I don't know what kind of skill multipliers the OP used in his calculations to determine that 1.2M SP is needed to skill into LLAV's, I did it with a starter SP char today.

Vehicle Command I: 6,220 SP

Caldari LAV I: 24,880. II: 74,600. III: 174,120

Caldari Logistics LAV I: 31,000

For a total of 310,920 SP To a logistics LAV.

Not that I'm complaining about LLAV's being OP, my beef is with Free militia BPO LAV's. Who the Hell ever thought they needed a 60% HP buff?! Seriously where the hell did that come from.

Honestly I think the problem lies in basic A/V weapons of all types no longer being able to OHK a Militia LAV, and people know this and take advantage of it to gain cheap kills.

Edit: An entirely militia fit Charbydis will run about 120K. Fit with a few Basic skill Shield modules and turret is up to around 150-160K. Although it will tank 4-5 MLT swarm volleys in succession and keep on trucking, 20+-0 is easy. Granted I've been playing academy battles with this char but I'm already at 12.07 k/d with 10,000 WP.

Yet Free LAVs are like free 150 points when they die.

Just snipe the guy out the front. And take it if its a LLAV ^^

Reminds me of last week. Was going full speed then I died all of a sudden going over that bridge between the two warehouses. Kill feed stated a Thale's. Props to whoever shot me. I do have a hard enough time making shots with ARs as it is.

I don't know what kind of skill multipliers the OP used in his calculations to determine that 1.2M SP is needed to skill into LLAV's, I did it with a starter SP char today.

Vehicle Command I: 6,220 SP

Caldari LAV I: 24,880. II: 74,600. III: 174,120

Caldari Logistics LAV I: 31,000

For a total of 310,920 SP To a logistics LAV.

Not that I'm complaining about LLAV's being OP, my beef is with Free militia BPO LAV's. Who the Hell ever thought they needed a 60% HP buff?! Seriously where the hell did that come from.

Honestly I think the problem lies in basic A/V weapons of all types no longer being able to OHK a Militia LAV, and people know this and take advantage of it to gain cheap kills.

Edit: An entirely militia fit Charbydis will run about 120K. Fit with a few Basic skill Shield modules and turret is up to around 150-160K. Although it will tank 4-5 MLT swarm volleys in succession and keep on trucking, 20+-0 is easy. Granted I've been playing academy battles with this char but I'm already at 12.07 k/d with 10,000 WP.

Now, I want you to drive around in said LLAV and compete against mine. The additional SP is spent on Core skills, a necessity if you want that LAV to survive the match, not just a throw away vehicle.

You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem and can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP.
Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much.
Watchout! Im coming in my LAV.

Because I am moot on the BPO issue. My opinion is invalid because I use said BPOs to kill BPO LAVs.

I did say nothing Advanced or Prototype but that was more of a counter Pay to Win argument.

My next question is what's the cost of a similarly fit LAV that has been giving you guys trouble? I mean look at the LLAV I know those have to be a bit more expensive yet they are definetly not free, they cost quite a bit of skill points to support and they certainly don't die to AV grenades that easy.

Also I am not sure if you noticed but the Dragonfly Scout is now on sale for Aurum. Which means future sales may include other former package exclusive stuff. Maybe in 3 months you can see the Ishukone Watch LAV being for free.

Because I am moot on the BPO issue. My opinion is invalid because I use said BPOs to kill BPO LAVs.

I did say nothing Advanced or Prototype but that was more of a counter Pay to Win argument.

My next question is what's the cost of a similarly fit LAV that has been giving you guys trouble? I mean look at the LLAV I know those have to be a bit more expensive yet they are definetly not free, they cost quite a bit of skill points to support and they certainly don't die to AV grenades that easy.

Also I am not sure if you noticed but the Dragonfly Scout is now on sale for Aurum. Which means future sales may include other former package exclusive stuff. Maybe in 3 months you can see the Ishukone Watch LAV being for free.

My problem is people are trying to get something nerfed that almost doesn't need it and the only reason why free lavs are so obnoxious is the simple fact people don't want to go AV. I mean at the start of this little rampage I was on average the only AV on the field. Now a days its 2-3 guys that swap to AV weapons and setups.

BS!!!!!!!!!!
PROTOTYPE swarm launcher plus damage mods plus proficiency and the LAV does not die from SEVERAL! hits.
LLAV

If a PROTOTYPE AV has problems killing a jeep then the game is broken.
respec and tossed swarm launcher ......lol on pile of useless weapons.

Yet Free LAVs are like free 150 points when they die.

It makes for bad gameplay, which is the real killer for me.

Yea it's really dumb the logistics lavs simply don't die I've seen ppl go 40 & 0 just by running ppl over a enemy got one stuck and it took me 6 lvl 3avs 2 lvl 4 assault forge shots and a random with a swarm to destroy it

and i've done games this good with an assault suit. wats ur point?

Here's my take on this.

I can go 16-1 with a tank maybe better maybe worse

I can go 20-0 or 30-0 with a logi LAV. Normally 20-0

I can go 20-0 or 30-0 with a proto suit and Duvolle TAC.

IMO. Infantry Complain to much and cry about how hard it is and think how easy mode Vehicles are.

Vehicles Such as LLAVs are fine maybe could have a speed reduction so it's used more for a LLAV instead of a murder Taxi.
PPL using Ars such just adapt or die AV nades
Tanks r hard to use and could we could use some proto tanks.

As far as this i shouldn't have to carry av crap. Then i hope Vehicles desimate you. You were not prepared for the situation and earned your fate.

My problem with free LAV's is that they're too effective. Yes, you can quickly drop everything you're doing, including your playstyle, JUST to take out one single LAV, or you can go Proto AV Grenades and hope to 2-shot them, or you can just give up and let stupid players misuse them and play a game of GTA in what is supposed to be a tactical shooter. LAV's are unpunishable unless you have completely prepared for it, and even once you DO kill it, they're free, and you'll have to keep switching to crappy AV until they stop, which they won't.

If people just used them right, I'd be fine. But 90% of LAV users now do nothing but drive around seeking roadkills.

Also I do like the idea of swapping out the BPO lav for a BPO land speeder when they come out. About half the guys I see use LAV's don't bother waiting for passengers anyway so might as well fix that problem and be done with it.

ccp screwed that idea up anyway by releasing lav bpo's in merc packs. it might have fixed the problem by swapping with the speeder but its too late now. and because people payed for the item its un-likely they would remove them now. although less access to free ones would be better in the long run

150 SP from WP. 12,600 SP for the AV grenade that doesn't even one shot them. That's 84 free LABs you have to down with a militia swarm launcher.

Even then, Prototype AV grenades don't one shot them. I still call imbalanced design.