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Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
207
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:22:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward. You are correct sir. If I learned anything about Eve it is.....take the isk and run am I right? Yes. So they fhuked up and the smart ones ran with the isk. Rewarded. Simple. Keep crying, as you were the ones soooo happy yesterday, what happened baby did your sucker hit the ground? Sorry, Call of Halo kid, but risk-reward applies to gameplay mechanics, not deliberate and willful exploitation of an obvious bug, which is a bannable offense clearly listed in the TOS and EULA. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
27
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:24:00 -
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If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1820
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:37:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent.
Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
93
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:39:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count.
They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1620
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:40:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... It's not good enough for Noc because ignorant people are ignorant |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1820
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:41:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan...
Some people went several hundred million in debt, and did not have several million in assets to liquidate. And even if they did donate to the corp (not all affected did) there is no guarantee the money would be returned. 0 isk is starting over, going broke. Negative isk is pure punishment which is wrong when CCP is at fault. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
210
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:41:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... Don't worry too much about Noc, if you look over his posting history he basically wants this to be Call of Halo so he can faceroll until the next FoTM comes out and he moves on. |
Bling Blaine
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
146
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:42:00 -
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Geirskoegul wrote:Bling Blaine wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward. You are correct sir. If I learned anything about Eve it is.....take the isk and run am I right? Yes. So they fhuked up and the smart ones ran with the isk. Rewarded. Simple. Keep crying, as you were the ones soooo happy yesterday, what happened baby did your sucker hit the ground? Sorry, Call of Halo kid, but risk-reward applies to gameplay mechanics, not deliberate and willful exploitation of an obvious bug, which is a bannable offense clearly listed in the TOS and EULA. Why is everyone a cod halo kid? I am a bf3 and MAG player. Soo keep it up fanboi. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1820
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:42:00 -
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Geirskoegul wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... Don't worry too much about Noc, if you look over his posting history he basically wants this to be Call of Halo so he can faceroll until the next FoTM comes out and he moves on.
Gonna back that up with facts or just profess truth out of thin air? Are you a disciple of a god or other omniscient being? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1620
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:43:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... Some people went several hundred million in debt, and did not have several million in assets to liquidate. And even if they did donate to the corp (not all affected did) there is no guarantee the money would be returned. 0 isk is starting over, going broke. Negative isk is pure punishment which is wrong when CCP is at fault. It's not a punishment, they were simply equalized with everyone else. And if your corp won't give you back the money, then that's your problem. |
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BGoat
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:46:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:Dear players, at 11:00 UTC on the 28th of May, an issue occurred where some players were credited with ISK. As this ISK was an unintended error it was removed from the game as of 11:00 UTC on the 30th of May. As a result of this issue a number of characters entered negative ISK balance due to over-spending. As a temporary measure we have now taken steps to revert affected characters back to 0 ISK in order to allow them to continue playing as normal In the meantime we are working on a system to reclaim ISK from over-spending that will review player purchases and corp donation histories on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible. While it may take some time to apply these changes we will contact affected users once we have rebalanced their ISK status to let them know that there should be no further adjustments. As always players are welcome to contact CCP via our support system with any concerns they may have. https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets/On behalf of the DUST 514 team please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.
Sounds like the people who took advantage won't hold on to that 0 ISK reset AND get to keep their assets. Good.
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83775 |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
210
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:47:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Bling Blaine wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Considering this game is risk verses reward thos of us who went on splurges and knew what we were doing took a pretty big risk . And now heres our reward. You are correct sir. If I learned anything about Eve it is.....take the isk and run am I right? Yes. So they fhuked up and the smart ones ran with the isk. Rewarded. Simple. Keep crying, as you were the ones soooo happy yesterday, what happened baby did your sucker hit the ground? Sorry, Call of Halo kid, but risk-reward applies to gameplay mechanics, not deliberate and willful exploitation of an obvious bug, which is a bannable offense clearly listed in the TOS and EULA. Why is everyone a cod halo kid? I am a bf3 and MAG player. Soo keep it up fanboi. Not everyone, just that your justification for exploiting bugs is most common in Halo, it was a safe assumption (just like leading a question with "so my friend" makes assuming you mean yourself a safe assumption). |
The Red Dead
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:48:00 -
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Can anyone who went in debt confirm it was wiped. There is a whole lot of bickering over something claimed by op with nobody else supporting it. Please post if you were in debt and it was reset. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
210
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:48:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Geirskoegul wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... Don't worry too much about Noc, if you look over his posting history he basically wants this to be Call of Halo so he can faceroll until the next FoTM comes out and he moves on. Gonna back that up with facts or just profess truth out of thin air? Are you a disciple of a god or other omniscient being? I did, your post history is right there for everyone to see. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
210
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:51:00 -
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The Red Dead wrote:Can anyone who went in debt confirm it was wiped. There is a whole lot of bickering over something claimed by op with nobody else supporting it. Please post if you were in debt and it was reset. If they've read this thread it's unlikely they'd want to call attention to the fact that they willfully exploited the bug and then another bug negated their punishment.
