You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem and can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP.
Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much.
Watchout! Im coming in my LAV.

If people just used them right, I'd be fine. But 90% of LAV users now do nothing but drive around seeking roadkills.

to get a swarm capable of killing a specced lav( the pimped out fully equipped lav's ), would require specialization most likely so 3 mil. then you will need weapon mods so 4.5 mil of course you will need a suit capable of using 3-4 damage mods so let's just go with proto spec for assault so 7.8 mil now while getting ot this point you will likely want another weapon because you can't AV all the time, so 10.8 mil you will need drop suit command, and engineering and electronics to fit all those weapon mods most likely, let's say 4 each, so 12 mil sp, and that's of course ignoring entirely side arms, armor, shields, etc

now you know why i'm only getting close to AV now...

I don't need LAV's to be nerfed into the ground, I just want the ridiculous insta-kill ability to stop.

My problem with free LAV's is that they're too effective. Yes, you can quickly drop everything you're doing, including your playstyle, JUST to take out one single LAV, or you can go Proto AV Grenades and hope to 2-shot them, or you can just give up and let stupid players misuse them and play a game of GTA in what is supposed to be a tactical shooter. LAV's are unpunishable unless you have completely prepared for it, and even once you DO kill it, they're free, and you'll have to keep switching to crappy AV until they stop, which they won't.

If people just used them right, I'd be fine. But 90% of LAV users now do nothing but drive around seeking roadkills.

I suggest you to learn to read also congrats about killing free lavs with no mods and zero SP. well fitted lav with high sp takes atleast 4 proto hits with damage mods when they are NOT MOVING.

Lets not start counting Vehicle skills?

Its the free LAV's that are the issue, there should be a limit to amount per match with them.

I don't think I should have to always carry av nades on an infantry based character.

BS!!!!!!!!!!
PROTOTYPE swarm launcher plus damage mods plus proficiency and the LAV does not die from SEVERAL! hits.
LLAV

If a PROTOTYPE AV has problems killing a jeep then the game is broken.
respec and tossed swarm launcher ......lol on pile of useless weapons.

LAVs as they are make the game progress or SP accumulation pointless.

This and this alone is the very reason why LAV's are problematic. When something is being intentionally used in a way that it wasn't really designed for, then something went wrong with the design. An LAV is the military video game version of a ummer. Hummers can be fitted with support guns to provide firepower in a maneuverable light armored vehicle (LAV). And trust me, marines are not running around in those hummers running over baddies 90% of the time. There's a reason why there's a "gun" mounted there.

But yet in this game, and yes I'm aware its a game. The LAV's rarely use that gun as their primary source of support. Does the description of the LAV even say "mainly used to run enemies over"? I don't think so.

If I have to pay to use Militia shotguns, flaylocks, etc., then LAVs equipped with turrets should have a cost.
If you can't run over somebody with a HAV, then LAVs shouldn't either.

IWS said the swarm launchers need a lock of nerf, ARE YOU SERIOUS? If anything they need a boost, guess he never fights against tanks with the damn thing. Its bad enough they have a crap amount of ammo now he wants all vehicles more time to be able to escape. Just awesome.

to get a swarm capable of killing a specced lav( the pimped out fully equipped lav's ), would require specialization most likely so 3 mil. then you will need weapon mods so 4.5 mil of course you will need a suit capable of using 3-4 damage mods so let's just go with proto spec for assault so 7.8 mil now while getting ot this point you will likely want another weapon because you can't AV all the time, so 10.8 mil you will need drop suit command, and engineering and electronics to fit all those weapon mods most likely, let's say 4 each, so 12 mil sp, and that's of course ignoring entirely side arms, armor, shields, etc

now you know why i'm only getting close to AV now...

I have to agree, the purpose of the LAV isn't be to spin around the map running everyone over. Why is getting run over an instant kill on suit with over 1000 EHP? It seems like losing some health and getting tossed around for a couple seconds would be enough.

I don't need LAV's to be nerfed into the ground, I just want the ridiculous insta-kill ability to stop. Toss me over the hood and take 100 HP, then let me get up, dust myself off, and keep playing if someone hasn't shot me in the couple seconds I've languished helplessly on the ground.

What it comes down to is this: Just being on the ground shouldn't automatically subject you to being run over and instantly killed by swarming LAV's. That's not a game I want to play. However it needs to happen, this needs to get fixed.

Are you spec'd out to deal with the problem? If not, then why are you complaining?

you can just give up and let stupid players misuse them and play a game of GTA in what is supposed to be a tactical shooter.

Red dots withs TACs and scrambers are over there...me and my Blue dots are over here. We cannot cross the open space between us to even hit the red dots over there before they mow us down.

Calling an LAV and driving over there so we can shoot those red dots is a tactic and therefor tactical.

Please sit down and shut up.

No, you do want them to be nerfed to the point of uselessness. If you've ever been in a LAV turret, you know how difficult it is to hit targets with them. Missiles are best when moving, blasters when slow, and the railguns are useless.

You're another one that wants physics to be denied.

This is a red herring. Free LAVs cost nothing to use, isk or SP-wise. You are asking people to invest both isk and sp into equipment to counter something that is both free and easy to use. Also, most AV builds are weak to anti-infantry. So on top of the isk and sp, you're asking players to make themselves weak in one aspect to counter free vehicle users who in turn risk nothing. The risk v reward balance is way off.

As far as LLAVs go, I'm willing to tolerate a modicum of murder taxi because these require sp and isk to use, but this just goes to show how shallow and poor Dust is as a shooter. These vehicles were meant to be mobile medics but instead are more efficient at farming kills. CCP has a ton of work to do before this game is even remotely close to being balanced.

I would love for the turrets on LAV's to get fixed as well, so they're actually useful for something. But having them run around all over the place instantly killing people because they got nicked by the front bumper is neither realistic, nor fun, nor balanced.

LOL I'm not asking anybody to do anything. The majority have advanced AV grenades, which aren't enough. Is it my fault they won't spec out for proto AV grenades, or advanced swarm launchers? Is it my fault the number of people that use forge guns has dropped drastically?

If you won't invest the ISK and SP to counter my vehicles, then why are you complaining? Put up or shut up.

Try again, son.