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Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1484	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:28:00 - [1] - Quote CCP, you told us we would have our ISK removed, many of us accepted it and we understood that our ISK would be in the negative if we spent it, I knew this, many people I know knew this and the ones that spent money understood they'd be negative and that it would take them a while to make money to get up to Positive numbers. Yes we had a few ragers "AMAGAD I SPENT ALL THAT MONEY AND I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!1111!" and people who used this load of money to fund their Corps with enough money to continue buying Genolution packs in PC, making any economic warfare and attrition mean nothing. They got angry they were going to lose this advantage and cried. We got our negative ISK and accepted it, but then found out that if we relogged, we'd have 0 ISK, meaning that you only got punished if you didn't spend the hundreds of millions that ISK that you got through a bug. I could've made sure I had 100s of tanks in my inventory, instead, I took the smart approach and didn't spent that much, I ended up in 46 Million ISK in debt, something I could eventually pay off with no issues. Everyone else that decided to spend between 200-500million, that they couldn't pay off for a long time, just got a get out of jail free card. What the hell CCP?
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 70	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:33:00 - [2] - Quote Source on your claim? The only way to get back your money is to file a ticket and exchange your bought assets for ISK return.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 154	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:37:00 - [3] - Quote It is CCP false flag terrorism.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1484	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:38:00 - [4] - Quote Source? I had -46 Million ISK, I relogged and had 0 ISK, same with everyone else on my comms, everyone that had negative ISK and relogged now has 0 ISK and earning money.
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Unclaimed. 446	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:39:00 - [5] - Quote I was 200 mill in the hole, and was looking forward to AFK'ing and murder taxiing my way back to the black. Now I am pretty sure that CCP is going to take away my Hacked AV grenades in exchange, and that kind of sucks. I would rather be 200 mill in the hole than have them take my inventory. But, having a zero balance while they figure it out isn't the worse thing in the world.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 178	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:40:00 - [6] - Quote if the neg isk players relogged they got their isk back? priceless XD nothing like ruining your economy with glitches lol.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 31	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:48:00 - [7] - Quote calisk galern wrote: if the neg isk players relogged they got their isk back? priceless XD nothing like ruining your economy with glitches lol. No no no no and no, the economy is still save by the reduction of salvaged items. or maybe it's just a complot...you know when they said they are only doing a full reset when things go wrong?
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 479	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:50:00 - [8] - Quote Well TBH I have not seen anything from CCP yet on the forums. Now a word of caution...read what I am about to write since the majority of ppl couldnt read yesterday. If you spent the ISK that you rcv'd from CCP and ended up being negative tons of millions because of it then you deserve what you got and you should not have had your ISK reset to 0. That being said there was also a HUGE issue yesterday with the change CCP made that was taking more money away from players than they had actually given. I know at least several of NF ppl did not spend a dime of their isk during this problem and they ended up having negative isk. Tell me how do you start by having a couple hundred million isk and then CCP gives you isk by mistake...so you choose not to spend any isk at all because you A) didnt log on or B) was worried about spending any amount of isk during this issue.....then when CCP takes away the isk they not only take what they accidentally gave you but also took enough of your isk away that your are -200 mill isk. That was a major issue yesterday with alot of ppl (even some newly created chars with only 700K isk) relogging on and finding that they are negative hundreds of millions of isk because CCP failed at basic arithmetic. There are several ppl who even have the proof in their wallet showing the initial amount CCP gave them and then the massively larger amount that CCP took away in the isk "fix". I see this in two way. Either CCP made this change as a temporary measure while they will be looking into the isk issue. Or CCP said screw it math iz hard and just put everyone who was negative isk to 0 and is saying tough luck if we took 200 mill from you at least you arent negative isk anymore.
StubbyDucky KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:51:00 - [9] - Quote So wait a minute. Are you telling me that all those people that took the monies and spent it all in gear now are not negative and got reset back to 0 ISK without getting their gear removed?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1815	Posted - 2013.05.31 16:55:00 - [10] - Quote Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all.

Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 203	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:00:00 - [11] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all. They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 188	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:02:00 - [12] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all. This, seriously you guys complain way too much. CCP did you all a favor, don't take it for granted.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 188	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:03:00 - [13] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all. They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught. They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place. CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1816	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:05:00 - [14] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all. They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught. They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place. CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work. In many cases, people were sent negative who didn't even spend the money. So this definitely needed to happen.
Aquinarius Zoltanus The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 84	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:07:00 - [15] - Quote If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1816	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:09:00 - [16] - Quote Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on.
StubbyDucky KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:13:00 - [17] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on. Ummm your limited survey don't mean sh*t buddy! This is complete fu#king garbage. Smells like CCP is trying to setup an explanation as to why they are going to have to do a complete reset.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 47	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:14:00 - [18] - Quote Just because they cried loud enough, they're going to get free money but others won't? Is this how you are going leave this?
