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Geirskoegul
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:00:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all.
They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:34:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all. They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught. They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place. CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work.
When you see far more money than you should appear out of nowhere, and you don't think "this is a bug" and instead think "i'm gonna spend it RIGHT NOW before they take it back, yeah, you knew it was wrong, you cheated, and you deserve what you get.
The mere fact of the stockpiling shows right away that they knew it was a mistake, and also that they knew it would likely be corrected. There is literally no way to defend the cheaters that willfully attempted to exploit this situation. They deserve to be punished, and should be glad they weren't banned outright (as they could be, for willful exploitation; CCP officially has a zero-tolerance policy for failure to report something like this and instead take advantage, even in the name of "testing").
They cheated, they were punished, and now they're exploiting another bug to avoid the consequences of their cheating. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:45:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Alina Heart wrote:
And this is where we get into the significant difference in rules, morals and logic of a video game and those of real life.
Because I don't feel like typing much. Put simply, none of those exist in the virtual gaming environment. Are we done here?
Oh sure, lets use video game rules then. Those people decide to take advantage of a glitch instead of reporting it, therefore they should be banned. 
It's called "Halo Logic," it's the same argument used by and to defend wallhackers, super-bouncers, and sword-teleporters: it was there, so therefor it was intentionally put there for the "good" players to take advantage of. I wish I were making this up, but i've seen the exact argument used and the people using it actually believe it. |
Geirskoegul
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:57:00 -
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BGoat wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:[quote=Noc Tempre]Yeah and people who used their money to buy clone packs to fight in a war that affects every PC corp doesn't set anyone back? It does. ^ This. I'm just getting back into the game and haven't rejoined a corp let alone get into PC, but this influx of ISK for only certain players/corps totally borks the system. Anyone who doesn't realize that is in denial or is lacking in the capacity to reason. Although PC doesn't currently affect me, from a personal wallet standpoint, I feel like I should get some free funds out of this, just like those who abused the glitch. Before the glitch, I was at 136M. After the glitch, that shot up to 210M. I carried on as usual (i.e. I didn't go spend 100's of millions of ISK after noticing the glitch) and spent a few million on skill books and the like while I respec'ed. Yesterday, I logged back on and my wallet had 132M in it, which is back to where it should be. That would all be well and good if there weren't people out there that got 100's of Millions of bonus ISK by being reset to 0 after going 100's of millions into the red. Where is my bonus? There is straight-forward, albeit not simple solution to all of this. Everything and everyone needs to be reset to the state it was in pre-downtime before the glitch, excluding SP, WP and Kills/Deaths. That means all ISK going back to what it was (player and corp wallets), any assets purchased since that time being repossessed (including genolution clone packs), all PC results being reverted. Does that sound like a logistical nightmare for CCP? Hell yes. And they should get to enjoy spending their entire weekend sorting it all out as a reward for so royally effing up.
