Footage from 2009 was old engine. CCP switched to the Unreal engine to get Dust out quicker.

Footage from 2009 was old engine. CCP switched to the Unreal engine to get Dust out quicker.

If that's really the case.. oh man, Shame on CCP.

They were using the same engine that runs EVE Online, which in no way would have worked on a console. The old 24 player matches would have been slideshows in that engine.

Also notice how bland the environment is in those videos.

They were using the same engine that runs EVE Online, which in no way would have worked on a console. The old 24 player matches would have been slideshows in that engine.

Also notice how bland the environment is in those videos.

What about the ps4? Would it be possible?

You would throw the advantage of the UE3 beeing platform agnostic and highly compatible to the upcoming UE4 into the bin. I don't think it would be worth it, both in development time and cost.

I believe it's called "selling the sizzle, not the steak"



Still love those videos though

I can't wait to see the features in them. It's not secret I'm mainly here for the Fighters.

I'm sure Unreal isn't the only platform CCP could have gone with, maybe it was just the lowest priced option. I'm disappointed with Dust's Uprising and miss the old builds, as well.

There are better options out there obviously, this game was supposed to be as "grand" as Battlefield sort-of-speak, look at the actual size of the maps, these maps were made to support large scale warfare jets and stuff. Unfortunately CCP changed engines, it changed the gameplay, and at the moment what we saw is not possible. They could change the engine again to one that would support bigger gameplay but I doubt they would make the investment.

it reminds me of Aliens: Colonial Marines in a lot of ways...

Same game engine changes and everything...

Oh please, this is in no way to the same extent as that trainwreck.

To be honest.. i been asking this question for a bit, and i still haven't hear a logical reason. I don't buy the full Carbon Engine BS... I think something else happen.

Even if it was the Carbon engine, ( Which i seriously dough it was ), still doesn't explain, why is taking CCP this long to transfer the game mechanics to a different engine. Doesn't make any sense.

DUST 514 announcement demo: DUST 514 demo | DUST as it actually is

• Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
• Vehicle control is a lot better in demo. Let's see anyone in DUST right now driving like they do in this demo.
• Graphics a lot better in demo.
• Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
• AI doesn't exist in final game.
• Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.

Aliens: Colonial Marines in-progress demo: Demo vs Final Product

• Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
• Graphics a lot better in demo than final.
• Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
• AI is garbage in final game.
• Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.

It's the same thing.

I'm not trying to diss DUST too much... I want to see it successful. I've spent a decent amount of rl cash to support it too. However, you have to look at the reality of the situation: DUST is free. My time is not. If the game isn't good RIGHT NOW, it's not a good game. Maybe it can be a good game in the future... but it needs to get there real quick and there's not much sign of anything but little tweaks coming up in the near future.

I'm here for the long haul, because I play EvE. If it wasn't for EvE, I doubt I would give DUST a second chance.

First, it was already said that changing the engine means rebuilding a large chunk of code. Second these trailers are goddam trailers We can be pretty sure that almost everything we see there is prescripted, preanimated and prerendered. Trailers that show actual gameplay usually have a small "actual gameplay" branding. This does not because it's not actual gameplay.

The ps3 cant use UE4.

Most game-play trailers are normally very close to the actual game... also... how old is the Carbon engine ? Over 10 years ?. It can run a complex Space Exploration game, but not a FPS ?...If it was a problem with graphics, why they not just lowered the overall quality ?

Any way... never mind.. I seriously dough we will never know what really happen.

oops. Right you are! Thanks!

Still... unreal 3 is from 2005 or 6, right? ...kinda dated.

Yea but just because somethings dated doesn't mean it can't be upgraded to work A LOT better.

If that's really the case.. oh man, Shame on CCP.

I guess that begs the question "than why hasn't that happened?"

Footage from 2009 was old engine. CCP switched to the Unreal engine to get Dust out quicker.

I guess that begs the question "than why hasn't that happened?"

Most game-play trailers are normally very close to the actual game... also... how old is the Carbon engine ? Over 10 years ?. It can run a complex Space Exploration game, but not a FPS ?...If it was a problem with graphics, why they not just lowered the overall quality ?

Any way... never mind.. I seriously dough we will never know what really happen.

oops. Right you are! Thanks!

Still... unreal 3 is from 2005 or 6, right? ...kinda dated.

The space stuff is not based on carbon, at least not the rendering part. How old the carbon engine is i don't know, but is more like four years and engines tend to perform differently in various environments e.g. ID tech needed significant reworks to cope with large areas while allowing great visuals in enclosed spaces.

