENT ALL THAT MONEY AND I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!1111!" and people who used this load of money to fund their Corps with enough money to continue buying Genolution packs in PC, making any economic warfare and attrition mean nothing. They got angry they were going to lose this advantage and cried.

We got our negative ISK and accepted it, but then found out that if we relogged, we'd have 0 ISK, meaning that you only got punished if you didn't spend the hundreds of millions that ISK that you got through a bug. I could've made sure I had 100s of tanks in my inventory, instead, I took the smart approach and didn't spent that much, I ended up in 46 Million ISK in debt, something I could eventually pay off with no issues. Everyone else that decided to spend between 200-500million, that they couldn't pay off for a long time, just got a get out of jail free card.

What the hell CCP?

Wow it is soooo joyfully fun to watch the babies laughing at everyone yesterday, now their balling louder than yesterdays babies.

Cry baby cry.

QQ all day

Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward.

The big pain point would be that it's not a straight up restore from DB backup. There are metrics that should not be reverted, like I mentioned (SP, WP, Kills, Deaths). That means the restore from backup would need to be done in piecemeal fashion. Depending on the quality of their DBAs and the tools they have to perform said backup restores, this may not add much of a challenge, but I hesitate to assume CCP has any clue what the eff they are doing.

Also, none of this would be an issue if we had the player market. Those that were put in the red after the ISK was taken away would simply have to turn to the player market and sell assets to get out of the debt they put themselves in. So.... where is the damn player market?

You are correct sir.

If I learned anything about Eve it is.....take the isk and run am I right? Yes.

So they fhuked up and the smart ones ran with the isk. Rewarded. Simple.

Keep crying, as you were the ones soooo happy yesterday, what happened baby did your sucker hit the ground?

If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent.

Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count.

They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan...

They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan...

They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan...

Sorry, Call of Halo kid, but risk-reward applies to gameplay mechanics, not deliberate and willful exploitation of an obvious bug, which is a bannable offense clearly listed in the TOS and EULA.

Don't worry too much about Noc, if you look over his posting history he basically wants this to be Call of Halo so he can faceroll until the next FoTM comes out and he moves on.

Some people went several hundred million in debt, and did not have several million in assets to liquidate. And even if they did donate to the corp (not all affected did) there is no guarantee the money would be returned. 0 isk is starting over, going broke. Negative isk is pure punishment which is wrong when CCP is at fault.

Dear players, at 11:00 UTC on the 28th of May, an issue occurred where some players were credited with ISK. As this ISK was an unintended error it was removed from the game as of 11:00 UTC on the 30th of May.

As a result of this issue a number of characters entered negative ISK balance due to over-spending. As a temporary measure we have now taken steps to revert affected characters back to 0 ISK in order to allow them to continue playing as normal

In the meantime we are working on a system to reclaim ISK from over-spending that will review player purchases and corp donation histories on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible.

While it may take some time to apply these changes we will contact affected users once we have rebalanced their ISK status to let them know that there should be no further adjustments.

As always players are welcome to contact CCP via our support system with any concerns they may have.
https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets/

On behalf of the DUST 514 team please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Why is everyone a cod halo kid? I am a bf3 and MAG player. Soo keep it up fanboi.

Gonna back that up with facts or just profess truth out of thin air? Are you a disciple of a god or other omniscient being?

Can anyone who went in debt confirm it was wiped. There is a whole lot of bickering over something claimed by op with nobody else supporting it. Please post if you were in debt and it was reset.

Sounds like the people who took advantage won't hold on to that 0 ISK reset AND get to keep their assets. Good.

Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83775

Can anyone who went in debt confirm it was wiped. There is a whole lot of bickering over something claimed by op with nobody else supporting it. Please post if you were in debt and it was reset.

Sounds like the people who took advantage won't hold on to that 0 ISK reset AND get to keep their assets. Good.

Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83775

Some people went several hundred million in debt, and did not have several million in assets to liquidate. And even if they did donate to the corp (not all affected did) there is no guarantee the money would be returned. 0 isk is starting over, going broke. Negative isk is pure punishment which is wrong when CCP is at fault.