Not as hard as you think, just a matter of some basic database merging (if they're not doing DB backups at downtime, especially when changing something, then something is wrong; storage is dirt cheap.) |
Geirskoegul
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:20:00 -
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BGoat wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:BGoat wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:[quote=Noc Tempre]Yeah and people who used their money to buy clone packs to fight in a war that affects every PC corp doesn't set anyone back? It does. ^ This. I'm just getting back into the game and haven't rejoined a corp let alone get into PC, but this influx of ISK for only certain players/corps totally borks the system. Anyone who doesn't realize that is in denial or is lacking in the capacity to reason. Although PC doesn't currently affect me, from a personal wallet standpoint, I feel like I should get some free funds out of this, just like those who abused the glitch. Before the glitch, I was at 136M. After the glitch, that shot up to 210M. I carried on as usual (i.e. I didn't go spend 100's of millions of ISK after noticing the glitch) and spent a few million on skill books and the like while I respec'ed. Yesterday, I logged back on and my wallet had 132M in it, which is back to where it should be. That would all be well and good if there weren't people out there that got 100's of Millions of bonus ISK by being reset to 0 after going 100's of millions into the red. Where is my bonus? There is straight-forward, albeit not simple solution to all of this. Everything and everyone needs to be reset to the state it was in pre-downtime before the glitch, excluding SP, WP and Kills/Deaths. That means all ISK going back to what it was (player and corp wallets), any assets purchased since that time being repossessed (including genolution clone packs), all PC results being reverted. Does that sound like a logistical nightmare for CCP? Hell yes. And they should get to enjoy spending their entire weekend sorting it all out as a reward for so royally effing up. Not as hard as you think, just a matter of some basic database merging (if they're not doing DB backups at downtime, especially when changing something, then something is wrong; storage is dirt cheap.) The big pain point would be that it's not a straight up restore from DB backup. There are metrics that should not be reverted, like I mentioned (SP, WP, Kills, Deaths). That means the restore from backup would need to be done in piecemeal fashion. Depending on the quality of their DBAs and the tools they have to perform said backup restores, this may not add much of a challenge, but I hesitate to assume CCP has any clue what the eff they are doing. Also, none of this would be an issue if we had the player market. Those that were put in the red after the ISK was taken away would simply have to turn to the player market and sell assets to get out of the debt they put themselves in. So.... where is the damn player market?
I don't know SQL well enough to be a sarcastic ******* and just post the specific queries needed to do exactly that, but I do know enough about programming and databases to know that it really is relatively simple to take DB1 and tell it to import from DB2 and overwrite the values in collumns x, y, and z. |
Geirskoegul
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:22:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward. You are correct sir. If I learned anything about Eve it is.....take the isk and run am I right? Yes. So they fhuked up and the smart ones ran with the isk. Rewarded. Simple. Keep crying, as you were the ones soooo happy yesterday, what happened baby did your sucker hit the ground?
Sorry, Call of Halo kid, but risk-reward applies to gameplay mechanics, not deliberate and willful exploitation of an obvious bug, which is a bannable offense clearly listed in the TOS and EULA. |
Geirskoegul
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:41:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan...
Don't worry too much about Noc, if you look over his posting history he basically wants this to be Call of Halo so he can faceroll until the next FoTM comes out and he moves on. |
Geirskoegul
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:47:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Bling Blaine wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward. You are correct sir. If I learned anything about Eve it is.....take the isk and run am I right? Yes. So they fhuked up and the smart ones ran with the isk. Rewarded. Simple. Keep crying, as you were the ones soooo happy yesterday, what happened baby did your sucker hit the ground? Sorry, Call of Halo kid, but risk-reward applies to gameplay mechanics, not deliberate and willful exploitation of an obvious bug, which is a bannable offense clearly listed in the TOS and EULA. Why is everyone a cod halo kid? I am a bf3 and MAG player. Soo keep it up fanboi.
Not everyone, just that your justification for exploiting bugs is most common in Halo, it was a safe assumption (just like leading a question with "so my friend" makes assuming you mean yourself a safe assumption). |
Geirskoegul
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:48:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... Don't worry too much about Noc, if you look over his posting history he basically wants this to be Call of Halo so he can faceroll until the next FoTM comes out and he moves on. Gonna back that up with facts or just profess truth out of thin air? Are you a disciple of a god or other omniscient being?
I did, your post history is right there for everyone to see. |
Geirskoegul
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:51:00 -
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The Red Dead wrote:Can anyone who went in debt confirm it was wiped. There is a whole lot of bickering over something claimed by op with nobody else supporting it. Please post if you were in debt and it was reset.
If they've read this thread it's unlikely they'd want to call attention to the fact that they willfully exploited the bug and then another bug negated their punishment.
That said, as you imply, the OP could simply be making it up to troll. That doesn't diminish the point though, that these issues need to be investigated and punished accordingly when exploited. |
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