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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:41:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: Are you spec'd out to deal with the problem? If not, then why are you complaining?
This is a red herring. Free LAVs cost nothing to use, isk or SP-wise. You are asking people to invest both isk and sp into equipment to counter something that is both free and easy to use. Also, most AV builds are weak to anti-infantry. So on top of the isk and sp, you're asking players to make themselves weak in one aspect to counter free vehicle users who in turn risk nothing. The risk v reward balance is way off.As far as LLAVs go, I'm willing to tolerate a modicum of murder taxi because these require sp and isk to use, but this just goes to show how shallow and poor Dust is as a shooter. These vehicles were meant to be mobile medics but instead are more efficient at farming kills. CCP has a ton of work to do before this game is even remotely close to being balanced. LOL I'm not asking anybody to do anything. The majority have advanced AV grenades, which aren't enough. Is it my fault they won't spec out for proto AV grenades, or advanced swarm launchers? Is it my fault the number of people that use forge guns has dropped drastically? If you won't invest the ISK and SP to counter my vehicles, then why are you complaining? Put up or shut up. Try again, son. HTFU
Right over your head I see. Don't get discouraged, we'll get that reading comprehension of yours up to 3rd grade level if it takes10 pages. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3165
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:47:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:LOL I'm not asking anybody to do anything. The majority have advanced AV grenades, which aren't enough. Is it my fault they won't spec out for proto AV grenades, or advanced swarm launchers? Is it my fault the number of people that use forge guns has dropped drastically?
If you won't invest the ISK and SP to counter my vehicles, then why are you complaining? Put up or shut up. So you're saying that against a MILITIA vehicle, it's reasonable to expect players to need to skill into PROTOTYPE gear to counter you?
I wish HAVs were as survivable as LAVs... |
oso tiburon
The Generals EoN.
5
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:
Soooo by your logic,If something is overpowered or grossly overused,it is ok as long as it gives points when killed? When a TAC AR wielder gets killed he gives points,better cancel that slight nerf.
My logic dictates that killing militia LAVs are so pathetically easy as an bare fit AV soldier its near effortless and essentially free points. Its the LLAVs that give me a run for my money, or me being out of ammo. I can aim a forge gun just fine btw, I just cant get to the superior position it demands for its use, anti-infantry typically kill me enroute. my boundless eats i mean EATS the freebie lav i usualy dont even move when i see it comming at me just riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip boom +40 +50 +50 |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:07:00 -
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When CCP finds a fix for one of the sorriest tactics to hit a FPS it will be one of the greatest accomplishments to come from CCP since Eve online. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1942
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:08:00 -
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Militia LAV's need a health nerf that's true, but seriously, all it takes is 2 packed AV nades, which requires grenadier 2 to get, which you will get on the way to better locus grenades anyway. As for other LAV's a lot of sp and ISK goes into making those things hard to kill, it's only fair that you put some at stake tool |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
923
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:11:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem and can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP. Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much. Watchout! Im coming in my LAV.
You know, I can never post in agreement with you BOZ, because your arguments are universally one-sided, whiny and presented on shaky evidence.
This thread is no exception. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:20:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:LOL I'm not asking anybody to do anything. The majority have advanced AV grenades, which aren't enough. Is it my fault they won't spec out for proto AV grenades, or advanced swarm launchers? Is it my fault the number of people that use forge guns has dropped drastically?
If you won't invest the ISK and SP to counter my vehicles, then why are you complaining? Put up or shut up. So you're saying that against a MILITIA vehicle, it's reasonable to expect players to need to skill into PROTOTYPE gear to counter you? I wish HAVs were as survivable as LAVs... You didn't buy any hacked EX-0s when they were on the market? Not my fault. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:38:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:
Right over your head I see. Don't get discouraged, we'll get that reading comprehension of yours up to 3rd grade level if it takes10 pages.
Swarm launchers are free and easy to use. I forgot the part where vehicles have a fire and forget weapon. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:39:00 -
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dabest2evadoit7 wrote:When CCP finds a fix for one of the sorriest tactics to hit a FPS it will be one of the greatest accomplishments to come from CCP since Eve online.
