That is a severe cognitive fallacy. Nothing more to say about it really. Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.

They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place.

CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work.

With this, the respec issues, & cluster problems earlier, maybe a blanket reset is on the cards so everyone can start a fresh.

Nope, if you get "free" money and don't try to find out were it came from before you spend it, then you should get punished. Ignorance does not justify anything, it does not protect you from the law, from deadly diseases, or from a glitch. If you don't bother to get informed, then that's your problem.

If a bank accidentally puts money in your account, then that's not your money, plain and simple. If you somehow get more money back from a tax return then you should have, then expect the IRS to come to your door.

People deserved their original punishment, whether they knew what was going on or not. If they felt it was injistified, then they should have filed a petition to get their assets liquidated.

That is a severe cognitive fallacy. Nothing more to say about it really. Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.

So? Our corp has individuals that were billionaires long before this mix up. People who could afford to attack you every day for a week out of pocket change. A few 100M here and there is literally nothing in the overall scheme of the economy. Also, you make more ISK if you don't lose.

And this is where we get into the significant difference in rules, morals and logic of a video game and those of real life.

Because I don't feel like typing much. Put simply, none of those exist in the virtual gaming environment. Are we done here?

you must be one of those that went its ok to spend all of the ISK, CCP will just reset me to zero and i'll just make that ISK later with player market. because I had extra ISK remove for nothing they have there ISK reset to zero for assets worth the ISK they should be negative for but are not. its like running hot checks and then going whoops you didn't know your not going to jail and you get to keep everything paid for with them, you think that's right?

Oh sure, lets use video game rules then. Those people decide to take advantage of a glitch instead of reporting it, therefore they should be banned.

Actually I lost 35M and didn't spend any of it. But I'm fine because I have enough to absorb that kind of hit. The new players who went -10's of M, the myriad that don't visit the forums at all, and the occasional severe case of negative several hundred million, some who spent the ISK, but more importantly some who didn't, are the people that I defend. The game is unplayable if you are negative and don't have the resources to get out.

Stop losing and you'll make more clones?

[quote=Noc Tempre]Yeah and people who used their money to buy clone packs to fight in a war that affects every PC corp doesn't set anyone back? It does.

^ This. I'm just getting back into the game and haven't rejoined a corp let alone get into PC, but this influx of ISK for only certain players/corps totally borks the system. Anyone who doesn't realize that is in denial or is lacking in the capacity to reason.

Although PC doesn't currently affect me, from a personal wallet standpoint, I feel like I should get some free funds out of this, just like those who abused the glitch. Before the glitch, I was at 136M. After the glitch, that shot up to 210M. I carried on as usual (i.e. I didn't go spend 100's of millions of ISK after noticing the glitch) and spent a few million on skill books and the like while I respec'ed. Yesterday, I logged back on and my wallet had 132M in it, which is back to where it should be. That would all be well and good if there weren't people out there that got 100's of Millions of bonus ISK by being reset to 0 after going 100's of millions into the red. Where is my bonus?

There is straight-forward, albeit not simple solution to all of this. Everything and everyone needs to be reset to the state it was in pre-downtime before the glitch, excluding SP, WP and Kills/Deaths. That means all ISK going back to what it was (player and corp wallets), any assets purchased since that time being repossessed (including genolution clone packs), all PC results being reverted.

Does that sound like a logistical nightmare for CCP? Hell yes. And they should get to enjoy spending their entire weekend sorting it all out as a reward for so royally effing up.

Not as hard as you think, just a matter of some basic database merging (if they're not doing DB backups at downtime, especially when changing something, then something is wrong; storage is dirt cheap.)

...crap.

Roll back the servers! Roll them back!

Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward.

.... to beta?

CCP, you told us we would have our ISK removed, many of us accepted it and we understood that our ISK would be in the negative if we spent it, I knew this, many people I know knew this and the ones that spent money understood they'd be negative and that it would take them a while to make money to get up to Positive numbers.

Yes we had a few ragers "AMAGAD I SPENT ALL THAT MONEY AND I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!1111!" and people who used this load of money to fund their Corps with enough money to continue buying Genolution packs in PC, making any economic warfare and attrition mean nothing. They got angry they were going to lose this advantage and cried.

We got our negative ISK and accepted it, but then found out that if we relogged, we'd have 0 ISK, meaning that you only got punished if you didn't spend the hundreds of millions that ISK that you got through a bug. I could've made sure I had 100s of tanks in my inventory, instead, I took the smart approach and didn't spent that much, I ended up in 46 Million ISK in debt, something I could eventually pay off with no issues. Everyone else that decided to spend between 200-500million, that they couldn't pay off for a long time, just got a get out of jail free card.

What the hell CCP?

Wow it is soooo joyfully fun to watch the babies laughing at everyone yesterday, now their balling louder than yesterdays babies.

Cry baby cry.

QQ all day

Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward.

The big pain point would be that it's not a straight up restore from DB backup. There are metrics that should not be reverted, like I mentioned (SP, WP, Kills, Deaths). That means the restore from backup would need to be done in piecemeal fashion. Depending on the quality of their DBAs and the tools they have to perform said backup restores, this may not add much of a challenge, but I hesitate to assume CCP has any clue what the eff they are doing.

Also, none of this would be an issue if we had the player market. Those that were put in the red after the ISK was taken away would simply have to turn to the player market and sell assets to get out of the debt they put themselves in. So.... where is the damn player market?