The space simulation is not that complex. In fact the main reason why eve looks so good even on old hardware is the fact that most of what you see in any given scene is a high resolution skybox. The polycount is really rather low compared to games that have to render vast areas along with all the actors.

The Carbon engine is 10 years old ;

http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/technology

The Carbon engine is from 2003... older than the Unreal 3 engine....explain that one...

The Carbon engine is from 2003... older than the Unreal 3 engine....explain that one...

If you're looking to me for explanations, you're looking in the wrong place my friend. I'll say this though: the Carbon Engine looks WAY better than Unreal 3. It IS way better, in fact. So, yes, CCP is WAY out in front with their technology. They DO have an incredible engine that's way ahead of it's time. They do have a phenomenal art department, one of the best in the entire industry imho. Most amazingly they are the exclusive producer and owner of Carbon.

Yet DUST is a jinky unreal 3 game. Explain THAT one to me...

So you saying that the following games are rubbish ;

Batman: Arkham Asylum
Army of Two: The 40th Day
BioShock Infinity
Borderlands
Borderlands 2
Dishonored
DmC: Devil May Cry
Gears of War: Judgment

All those games run with the Unreal 3 engine....now i''m of to bed... i let you think about that one.

Yea and each of those games uses a modified (probably heavily modified) version of UE3

Dust 514's UE3 engine is so heavily modified that chances are it cannot be ported easily over to UE4.

CCP always puts out trailers that make their games look way more awesome than they actually are. That demo didn't show anything amazing. It showed... barely anything.

The current state of Dust is nothing less than an isult to all thats been suporting this game for close to a year.

CCP always puts out trailers that make their games look way more awesome than they actually are. That demo didn't show anything amazing. It showed... barely anything.

Every company does that, besides I think Dust is great how it is. Has it's problems but CCP is fixing them

So if the PS3 can't handle Carbon, why downgrade the gameplay, content and quality so drastically to be able to run on PS3? When a new system would be available during the same year of release, especially when releasing a FTP game in a starter line-up for a new Console would or at least seems really good as an invesment?

Who would not try out a free game when they just spent all that money on the new console? Surely the player count would be/should (be) much higher than 10k for a FTP game?

Just seems to me that downgrading a game so much from what was shown in 2009 isn't the right move, but then again what do i know, i am not a game developer, just a gamer. As long as the aurum is rolling in they should be happy i guess.

*snip*

Just seems to me that downgrading a game so much from what was shown in 2009 isn't the right move...

So if the PS3 can't handle Carbon, why downgrade the gameplay, content and quality so drastically to be able to run on PS3? When a new system would be available during the same year of release, especially when releasing a FTP game in a starter line-up for a new Console would or at least seems really good as an invesment?

Who would not try out a free game when they just spent all that money on the new console? Surely the player count would be/should (be) much higher than 10k for a FTP game?

Just seems to me that downgrading a game so much from what was shown in 2009 isn't the right move, but then again what do i know, i am not a game developer, just a gamer. As long as the aurum is rolling in they should be happy i guess.

I don't much care about the graphics of the game. Graphics in games are always trying to rival each other, and some of the greatest games ever have mediocre graphics (Morrowind for example is still being in sold in stores for PC)

I'm curious/upset why they scrapped the FEATURES.

Fully enterable buildings
Open Air vehicles
Fighters
Command Centers
Construction by commander
Long distance resupply/battles

They obviously made the attempt in the original beta, when we had the multi-stage maps. Those were at least interesting even if there were only two.

Now, Dust is a watered down game where every mission is identical except for the field you play on where all that matters is whether or not you have a duvolle tac, instead of having a skilled commander/logistics organization.

Viewing that original trailer still gives me goosbumps. So the general feeling is CCP switched engines but I don't quite buy that. Switching engines does not mean that you have to make new sounds from scratch, audio files should be one of the few things that would transfer with very little extra effort.

Focus on the sounds in that video, the gritty assault weapon sounds, the tracer whistles, the dropship sound when lifting off gives the impression of weight and power. Even the sounds in this current build are 4 years behind what they had back then. The excuse "we switched to Unreal Engine" does not cut it for me.

Looking closely at the details in that video, the concrete barriers are literally the same we have now. In fact, it looks like the build they showed there is about one year away from the current build if they maintain the same amount of progress as we have seen in the past.

The unreal engine can be beatiful on PS3, I just bought Bioshock infinite and that is a very pretty game with terrific sounds. I can understand sacrificing graphics to fit more players into the game but we are still at about the same capacity as Battlefield3 boasts for ps3 in terms of player counts.

