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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:BOZ MR wrote:You all dumb@sses cry that LAVs are major problem amd can kill you with little skill investment. going into LLAV requires 1.2M SP whereas Swarm proto only cost 600K SP. Than swarms are not OP when we tankers talk about it. You deserved it by nerfing tankers that much. Watchout! Im coming in my LAV. Just to make sure everyone else wasn't crazy I did some testing.There is still a free LAV that umm ya,doesn't require a single sp or isk.Soooo it must just be you. Yet Free LAVs are like free 150 points when they die.
150 SP from WP. 12,600 SP for the AV grenade that doesn't even one shot them. That's 84 free LABs you have to down with a militia swarm launcher.
Even then, Prototype AV grenades don't one shot them. I still call imbalanced design. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1407
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
150 SP from WP. 12,600 SP for the AV grenade that doesn't even one shot them. That's 84 free LABs you have to down with a militia swarm launcher.
Even then, Prototype AV grenades don't one shot them. I still call imbalanced design.
You need to throw better. Seriously, aim for the freaking hood. Most of the ones you be throwing at are likely to be wounded from previous crashes. Set yourself in a place where if an LAV does try to run you over you can dodge it and laugh at their misfortune as they become stuck. Such as right next to the first supply depot by the table top on line harvest, got an LLAV the other day stuck there and well with a convenient supply of AV grenades you can guess what happened.
Completely missed the point but whatever, CPM aren't for balancing anyway. GTFO of the thread. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Completely missed the point but whatever, CPM aren't for balancing anyway. GTFO of the thread.
My problem is people are trying to get something nerfed that almost doesn't need it and the only reason why free lavs are so obnoxious is the simple fact people don't want to go AV. I mean at the start of this little rampage I was on average the only AV on the field. Now a days its 2-3 guys that swap to AV weapons and setups.
Go tell that to the guys who specialize in AV and have to make due with the BS. Forge gun doesn't do much good when you can't get out of the way for a second shot. Supply depots aren't always on hand. Swarms barely keep up. Finally, there's so much AV Grenade QQ it's laughable, and I bet you're all for that. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1408
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:11:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Completely missed the point but whatever, CPM aren't for balancing anyway. GTFO of the thread.
My problem is people are trying to get something nerfed that almost doesn't need it and the only reason why free lavs are so obnoxious is the simple fact people don't want to go AV. I mean at the start of this little rampage I was on average the only AV on the field. Now a days its 2-3 guys that swap to AV weapons and setups. Go tell that to the guys who specialize in AV and have to make due with the BS. Forge gun doesn't do much good when you can't get out of the way for a second shot. Supply depots aren't always on hand. Swarms barely keep up. Finally, there's so much AV Grenade QQ it's laughable, and I bet you're all for that. 1. If you are forge gunning (LAV) you should NOT be in a place that you can get ran over. Use the terrain, use your damn sensors, use the uplinks that are safe. 2. Squad up with a Logi 3. Calculate your swarm shots on the LAV better, know when to launch and when not to launch. 4. Yeah sometimes the grenade misses or nicks the vehicle and sometimes it hits the pilot and sometimes it hits the critical spot and blow up the LAV. I am sure its more of a problem shared by the mass driver and flaylock at times. Edit: I paid aurum for my' free' AV suit and all of the modules except one, the AV grenade at a low low price of 4k.
So I'm to understand that you're defending the bottom of the barrel gear, which is absolutely free of ISK, SP, and Aurum despite being in a position where you are to represent, to the best of your ability, what the players want? Hilarious.
No one is saying nerf SLAVs or LLAVs. Hell, were not even saying nerf Standard LAVs which also are BPOs. We're saying it's absolute BS that millions of SP and thousands of ISK doesn't reduce the amount of shots required to kill the damned things. Two Standard AV grenades or Two Proto AV grenades. But whatever, grandmaster doesn't care what the Players think, you're the Representative, not us.
Also, how's that Plasma Cannon 're-work looking, or is that another thing that's totally okay? |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1409
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:30:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:My problem with free LAV's is that they're too effective. Yes, you can quickly drop everything you're doing, including your playstyle, JUST to take out one single LAV, or you can go Proto AV Grenades and hope to 2-shot them, or you can just give up and let stupid players misuse them and play a game of GTA in what is supposed to be a tactical shooter. LAV's are unpunishable unless you have completely prepared for it, and even once you DO kill it, they're free, and you'll have to keep switching to crappy AV until they stop, which they won't.
If people just used them right, I'd be fine. But 90% of LAV users now do nothing but drive around seeking roadkills.
Dude,don't bother, if CCP listens to the CPM and the CPM don't listen to us then it'll take a Jita riot to get anything accomplished. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1409
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:47:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Completely missed the point but whatever, CPM aren't for balancing anyway. GTFO of the thread.
My problem is people are trying to get something nerfed that almost doesn't need it and the only reason why free lavs are so obnoxious is the simple fact people don't want to go AV. I mean at the start of this little rampage I was on average the only AV on the field. Now a days its 2-3 guys that swap to AV weapons and setups. Rubbish, no one wants to nerf the dedicated LAV drivers, if someone wants to spend millions of SP and tonnes of ISK being a LAV expert, more power to him. People are just sick of the swarms of no-risk, indestructible, free LAV. Make it cost, reduce its HPs a tad, leave the other LAVs as is, done. You have to live as AV for 3/4 of the match if you want to keep up with the number of free LAVs on the field.
Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1410
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness
Well sister, I rather have one guy be a combat effective anti vehicle guy than having my entire squad being biological speed bumps.
Then advocate to remove BPO MLT LAVs. I have yet to see a valid argument as to why these are even provided.
Edit: Give them an Aurum price and BPCs an ISK price. Same as everyone else in the game. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1410
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Which in turn reduces the entire teams effectiveness. A potential tide Turner goes down every time someone has to switch to AV to deal with one guy while the rest of his team are at peak combat effectiveness
Well sister, I rather have one guy be a combat effective anti vehicle guy than having my entire squad being biological speed bumps. Then advocate to remove BPO MLT LAVs. I have yet to see a valid argument as to why these are even provided. Because I am moot on the BPO issue. My opinion is invalid because I use said BPOs to kill BPO LAVs. I did say nothing Advanced or Prototype but that was more of a counter Pay to Win argument. My next question is what's the cost of a similarly fit LAV that has been giving you guys trouble? I mean look at the LLAV I know those have to be a bit more expensive yet they are definetly not free, they cost quite a bit of skill points to support and they certainly don't die to AV grenades that easy. Also I am not sure if you noticed but the Dragonfly Scout is now on sale for Aurum. Which means future sales may include other former package exclusive stuff. Maybe in 3 months you can see the Ishukone Watch LAV being for free.
Omg you are dense.
Yeah, the Dragonfly is on sale for AURUM. A lot of Aurum at that. A Baloch is 100% free. Start up a new character and - holy **** - there's a BPO vehicle in your assets that can take a LOT of punishment.
It doesn't matter what you think is moot. If you say grass is red and the rest of the world says green, it doesn't make you right. Grass doesn't magically turn red. Take a survey on how much of this Playerbase thinks MLT LAVs are BS and you'll see. Represent the players, not your misconceptions. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:46:00 -
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LLAVs should be a lot slower and all LAVs should have a forward facing turret shield. Make them more useful for frontline combat integrity of mobile cover and suppression. |
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