You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem amd can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP.
Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much.
Watchout! Im coming in my LAV.

Just to make sure everyone else wasn't crazy I did some testing.There is still a free LAV that umm ya,doesn't require a single sp or isk.Soooo it must just be you.

Yet Free LAVs are like free 150 points when they die.

150 SP from WP. 12,600 SP for the AV grenade that doesn't even one shot them. That's 84 free LABs you have to down with a militia swarm launcher.

Even then, Prototype AV grenades don't one shot them. I still call imbalanced design.

Just to make sure everyone else wasn't crazy I did some testing.There is still a free LAV that umm ya,doesn't require a single sp or isk.Soooo it must just be you.

Yet Free LAVs are like free 150 points when they die.

You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem amd can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP.
Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much.
Watchout! Im coming in my LAV.

150 SP from WP. 12,600 SP for the AV grenade that doesn't even one shot them. That's 84 free LABs you have to down with a militia swarm launcher.

Even then, Prototype AV grenades don't one shot them. I still call imbalanced design.

There is a free swarm fit. Guess they are not teaching you everything in school.

Soooo by your logic,If something is overpowered or grossly overused,it is ok as long as it gives points when killed? When a TAC AR wielder gets killed he gives points,better cancel that slight nerf.

You need to throw better. Seriously, aim for the freaking hood. Most of the ones you be throwing at are likely to be wounded from previous crashes. Set yourself in a place where if an LAV does try to run you over you can dodge it and laugh at their misfortune as they become stuck. Such as right next to the first supply depot by the table top on line harvest, got an LLAV the other day stuck there and well with a convenient supply of AV grenades you can guess what happened.

I can't even one shot militia LAVs with my proto railgun but you don't see me complaining.

Completely missed the point but whatever, CPM aren't for balancing anyway. GTFO of the thread.

My problem is people are trying to get something nerfed that almost doesn't need it and the only reason why free lavs are so obnoxious is the simple fact people don't want to go AV. I mean at the start of this little rampage I was on average the only AV on the field. Now a days its 2-3 guys that swap to AV weapons and setups.

Go tell that to the guys who specialize in AV and have to make due with the BS. Forge gun doesn't do much good when you can't get out of the way for a second shot. Supply depots aren't always on hand. Swarms barely keep up. Finally, there's so much AV Grenade QQ it's laughable, and I bet you're all for that.

My problem is people are trying to get something nerfed that almost doesn't need it and the only reason why free lavs are so obnoxious is the simple fact people don't want to go AV. I mean at the start of this little rampage I was on average the only AV on the field. Now a days its 2-3 guys that swap to AV weapons and setups.

1. If you are forge gunning (LAV) you should NOT be in a place that you can get ran over. Use the terrain, use your damn sensors, use the uplinks that are safe.
2. Squad up with a Logi
3. Calculate your swarm shots on the LAV better, know when to launch and when not to launch.
4. Yeah sometimes the grenade misses or nicks the vehicle and sometimes it hits the pilot and sometimes it hits the critical spot and blow up the LAV. I am sure its more of a problem shared by the mass driver and flaylock at times.

Edit: I paid aurum for my' free' AV suit and all of the modules except one, the AV grenade at a low low price of 4k.

My problem with free LAV's is that they're too effective. Yes, you can quickly drop everything you're doing, including your playstyle, JUST to take out one single LAV, or you can go Proto AV Grenades and hope to 2-shot them, or you can just give up and let stupid players misuse them and play a game of GTA in what is supposed to be a tactical shooter. LAV's are unpunishable unless you have completely prepared for it, and even once you DO kill it, they're free, and you'll have to keep switching to crappy AV until they stop, which they won't.

If people just used them right, I'd be fine. But 90% of LAV users now do nothing but drive around seeking roadkills.

My problem with free LAV's is that they're too effective. Yes, you can quickly drop everything you're doing, including your playstyle, JUST to take out one single LAV, or you can go Proto AV Grenades and hope to 2-shot them, or you can just give up and let stupid players misuse them and play a game of GTA in what is supposed to be a tactical shooter. LAV's are unpunishable unless you have completely prepared for it, and even once you DO kill it, they're free, and you'll have to keep switching to crappy AV until they stop, which they won't.

If people just used them right, I'd be fine. But 90% of LAV users now do nothing but drive around seeking roadkills.

My problem is people are trying to get something nerfed that almost doesn't need it and the only reason why free lavs are so obnoxious is the simple fact people don't want to go AV. I mean at the start of this little rampage I was on average the only AV on the field. Now a days its 2-3 guys that swap to AV weapons and setups.

Rubbish, no one wants to nerf the dedicated LAV drivers, if someone wants to spend millions of SP and tonnes of ISK being a LAV expert, more power to him. People are just sick of the swarms of no-risk, indestructible, free LAV. Make it cost, reduce its HPs a tad, leave the other LAVs as is, done.

You have to live as AV for 3/4 of the match if you want to keep up with the number of free LAVs on the field.

Rubbish, no one wants to nerf the dedicated LAV drivers, if someone wants to spend millions of SP and tonnes of ISK being a LAV expert, more power to him. People are just sick of the swarms of no-risk, indestructible, free LAV. Make it cost, reduce its HPs a tad, leave the other LAVs as is, done.

You have to live as AV for 3/4 of the match if you want to keep up with the number of free LAVs on the field.

Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness

Well sister, I rather have one guy be a combat effective anti vehicle guy than having my entire squad being biological speed bumps.

Then advocate to remove BPO MLT LAVs. I have yet to see a valid argument as to why these are even provided.

My logic dictates that killing militia LAVs are so pathetically easy as an bare fit AV soldier its near effortless and essentially free points.

Its the LLAVs that give me a run for my money, or me being out of ammo.

I can aim a forge gun just fine btw, I just cant get to the superior position it demands for its use, anti-infantry typically kill me enroute.