Add on: Free lav should be like tissue paper. Their only purpose being to transport people from on area to another, not be used as one of the most op weapons in any match. SMH.
And someone explain to me how my advanced A/V grenades are more effective against tanks then a militia lav. Something is wrong here. Everybody and their mother stacking damage mods on proto suits with Duvolle TARs isn't cheap?
You're another one that wants physics to be denied? |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
60
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:dabest2evadoit7 wrote:When CCP finds a fix for one of the sorriest tactics to hit a FPS it will be one of the greatest accomplishments to come from CCP since Eve online.
Add on: Free lav should be like tissue paper. Their only purpose being to transport people from on area to another, not be used as one of the most op weapons in any match. SMH.
And someone explain to me how my advanced A/V grenades are more effective against tanks then a militia lav. Something is wrong here. Everybody and their mother stacking damage mods on proto suits with Duvolle TARs isn't cheap? You're another one that wants physics to be denied? Don't deny physics then, just get rid of the free lav. Since physics are a big deal to you, lets not give someone with no sp invested the ability to kill someone with sp invested, so easily. Physics will not allow that. I mean this is an sp based game right? |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3167
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:54:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:LOL I'm not asking anybody to do anything. The majority have advanced AV grenades, which aren't enough. Is it my fault they won't spec out for proto AV grenades, or advanced swarm launchers? Is it my fault the number of people that use forge guns has dropped drastically?
If you won't invest the ISK and SP to counter my vehicles, then why are you complaining? Put up or shut up. So you're saying that against a MILITIA vehicle, it's reasonable to expect players to need to skill into PROTOTYPE gear to counter you? I wish HAVs were as survivable as LAVs... You didn't buy any hacked EX-0s when they were on the market? Not my fault. I can handle things just fine with my Swarm Starter Fit.
I'm not complaining, just laughing at your claim that it's fair to expect people to exploit broken tools or skill up to Proto just so they have a chance against something which needs literally no ISK or SP investment. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
338
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:54:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Abron Garr wrote:
Right over your head I see. Don't get discouraged, we'll get that reading comprehension of yours up to 3rd grade level if it takes10 pages.
Swarm launchers are free and easy to use. I forgot the part where vehicles have a fire and forget weapon.
You also forgot about the part where Swarms are useless against infantry and require sp investment to be truly effective against LAVs. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
422
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness
Well sister, I rather have one guy be a combat effective anti vehicle guy than having my entire squad being biological speed bumps. Bro, I run AV 24/7 I used my Respec to invest in the Proto Specialist Swarm Launcher. All I can say is, it still takes 2 swarms to take out a militia LAV. I can not even destroy an LAV until they have already run over the guy they were trying to hit.
Point is, don't nerf the Swarm Launcher. Trust me, you know not what you speak of. Also, I usually get in the top three in terms of kills even while running AV. really pisses me off when people say that AV is easy... |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:08:00 -
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dabest2evadoit7 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:dabest2evadoit7 wrote:When CCP finds a fix for one of the sorriest tactics to hit a FPS it will be one of the greatest accomplishments to come from CCP since Eve online.
Add on: Free lav should be like tissue paper. Their only purpose being to transport people from on area to another, not be used as one of the most op weapons in any match. SMH.
And someone explain to me how my advanced A/V grenades are more effective against tanks then a militia lav. Something is wrong here. Everybody and their mother stacking damage mods on proto suits with Duvolle TARs isn't cheap? You're another one that wants physics to be denied? Don't deny physics then, just get rid of the free lav. Since physics are a big deal to you, lets not give someone with no sp invested the ability to kill someone with sp invested, so easily. Physics will not allow that. I mean this is an sp based game right? So I say no more free anything. You get sp to start so use it. Also I feel like this if u can't shoot why play a game where your ability to stay alive depends on how well u shoot? That's a straw man argument and is not based in reality, or digital reality. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
422
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:11:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:BOZ MR wrote:You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem and can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP. Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much. Watchout! Im coming in my LAV. to get a swarm capable of killing a specced lav( the pimped out fully equipped lav's ), would require specialization most likely so 3 mil. then you will need weapon mods so 4.5 mil of course you will need a suit capable of using 3-4 damage mods so let's just go with proto spec for assault so 7.8 mil now while getting ot this point you will likely want another weapon because you can't AV all the time, so 10.8 mil you will need drop suit command, and engineering and electronics to fit all those weapon mods most likely, let's say 4 each, so 12 mil sp, and that's of course ignoring entirely side arms, armor, shields, etc now you know why i'm only getting close to AV now... Exactley, I spent 5M SP on AV and I still am no where near as good as I want to be. Proto Swarms still two shot militia LAV's all the same. |
Vethosis
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
55
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:14:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem and can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP. Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much. Watchout! Im coming in my LAV.