That said, as you imply, the OP could simply be making it up to troll. That doesn't diminish the point though, that these issues need to be investigated and punished accordingly when exploited. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
93
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:52:00 -
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BGoat wrote:GM Grave wrote:Dear players, at 11:00 UTC on the 28th of May, an issue occurred where some players were credited with ISK. As this ISK was an unintended error it was removed from the game as of 11:00 UTC on the 30th of May. As a result of this issue a number of characters entered negative ISK balance due to over-spending. As a temporary measure we have now taken steps to revert affected characters back to 0 ISK in order to allow them to continue playing as normal In the meantime we are working on a system to reclaim ISK from over-spending that will review player purchases and corp donation histories on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible. While it may take some time to apply these changes we will contact affected users once we have rebalanced their ISK status to let them know that there should be no further adjustments. As always players are welcome to contact CCP via our support system with any concerns they may have. https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets/On behalf of the DUST 514 team please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused. Sounds like the people who took advantage won't hold on to that 0 ISK reset AND get to keep their assets. Good. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83775
Well this is kind of /thread.
So if CCP (and as always this is a huge 'if' with CCP) can track down all the illegitimate gains, then the advantage will only be temporary. Good to hear. |
BGoat
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:53:00 -
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The Red Dead wrote:Can anyone who went in debt confirm it was wiped. There is a whole lot of bickering over something claimed by op with nobody else supporting it. Please post if you were in debt and it was reset.
Scroll up two posts and you will see a confirmation from GM Grave |
StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:56:00 -
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BGoat wrote:GM Grave wrote:Dear players, at 11:00 UTC on the 28th of May, an issue occurred where some players were credited with ISK. As this ISK was an unintended error it was removed from the game as of 11:00 UTC on the 30th of May. As a result of this issue a number of characters entered negative ISK balance due to over-spending. As a temporary measure we have now taken steps to revert affected characters back to 0 ISK in order to allow them to continue playing as normal In the meantime we are working on a system to reclaim ISK from over-spending that will review player purchases and corp donation histories on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible. While it may take some time to apply these changes we will contact affected users once we have rebalanced their ISK status to let them know that there should be no further adjustments. As always players are welcome to contact CCP via our support system with any concerns they may have. https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets/On behalf of the DUST 514 team please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused. Sounds like the people who took advantage won't hold on to that 0 ISK reset AND get to keep their assets. Good. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83775
on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible.
Yeah and we all know how fast CCP is at fixing sh*t, (hit detection).
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:56:00 -
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Although this entire thing amuses me to no end, until CCP punishes idlers who effect the game much more adversely than a few hundred million ISK, I think this was sort of an empty gesture at punishment
Furthermore, I don't think CCP even intended to punish players, they just effed up, twice now, and put it off on the players.
I think it would be much more advantageous in the future if they simply made mistakes like this a part of an event or dropped some normally AUR items or specialist/Rares for huge ISK into the store to sink the ISK in the system. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
534
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:01:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... Some people went several hundred million in debt, and did not have several million in assets to liquidate. And even if they did donate to the corp (not all affected did) there is no guarantee the money would be returned. 0 isk is starting over, going broke. Negative isk is pure punishment which is wrong when CCP is at fault. so the people who donated 400mil+ to the corp went negative then got reset then had their corp give them back the 400mil+ ISK is not a glitch and exploiting the system to get 3 or 4 times the amount of ISK without punishment is right and what everyone should of done is what your saving. so your in favor of bugging and glitching the game to help yourself out. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1624
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:06:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Although this entire thing amuses me to no end, until CCP punishes idlers who effect the game much more adversely than a few hundred million ISK, I think this was sort of an empty gesture at punishment
Furthermore, I don't think CCP even intended to punish players, they just effed up, twice now, and put it off on the players.