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 47	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:15:00 - [19] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on. Yeah and people who used their money to buy clone packs to fight in a war that affects every PC corp doesn't set anyone back. It does.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 188	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:17:00 - [20] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just because they cried loud enough, they're going to get free money but others won't? Is this how you are going leave this? I'll admit it's not perfect but it's definitely better than having players sitting 200 million in the hole.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4158	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:17:00 - [21] - Quote I didn't need a respec, so I didn't request one. It would feel like I got screwed if CCP gives them back the money they shouldn't have had to begin with because it means I miss out on million of ISK for not being an idiot.
Aquinarius Zoltanus The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 84	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:18:00 - [22] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on. Because of this, some corps have millions of extra ISK to fund PC, and some players have hundreds of tank and proto suits. Since I tried to play it smart and not act rashly, my corp is significantly poorer and I have many less fittings than I otherwise might have. Now we will have to play against those players who are much better equipped/funded. How is that not a punishment?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1816	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:19:00 - [23] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on. Yeah and people who used their money to buy clone packs to fight in a war that affects every PC corp doesn't set anyone back? It does. Stop losing and you'll make more clones?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1816	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:21:00 - [24] - Quote Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on. Because of this, some corps have millions of extra ISK to fund PC, and some players have hundreds of tank and proto suits. Since I tried to play it smart and not act rashly, my corp is significantly poorer and I have many less fittings than I otherwise might have. Now we will have to play against those players who are much better equipped/funded. How is that not a punishment? So? Our corp has individuals that were billionaires long before this mix up. People who could afford to attack you every day for a week out of pocket change. A few 100M here and there is literally nothing in the overall scheme of the economy. Also, you make more ISK if you don't lose.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 347	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:24:00 - [25] - Quote RKKR wrote: calisk galern wrote: if the neg isk players relogged they got their isk back? priceless XD nothing like ruining your economy with glitches lol. No no no no and no, the economy is still save by the reduction of salvaged items. or maybe it's just a complot...you know when they said they are only doing a full reset when things go wrong? I still hoping ...a full reset will do this game alot of good.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 532	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:24:00 - [26] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on. is it a punishment for those who did the right thing. and don't give me they didn't go the to forum so was not informed they sent out in-game announcements on top of it saying they are going to remove the extra ISK and not to spend it because you will go negative and not just one announcement 3 different ones. then I demand that I get the extra 350mil ISK back that I did not touch because I know like everyone else that I should of not had.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1612	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:26:00 - [27] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Thank goodness someone wizened up Yes some people got some random free goodies, but thankfully no one is left in a state they are unable to play the game at all. They were able to play just fine, they just had to work off the penalty of willfully exploiting a gllitch (a bannable offense). If there's another bug resetting them to zero that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's not even about the illicit gains, really, but about teaching cheaters what happens when they get caught. They didn't cheat and never deserved to get punished in the first place. CCP gave them money, they spent it. Get over it, that's generally how things work. Nope if you get "free" money and don't try to find out were it came from before you spend it, then you should get punished. Ignorance does not justify anything, it does not protect you from the law, from deadly diseases, or from a glitch. If a bank accidentally puts money in your account, then that's not your money, plain and simple. People deserved their original punishment, whether they knew what was going on or not.
hamr0310 UNIFIED MERCS 2	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:26:00 - [28] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just because they cried loud enough, they're going to get free money but others won't? Is this how you are going leave this? I'll admit it's not perfect but it's definitely better than having players sitting 200 million in the hole. So how much did you spend? That is the ONLY possible reason you would believe this is a good idea. How can you possibly think that giving all those people that much of an advantage with suits, tanks, modules, etc... could be good for the game? Either you are sitting REALLY good with assets or you are just stupid!!
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1613	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:28:00 - [29] - Quote hamr0310 wrote: Either you are sitting REALLY good with assets or you are just stupid!! Probably both.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1817	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:31:00 - [30] - Quote ladwar wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: If this is true, then I am seriously pissed off. It feels like I'm getting punished for not going on a crazy spending spree like an idiot. But you're telling me if I had done that, I would've gotten to keep my extra ISK in the form of assest? Bullshit Someone else getting an undeserved gift does not mean you were punished. The people in the negative for malicious reasons appeared to be the minority in my limited survey. And the people who don't visit the forums would have no clue what is going on. is it a punishment for those who did the right thing. and don't give me they didn't go the to forum so was not informed they sent out in-game announcements on top of it saying they are going to remove the extra ISK and not to spend it because you will go negative and not just one announcement 3 different ones. then I demand that I get the extra 350mil ISK back that I did not touch because I know like everyone else that I should of not had. That is a severe cognitive fallacy. Nothing more to say about it really. Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.



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