I put 7m into my LAV |
Vethosis
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
55
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:BOZ MR wrote:You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem amd can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP. Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much. Watchout! Im coming in my LAV. Just to make sure everyone else wasn't crazy I did some testing.There is still a free LAV that umm ya,doesn't require a single sp or isk.Soooo it must just be you. Yet Free LAVs are like free 150 points when they die.
No they're not, they give 40 points each. You probably were trying to say with people in them, but you didn't. Though the people that represent us would do better than this. |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:17:00 -
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Vethosis wrote:BOZ MR wrote:You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem and can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP. Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much. Watchout! Im coming in my LAV. I put 7m into my LAV
Lawl, i wanna be your gunner
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Vethosis
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
55
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:18:00 -
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Join the channel " Matador Squadron " |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
422
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:18:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote: That's a straw man argument and is not based in reality, or digital reality.
What funk kind of answer is that? Digital reality?
So you mean I have to make physics in the game in accordance to the fake physics that some one came up with based on fake physics that sounded good in your head, that is based off of real physics.
Do you see the problem with arguments like this^?
They are stupidly endless... You can never ' win', because any one can pull out a pseudo scientific argument against your [pseudo scientific argument. This argument (pseudo scientific) should never be used in a pseudo scientific game like Dust 514. At least not when people are trying to 'prove' it. |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
426
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:26:00 -
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NoxiousMentos wrote:Never said there wasn't.I am saying I shouldn't have to CONSTANTLY have it out cause noobs can't aim a gun.
If people actually got the swarms or other weapons out once in a while... instead of playing AR 514 all the time... then people would learn why they shouldn't drive murder taxis.
However, they survive off your laziness. Well done! |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:27:00 -
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dabest2evadoit7 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:dabest2evadoit7 wrote:When CCP finds a fix for one of the sorriest tactics to hit a FPS it will be one of the greatest accomplishments to come from CCP since Eve online.
Add on: Free lav should be like tissue paper. Their only purpose being to transport people from on area to another, not be used as one of the most op weapons in any match. SMH.
And someone explain to me how my advanced A/V grenades are more effective against tanks then a militia lav. Something is wrong here. Everybody and their mother stacking damage mods on proto suits with Duvolle TARs isn't cheap? You're another one that wants physics to be denied? Don't deny physics then, just get rid of the free lav. Since physics are a big deal to you, lets not give someone with no sp invested the ability to kill someone with sp invested, so easily. Physics will not allow that. I mean this is an sp based game right? So I say no more free anything. You get sp to start so use it. Also I feel like this if u can't shoot why play a game where your ability to stay alive depends on how well u shoot? Would it make you feel better if I had spent all my 12 mil SP on logi/assault suits and the Duvolle TAR, so I could be like everyone else? |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:30:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Abron Garr wrote:
Right over your head I see. Don't get discouraged, we'll get that reading comprehension of yours up to 3rd grade level if it takes10 pages.