There is simply no excuse for the way this game has progressed in my opinion. New engine or not, something else happened within this company and design of the game that drastically changed was they were capable of. It could very well be as simple as they ran out of money.

Did you see my earlier post?

"Switching engines" quite literally means writing your game over again from scratch. As I said in my previous post, even migrating the game I used to work on from CryEngine 2.5 to CryEngine 3 would have involved throwing out everything we'd made and starting over.

Please don't make grand pronouncements about things you don't understand.

Englighten me how the pre-recorded sounds inside a sound studio and then formatted for a different engine are then rendered useless by the simple switching of a engine?

You're blinded by your own ego and percieved experience to have any decent opinion on this matter.

I don't like the argument that future sounds have to sound wimpy. I could care less if things have bullets or not (mind you nearly every small weapon in this game has a clip)

The lack of punch in any of the sounds to date are an immediate turnoff for anyone starting this game.

I think we are starting to see where each other are coming from. I just finished a match and listened to the MCC exploding. I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion why the explosion of a ship the size of an outpost sounds like someone yawning.

CCP listened to the codbois.
the codbois got ripped up by better players therefor the game was broken.


now ccp has fixed the game for them by breaking it for real players.


same thing happened with mag.

when you listen to garbage gamers...
you end up with a player count consistently below 10k

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Seems to me CCP bit of more than they can chew.

Wonder why CCP hasen't commented on this. Would like an official statement on what happened.

So you saying that the following games are rubbish ;

Batman: Arkham Asylum
Army of Two: The 40th Day
BioShock Infinity
Borderlands
Borderlands 2
Dishonored
DmC: Devil May Cry
Gears of War: Judgment

All those games run with the Unreal 3 engine....now i''m of to bed... i let you think about that one.

How many more times can mobius rush to defend ccp while dropping his past experience working on a game nobody played.

Looking for a job much?

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"I don't think this is the kind of thing they're required to make official statements on."


or...

it's not polite to talk when ones mouth is full.

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First of let me show you two clips from back in 2009

Epic Trailer

Epic Demo


Now log into the game....... Do you see a difference in gameplay. content and quality?


WTH happened?

What i'm playing on my ps3 is not the Dust 514 that I was advertised about. Its actually faaaar from it.
Feels like a watered down bull#%#% version of what was shown back at 2009.

How can CCP as a game company say at Fanfest 2013 "We are proud to announce that Dust 514 will be released on the 5/14 this year" and release this Alpha quality product when they advertised a far superior product back in 2009?

Someone please explain WTH happened?

Feels like I'm playing an Alpha version of Dust 514 when I look at the footage from 2009.

Wow! I cannot put in to word the way my face looked when I seen that trailer and demo. WTF! Where is that game? Wow, I am speechless. They showed us steak and gave us the dog food.

Wow! I cannot put in to word the way my face looked when I seen that trailer and demo. WTF! Where is that game? Wow, I am speechless. They showed us steak and gave us the dog food.

Oh please, this is in no way to the same extent as that trainwreck.

Have you played a game on UE3? This game is by far the best looking game I've played that used UE3.

UT3 is amazing, still play it from time to time.

CCP listened to the codbois.
the codbois got ripped up by better players therefor the game was broken.


now ccp has fixed the game for them by breaking it for real players.


same thing happened with mag.

when you listen to garbage gamers...
you end up with a player count consistently below 10k

Peace
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PS3 couldnt handle the old engine so they had to use the Unreal engine instead.

Carbon at first melted some high end PC. PS3 = Low end pc to todays standards.

DUST 514 announcement demo: DUST 514 demo | DUST as it actually is

• Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
• Vehicle control is a lot better in demo. Let's see anyone in DUST right now driving like they do in this demo.
• Graphics a lot better in demo.
• Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
• AI doesn't exist in final game.
• Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.

Aliens: Colonial Marines in-progress demo: Demo vs Final Product

• Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
• Graphics a lot better in demo than final.
• Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
• AI is garbage in final game.
• Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.

It's the same thing.

I'm not trying to diss DUST too much... I want to see it successful. I've spent a decent amount of rl cash to support it too. However, you have to look at the reality of the situation: DUST is free. My time is not. If the game isn't good RIGHT NOW, it's not a good game. Maybe it can be a good game in the future... but it needs to get there real quick and there's not much sign of anything but little tweaks coming up in the near future.

I'm here for the long haul, because I play EvE. If it wasn't for EvE, I doubt I would give DUST a second chance.

I can't wait to see the features in them. It's not secret I'm mainly here for the Fighters.

PS3 couldnt handle the old engine so they had to use the Unreal engine instead.