Although this entire thing amuses me to no end, until CCP punishes idlers who effect the game much more adversely than a few hundred million ISK, I think this was sort of an empty gesture at punishment

Furthermore, I don't think CCP even intended to punish players, they just effed up, twice now, and put it off on the players.

I think it would be much more advantageous in the future if they simply made mistakes like this a part of an event or dropped some normally AUR items or specialist/Rares for huge ISK into the store to sink the ISK in the system. Maybe sell a Mordu's Grab bag that randomly generates loot from the already existing loot table with a guaranteed specialist weapon and a chance at a rare.

I can understand if this was an exploit that players took advantage of, but this was CCP's mistake all the way.

I did, your post history is right there for everyone to see.

so your in favor of bugging and glitching the game to help yourself out.

I will gladly err on the side of positive error when it comes to an entertainment medium.

Why yes, yes he is.

so the people who donated 400mil+ to the corp went negative then got reset then had their corp give them back the 400mil+ ISK is not a glitch and exploiting the system to get 3 or 4 times the amount of ISK without punishment is right and what everyone should of done is what your saving. so your in favor of bugging and glitching the game to help yourself out.

looks like just another reason why no one should spend money to keep the game alive.

So I'm confused about something: what the hell is the problem that's got everyone's panties in a twist?

So I'm confused about something: what the hell is the problem that's got everyone's panties in a twist?

CCP reset the negative balance players to 0 ISK so they can still enjoy playing as much as possible and sometime in the near future CCP will go through and look at each player individually to correct any mistake or remove assets from the player equal to the amount they were negative.

Exploit or not an exploit who gives a ****? Anybody that spent that money is an idiot. Either it was a small amount that suddenly appeared and you didn't notice in which case it won't be a big deal for you to pay it back. Or it was a huge amount (over 500,000,000 ISK for me, for example) and you spent it or donated it or whatever which means you're an idiot and I have no sympathy for you.

So can somebody tell me what's got everyone so pissed off? This kind of stuff might be slightly time consuming but CCP has a record of everything so being able to see exactly what happened and where the money went is simple. What's the problem?

Crybabies in the thread.

Smells like CCP is trying to setup an explanation as to why they are going to have to do a complete reset.

Those who went negative and are now being rewarded, should have all their assets and salvage wiped, regardless of how much they over-spent.


Either that or CCP should force them to use nothing but unmodified starter fits for the next two weeks (minimum of 2 hours a day playing, otherwise the day won't count towards the two weeks). Any ISK gained through matches will be taxed 100%. After the players two week 2 hours a day minimum probationary period, they will be allowed to use their assets but still start off at 0 ISK.

CCP, you told us we would have our ISK removed, many of us accepted it and we understood that our ISK would be in the negative if we spent it, I knew this, many people I know knew this and the ones that spent money understood they'd be negative and that it would take them a while to make money to get up to Positive numbers.

Yes we had a few ragers "AMAGAD I SPENT ALL THAT MONEY AND I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!1111!" and people who used this load of money to fund their Corps with enough money to continue buying Genolution packs in PC, making any economic warfare and attrition mean nothing. They got angry they were going to lose this advantage and cried.

We got our negative ISK and accepted it, but then found out that if we relogged, we'd have 0 ISK, meaning that you only got punished if you didn't spend the hundreds of millions that ISK that you got through a bug. I could've made sure I had 100s of tanks in my inventory, instead, I took the smart approach and didn't spent that much, I ended up in 46 Million ISK in debt, something I could eventually pay off with no issues. Everyone else that decided to spend between 200-500million, that they couldn't pay off for a long time, just got a get out of jail free card.

What the hell CCP?

Those who went negative and are now being rewarded, should have all their assets and salvage wiped, regardless of how much they over-spent.


Either that or CCP should force them to use nothing but unmodified starter fits for the next two weeks (minimum of 2 hours a day playing, otherwise the day won't count towards the two weeks). Any ISK gained through matches will be taxed 100%. After the players two week 2 hours a day minimum probationary period, they will be allowed to use their assets but still start off at 0 ISK.

Haha, foolish.

Why do you think the bailout happened? Crying Scammers. So if people want to stand up and post about this, then they will. CCP has seen the legit complaints about caving to those who obviously got rid of the dirty isk quick. No amount of your trolling can change that.