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Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:26:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all. They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught. They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place. CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work.
Nope if you get "free" money and don't try to find out were it came from before you spend it, then you should get punished. Ignorance does not justify anything, it does not protect you from the law, from deadly diseases, or from a glitch.
If a bank accidentally puts money in your account, then that's not your money, plain and simple.
People deserved their original punishment, whether they knew what was going on or not. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:28:00 -
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hamr0310 wrote:Either you are sitting REALLY good with assets or you are just stupid!!
Probably both. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:33:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:ladwar wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on. is it a punishment for those who did the right thing. and don't give me they didn't go the to forum so was not informed they sent out in-game announcements on top of it saying they are going to remove the extra ISK and not to spend it because you will go negative and not just one announcement 3 different ones. then I demand that I get the extra 350mil ISK back that I did not touch because I know like everyone else that I should of not had. That is a severe cognitive fallacy. Nothing more to say about it really. Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.
While no one should be punished for a glitch, no one should profit from one either. And no, getting put in the red is not a punishment, you still have the isk as assets.
Losing more money than what was gained is different though, and that is a punishment. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:35:00 -
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Bucktooth Badger wrote:
With this, the respec issues, & cluster problems earlier, maybe a blanket reset is on the cards so everyone can start a fresh.
...crap.
Roll back the servers! Roll them back! |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:39:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Alina Heart wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all. They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught. They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place. CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work. Nope, if you get "free" money and don't try to find out were it came from before you spend it, then you should get punished. Ignorance does not justify anything, it does not protect you from the law, from deadly diseases, or from a glitch. If you don't bother to get informed, then that's your problem. If a bank accidentally puts money in your account, then that's not your money, plain and simple. If you somehow get more money back from a tax return then you should have, then expect the IRS to come to your door. People deserved their original punishment, whether they knew what was going on or not. If they felt it was injistified, then they should have filed a petition to get their assets liquidated. And this is where we get into the significant difference in rules, morals and logic of a video game and those of real life. Because I don't feel like typing much. Put simply, none of those exist in the virtual gaming environment. Are we done here?
Oh sure, lets use video game rules then. Those people decide to take advantage of a glitch, instead of reporting it; therefore, they should get banned.  |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:49:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:
Actually I lost 35M and didn't spend any of it. But I'm fine because I have enough to absorb that kind of hit. The new players who went -10's of M, the myriad that don't visit the forums at all, and the occasional severe case of negative several hundred million, some who spent the ISK, but more importantly some who didn't, are the people that I defend. The game is unplayable if you are negative and don't have the resources to get out.
That's a completely different situation, and those people should file a petition.
If I have 3 mill, gain 3 mill from the glitch, then get 9 mill taken away leaving me at -3mill, then getting put back at 0 fixes nothing, I'm still down 3 mill here. Those people were punished for a glitch. The people we're talking about were not. It's completely differen't, stop pretending otherwise. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:04:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward.
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:06:00 -
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Bucktooth Badger wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:
...crap.
Roll back the servers! Roll them back!
.... to beta? 
To alpha  |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:17:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:CCP, you told us we would have our ISK removed, many of us accepted it and we understood that our ISK would be in the negative if we spent it, I knew this, many people I know knew this and the ones that spent money understood they'd be negative and that it would take them a while to make money to get up to Positive numbers.
Yes we had a few ragers "AMAGAD I SPENT ALL THAT MONEY AND I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!1111!" and people who used this load of money to fund their Corps with enough money to continue buying Genolution packs in PC, making any economic warfare and attrition mean nothing. They got angry they were going to lose this advantage and cried.
We got our negative ISK and accepted it, but then found out that if we relogged, we'd have 0 ISK, meaning that you only got punished if you didn't spend the hundreds of millions that ISK that you got through a bug. I could've made sure I had 100s of tanks in my inventory, instead, I took the smart approach and didn't spent that much, I ended up in 46 Million ISK in debt, something I could eventually pay off with no issues. Everyone else that decided to spend between 200-500million, that they couldn't pay off for a long time, just got a get out of jail free card.
What the hell CCP? Wow it is soooo joyfully fun to watch the babies laughing at everyone yesterday, now their balling louder than yesterdays babies. Cry baby cry. QQ all day
How is he crying louder? The things he's saying actually make sense |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:40:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan...
It's not good enough for Noc because ignorant people are ignorant |
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Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:43:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... Some people went several hundred million in debt, and did not have several million in assets to liquidate. And even if they did donate to the corp (not all affected did) there is no guarantee the money would be returned. 0 isk is starting over, going broke. Negative isk is pure punishment which is wrong when CCP is at fault.
It's not a punishment, they were simply equalized with everyone else. And if your corp won't give you back the money, then that's your problem. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:06:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Although this entire thing amuses me to no end, until CCP punishes idlers who effect the game much more adversely than a few hundred million ISK, I think this was sort of an empty gesture at punishment
Furthermore, I don't think CCP even intended to punish players, they just effed up, twice now, and put it off on the players.
I think it would be much more advantageous in the future if they simply made mistakes like this a part of an event or dropped some normally AUR items or specialist/Rares for huge ISK into the store to sink the ISK in the system. Maybe sell a Mordu's Grab bag that randomly generates loot from the already existing loot table with a guaranteed specialist weapon and a chance at a rare.
I can understand if this was an exploit that players took advantage of, but this was CCP's mistake all the way.
A mistake players took advantage of, that's an exploit. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:09:00 -
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ladwar wrote:so your in favor of bugging and glitching the game to help yourself out.
Noc Tempre wrote:I will gladly err on the side of positive error when it comes to an entertainment medium.
Why yes, yes he is. |
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Posted - 2013.06.01 07:36:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Big miku wrote:Crybabies in the thread. Haha, foolish. Why do you think the bailout happened? Crying Scammers. So if people want to stand up and post about this, then they will. CCP has seen the legit complaints about caving to those who obviously got rid of the dirty isk quick. No amount of your trolling can change that.
It's only QQ if it's ain't coming from him |
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