Swarm launchers are free and easy to use. I forgot the part where vehicles have a fire and forget weapon. You also forgot about the part where Swarms are useless against infantry and require sp investment to be truly effective against LAVs. I don't care, my AV consists of blasters and railguns, and the odd militia forge gun, because swarms are just too easy and not satisfying to use. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:31:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness
Well sister, I rather have one guy be a combat effective anti vehicle guy than having my entire squad being biological speed bumps. Bro, I run AV 24/7 I used my Respec to invest in the Proto Specialist Swarm Launcher. All I can say is, it still takes 2 swarms to take out a militia LAV. I can not even destroy an LAV until they have already run over the guy they were trying to hit. Point is, don't nerf the Swarm Launcher. Trust me, you know not what you speak of. Also, I usually get in the top three in terms of kills even while running AV. really pisses me off when people say that AV is easy... Fire and forget weapons are easy. I'll wait a couple of years for you to prove to me that fire and forget weapons are hard to use. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:33:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:Vethosis wrote:BOZ MR wrote:You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem and can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP. Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much. Watchout! Im coming in my LAV. I put 7m into my LAV Lawl, i wanna be your gunner I put 10mil into vehicles, what do I get? Oh yeah, killed by militia swarm launchers. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
187
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:35:00 -
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OP is fking stupid. I can kill any free LAV with one swarm. Learn to use AV. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:36:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: That's a straw man argument and is not based in reality, or digital reality.
What funk kind of answer is that? Digital reality? So you mean I have to make physics in the game in accordance to the fake physics that some one came up with based on fake physics that sounded good in your head, that is based off of real physics. Do you see the problem with arguments like this^? They are stupidly endless... You can never ' win', because any one can pull out a pseudo scientific argument against your [pseudo scientific argument. This argument (pseudo scientific) should never be used in a pseudo scientific game like Dust 514. At least not when people are trying to 'prove' it. There's a reason people have called this Assault 514 and TAR 514, and not LAV 514 or HAV 514.
Stand in front of a car going 50mph and see what happens. But try to make the argument to the driver that because you believe differently, his 3000lb vehicle should be totaled after hitting your body, and you should only come away with minor scrapes and bruises. If you don't want to deal with vehicles, by all means, go buy Black Ops II.
It's absurd that people are trying to make the argument that if a car hits them, it shouldn't damage them. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
187
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:38:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness
Well sister, I rather have one guy be a combat effective anti vehicle guy than having my entire squad being biological speed bumps. Bro, I run AV 24/7 I used my Respec to invest in the Proto Specialist Swarm Launcher. All I can say is, it still takes 2 swarms to take out a militia LAV. I can not even destroy an LAV until they have already run over the guy they were trying to hit. Point is, don't nerf the Swarm Launcher. Trust me, you know not what you speak of. Also, I usually get in the top three in terms of kills even while running AV. really pisses me off when people say that AV is easy... If you can't kill a militia LAV in one shot with a Proto SL then your doing it wrong. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
422
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Posted - 2013.06.01 02:17:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness
Well sister, I rather have one guy be a combat effective anti vehicle guy than having my entire squad being biological speed bumps. Bro, I run AV 24/7 I used my Respec to invest in the Proto Specialist Swarm Launcher. All I can say is, it still takes 2 swarms to take out a militia LAV. I can not even destroy an LAV until they have already run over the guy they were trying to hit. Point is, don't nerf the Swarm Launcher. Trust me, you know not what you speak of. Also, I usually get in the top three in terms of kills even while running AV. really pisses me off when people say that AV is easy... Fire and forget weapons are easy. I'll wait a couple of years for you to prove to me that fire and forget weapons are hard to use. I feel like you have never used more then a militia swarm on a militia LAV. Probably in Chromosome, back when it was easier
It is very frustrating shooting 6 proto swarms (36 missiles) at an LAV and not even getting the shields down. Now image their being 5 such LAV's running around you... |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
422
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Posted - 2013.06.01 02:20:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness
Well sister, I rather have one guy be a combat effective anti vehicle guy than having my entire squad being biological speed bumps. Bro, I run AV 24/7 I used my Respec to invest in the Proto Specialist Swarm Launcher. All I can say is, it still takes 2 swarms to take out a militia LAV. I can not even destroy an LAV until they have already run over the guy they were trying to hit. Point is, don't nerf the Swarm Launcher. Trust me, you know not what you speak of. Also, I usually get in the top three in terms of kills even while running AV. really pisses me off when people say that AV is easy... If you can't kill a militia LAV in one shot with a Proto SL then your doing it wrong. Explain to me how then... Here is how I am doing it: I track the alleged vehicle for 1.7 seconds and release after hearing the sound indicatng a lock. The missiles then track and hit the LAV, after wards I lock on and fire again.
Count of two shots. |
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