I think it would be much more advantageous in the future if they simply made mistakes like this a part of an event or dropped some normally AUR items or specialist/Rares for huge ISK into the store to sink the ISK in the system. Maybe sell a Mordu's Grab bag that randomly generates loot from the already existing loot table with a guaranteed specialist weapon and a chance at a rare.
I can understand if this was an exploit that players took advantage of, but this was CCP's mistake all the way. A mistake players took advantage of, that's an exploit. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1821
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:08:00 -
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Geirskoegul wrote: I did, your post history is right there for everyone to see.
**** your teapot, Russel. I prefer black coffee. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1624
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:09:00 -
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ladwar wrote:so your in favor of bugging and glitching the game to help yourself out.
Noc Tempre wrote:I will gladly err on the side of positive error when it comes to an entertainment medium. Why yes, yes he is. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
742
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:10:00 -
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They won, little cry babies. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1821
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:10:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:ladwar wrote:so your in favor of bugging and glitching the game to help yourself out. Noc Tempre wrote:I will gladly err on the side of positive error when it comes to an entertainment medium. Why yes, yes he is.
I lost out on this deal. Your strawman is nothing but a yarn. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:12:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:If CCP is going to reward players for exploiting accidental bugs, they should just give everyone back the ISK they gave in the first place. If they spent the ISK they are not penalized because they already have the equipment they bought. Make them be in dept whatever they over spent. Sure why not. I don't really care. But don't force people out of a game with critically low player count. They're not forcing anyone out. Didn't they offer to liquidate your assets, if you want to get out of debt? What ever happened to that plan... Some people went several hundred million in debt, and did not have several million in assets to liquidate. And even if they did donate to the corp (not all affected did) there is no guarantee the money would be returned. 0 isk is starting over, going broke. Negative isk is pure punishment which is wrong when CCP is at fault. so the people who donated 400mil+ to the corp went negative then got reset then had their corp give them back the 400mil+ ISK is not a glitch and exploiting the system to get 3 or 4 times the amount of ISK without punishment is right and what everyone should of done is what your saving. so your in favor of bugging and glitching the game to help yourself out.
Look, CCP used the same method to remove ISK and dole out punishment that they used to put it there in the first place - and that method is faulty.
CCP is making mistakes. Turning on your fellow players out of some meta-avarice to take the side of a company that inflicts two massive mistakes onto it's customer base and then turns around to blame them for that mistake when it could have been handled differently is bizarre in the extreme.
I want real exploiters to be punished severely, but this was corner cutting of the highest order and they're just making more work for themselves in the long run. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
534
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:20:00 -
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looks like just another reason why no one should spend money to keep the game alive. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:30:00 -
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ladwar wrote:looks like just another reason why no one should spend money to keep the game alive.
I support this game and want it to stay alive because I feel like the direction this game was taking was excellent and I'm hoping that the marketing team flustercluck that hijacked it gets handed its walking papers so the Dev staff can go back about their business.
But you're right, doing that with my wallet is not an option I am too terribly inspired to entertain at this moment. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1499
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Posted - 2013.05.31 21:11:00 -
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Glad about GM Grave's post, solves a lot of issues.
The majority of things I post, I post for a reason. I only make a post if it's personally affected myself or the people I talk too so I can actually say that everyone who I spoke to about being in debt had their ISK reset to 0, I don't make **** up :)
For people to make idiotic statements defending giving everyone a clean slate, why 0? Why not let everyone have the original money? You say it's "not a punishment" but it actually is, whilst the point I'm making actually means nothing because of the post from GM Grave, it was a punishment in the simplest of sense, I didn't spend the money like everyone else, therefore I didn't get all the extra assets worth 300m+ but others did. Punished for being a good player. What makes me facepalm the most though is people saying it's okay to be done, because it was a glitch. No, abusing a glitch is an exploit for which you can and should be banned for.
CCP should work on a fix for those who lost more money than they should've and should give everyone who was in debt, their debt back, and then they should make a clear way in game to sell off assets to get out of debt, but making it an option. If someone has 300m ISK of debt, because they have 300m ISK of assets, let them either sell those assets or use them to work themselves back up. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
331
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Posted - 2013.05.31 21:14:00 -
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Oh look it happend like I said, enough people whined and I got my isk back (for now) Who would have thought one could use those people so effectivley. |
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