You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem and can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP.
Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much.
Watchout! Im coming in my LAV.

Its the free LAV's that are the issue, there should be a limit to amount per match with them.

I don't think I should have to always carry av nades on an infantry based character.

BS!!!!!!!!!!
PROTOTYPE swarm launcher plus damage mods plus proficiency and the LAV does not die from SEVERAL! hits.
LLAV

If a PROTOTYPE AV has problems killing a jeep then the game is broken.
respec and tossed swarm launcher ......lol on pile of useless weapons.

LAVs as they are make the game progress or SP accumulation pointless.

This and this alone is the very reason why LAV's are problematic. When something is being intentionally used in a way that it wasn't really designed for, then something went wrong with the design. An LAV is the military video game version of a ummer. Hummers can be fitted with support guns to provide firepower in a maneuverable light armored vehicle (LAV). And trust me, marines are not running around in those hummers running over baddies 90% of the time. There's a reason why there's a "gun" mounted there.

But yet in this game, and yes I'm aware its a game. The LAV's rarely use that gun as their primary source of support. Does the description of the LAV even say "mainly used to run enemies over"? I don't think so.

If I have to pay to use Militia shotguns, flaylocks, etc., then LAVs equipped with turrets should have a cost.
If you can't run over somebody with a HAV, then LAVs shouldn't either.

IWS said the swarm launchers need a lock of nerf, ARE YOU SERIOUS? If anything they need a boost, guess he never fights against tanks with the damn thing. Its bad enough they have a crap amount of ammo now he wants all vehicles more time to be able to escape. Just awesome.

to get a swarm capable of killing a specced lav( the pimped out fully equipped lav's ), would require specialization most likely so 3 mil. then you will need weapon mods so 4.5 mil of course you will need a suit capable of using 3-4 damage mods so let's just go with proto spec for assault so 7.8 mil now while getting ot this point you will likely want another weapon because you can't AV all the time, so 10.8 mil you will need drop suit command, and engineering and electronics to fit all those weapon mods most likely, let's say 4 each, so 12 mil sp, and that's of course ignoring entirely side arms, armor, shields, etc

now you know why i'm only getting close to AV now...

I have to agree, the purpose of the LAV isn't be to spin around the map running everyone over. Why is getting run over an instant kill on suit with over 1000 EHP? It seems like losing some health and getting tossed around for a couple seconds would be enough.

I don't need LAV's to be nerfed into the ground, I just want the ridiculous insta-kill ability to stop. Toss me over the hood and take 100 HP, then let me get up, dust myself off, and keep playing if someone hasn't shot me in the couple seconds I've languished helplessly on the ground.

What it comes down to is this: Just being on the ground shouldn't automatically subject you to being run over and instantly killed by swarming LAV's. That's not a game I want to play. However it needs to happen, this needs to get fixed.

This is a red herring. Free LAVs cost nothing to use, isk or SP-wise. You are asking people to invest both isk and sp into equipment to counter something that is both free and easy to use. Also, most AV builds are weak to anti-infantry. So on top of the isk and sp, you're asking players to make themselves weak in one aspect to counter free vehicle users who in turn risk nothing. The risk v reward balance is way off.

As far as LLAVs go, I'm willing to tolerate a modicum of murder taxi because these require sp and isk to use, but this just goes to show how shallow and poor Dust is as a shooter. These vehicles were meant to be mobile medics but instead are more efficient at farming kills. CCP has a ton of work to do before this game is even remotely close to being balanced.

I would love for the turrets on LAV's to get fixed as well, so they're actually useful for something. But having them run around all over the place instantly killing people because they got nicked by the front bumper is neither realistic, nor fun, nor balanced.

Try again, son.

So you're saying that against a MILITIA vehicle, it's reasonable to expect players to need to skill into PROTOTYPE gear to counter you?



I wish HAVs were as survivable as LAVs...

Right over your head I see. Don't get discouraged, we'll get that reading comprehension of yours up to 3rd grade level if it takes10 pages.

When CCP finds a fix for one of the sorriest tactics to hit a FPS it will be one of the greatest accomplishments to come from CCP since Eve online.

Add on: Free lav should be like tissue paper. Their only purpose being to transport people from on area to another, not be used as one of the most op weapons in any match. SMH.

And someone explain to me how my advanced A/V grenades are more effective against tanks then a militia lav. Something is wrong here.

Don't deny physics then, just get rid of the free lav. Since physics are a big deal to you, lets not give someone with no sp invested the ability to kill someone with sp invested, so easily. Physics will not allow that. I mean this is an sp based game right? So I say no more free anything. You get sp to start so use it.

Also I feel like this if u can't shoot why play a game where your ability to stay alive depends on how well u shoot?

Don't deny physics then, just get rid of the free lav. Since physics are a big deal to you, lets not give someone with no sp invested the ability to kill someone with sp invested, so easily. Physics will not allow that. I mean this is an sp based game right? So I say no more free anything. You get sp to start so use it.

Also I feel like this if u can't shoot why play a game where your ability to stay alive depends on how well u shoot?

You also forgot about the part where Swarms are useless against infantry and require sp investment to be truly effective against LAVs.

Bro, I run AV 24/7 I used my Respec to invest in the Proto Specialist Swarm Launcher. All I can say is, it still takes 2 swarms to take out a militia LAV. I can not even destroy an LAV until they have already run over the guy they were trying to hit.

Point is, don't nerf the Swarm Launcher. Trust me, you know not what you speak of. Also, I usually get in the top three in terms of kills even while running AV. really pisses me off when people say that AV is easy...

Lawl, i wanna be your gunner

What funk kind of answer is that? Digital reality?

So you mean I have to make physics in the game in accordance to the fake physics that some one came up with based on fake physics that sounded good in your head, that is based off of real physics.

Do you see the problem with arguments like this^?

They are stupidly endless... You can never ' win', because any one can pull out a pseudo scientific argument against your [pseudo scientific argument. This argument (pseudo scientific) should never be used in a pseudo scientific game like Dust 514. At least not when people are trying to 'prove' it.