http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/0w2q1c/dust-514-review

whilst dust is far from perfect this review is the epitome of how useless big sites are when reviewing games these days

enjoy as they completely miss everything Dust 514 encompasses.

and i do literally mean "everything"

This guy needs to respec into Level 5 reviewing.

"It may be technically free, but it isn't worth a minute of your time"
Oh Schnap!

Holy ****, they actually think there are no ISK scrambler rifles...
Its bad research on their part, but the way the market is structured makes the AUR items more visible so its easy to get that impression.

EDIT: they do have a point about the lack of visible impact and connection with EVE.

enjoy as they completely miss everything Dust 514 encompasses.

and i do literally mean "everything"

He doesn't claim that there are no ISK scrambler rifles. He says that if you want a similar item using in-game currency, you should be prepared to spend a "significant amount of time and effort with rote, point-and-shoot grinding."

He makes many valid points. This game is incomplete and lacks content. It seems that many of you have forgotten how much of a retardedly tedious and boring grind-fest this game is for new players.

And yes, the game does lack content. Not really in terms of dropsuits, vehicles and guns; sure a lot is missing, but compared to a Halo or Killzone game, we have a lot of weapon types, plus all those variants and tiers.

They clearly forgot to put more than a few hours in before reviewing

You can only buy the scrambler rifles with real money.

A sniper rifle can cost $5 and you die once and it's gone.

Picking your dropsuit and fitting mean nothing, they all play out the same.

This guy needs to respec into Level 5 reviewing.

He said a few seconds later you can get similar stuff after using tons of SP on the skill tree.


That's not what he said, he said it'll run out after x number of times.


It's actually very true, not much changes other than speed, stamina and hp.


You need Listening 5.

[quote=KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf]
He makes many valid points. This game is incomplete and lacks content. It seems that many of you have forgotten how much of a retardedly tedious and boring grind-fest this game is for new players. It's very easy for new players to believe that they need to spend $ to play the game in its fullest or to be competitive, without having to spend months in the dull SP grind, and in a way they are right.

He said a few seconds later you can get similar stuff after using tons of SP on the skill tree.


That's not what he said, he said it'll run out after x number of times.


It's actually very true, not much changes other than speed, stamina and hp.


You need Listening 5.

You can only buy the scrambler rifles with real money. A sniper rifle can cost $5 and you die once and it's gone. Picking your dropsuit and fitting mean nothing, they all play out the same.

This guy needs to respec into Level 5 reviewing.

Wow this is a first blame it on the reviewer for saying a bad game is bad!

You fan boys really need to take the blinders off. Everything he said is true the battles are not fun shooting is bland.

These are things that we've been saying about Dust for over a year now and then when it releases you thought people would say hey it has potential in 10 years Dust will be fantastic! WTF is gonna wait for 10 years?

So.. does this mean Dust isn't going to get it's own flavor of Mountain Dew?

Wow this is a first blame it on the reviewer for saying a bad game is bad!

You fan boys really need to take the blinders off. Everything he said is true the battles are not fun shooting is bland.

These are things that we've been saying about Dust for over a year now and then when it releases you thought people would say hey it has potential in 10 years Dust will be fantastic! WTF is gonna wait for 10 years?

The only thing that this reviewer has a good point on are the lack of game modes and the lack of eve/Dust interaction. Beyond that, he's an idiot.

In the end, he has a valid set of points. I have yet to see one instance where EvE and Dust have anything more than a symbolic relationship. And I do find myself forcing my way through match after tedious match praying to God the next enhancement I skill into changes game-play one iota. I generally think the game is pretty good, but it isn't doing anything extremely new or cool.

PSU gave a good review, and this one is good too.

http://www.cgmagazine.ca/game-reviews/ps3-review/1241-dust-514.html


Geoff, obviously didn't play much of Dust...

Care to describe HOW he is a idiot?

The entire review is a blatantly obvious comparison to COD and the rest, with the reviewer not judging it on it's own merits.

Now, if the reviewer had done a shred of research and known the future plans of this game from CCP and mentioned that in his video, his score might be fair for what is in the game already.

But no, he doesn't. He judges it in a comparison to Battlefield and COD and the like, and even goes as far as saying that dropsuits don't matter, when anyone with any intelligence can tell you that heavy versus scout are both completely different ballgames.

He's obviously a fool, and should not have reviewed the game.

Reviews have NOTHING to do with future plans of a game. All those other chicken poop reviews you been watching where they go on praising the "potential" of this game are irrelevant in a review. The whole purpose of a review is to show the audience what the game has to offer RIGHT NOW. NOT what it has possibilities to offer in the future.

I felt the guy was dead on accurate with his review for Uprising514. I don't think he was constantly comparing it to COD he threw in a little joke this isn't about KDR and getting diamond guns. Not once did I hear him say this works much better in COD.

Reviews have NOTHING to do with future plans of a game. All those other chicken poop reviews you been watching where they go on praising the "potential" of this game are irrelevant in a review. The whole purpose of a review is to show the audience what the game has to offer RIGHT NOW. NOT what it has possibilities to offer in the future.

I've honestly not bothered watching any reviews of this game because I worked in the games journalism industry for a while and know that games like this will be torn to pieces by most. The reason is that reviewers don't have the time to spend really getting deep into a game and that is what is required to get the full experience of Dust 514. This is not the sort of short term arcade shooter that can be reviewed after a week of playing and the problem that this produces is that the only people who have played enough to be able to give a full and accurate review are people who have been playing a long time because they already love the game.

The reason is that reviewers don't have the time to spend really getting deep into a game and that is what is required to get the full experience of Dust 514. This is not the sort of short term arcade shooter that can be reviewed after a week of playing and the problem that this produces is that the only people who have played enough to be able to give a full and accurate review are people who have been playing a long time because they already love the game.

Guess we play Dust differently than, since 90% of my time spend in dust is "Shoot&Gun" like any other "short term arcade shooter" out there? So while i care about "potentially" plans with EvE integration, all i care atm is to have fun playing "Shoot&Gun" or using Vehicles.
So while the AUR/RM points of this review are misleading, anyone out there that ever played a FPS can judge and compare its core gameplay to any other FPS out there. Thats because at its core Dust does nothing spectacular new or special, that is relevant to your FPS experience.

So i don't get why Dust should get a special treatment, judging its core FPS mechanics, which are indeed just average?

I don't know why people are bashing on the review. The only outright lie I noticed right off the bat was him saying the scrambler rifle was behind a pay wall. Other than that, the rest of what he said was pretty accurate about the game...

If Activision, EA, and Valve were paying this guy to blatantly leave a big steaming pile on the game he could have at least talked about the real problems instead of making stuff up.

-Horrible hit detection and server latency.
-Unplayable levels of lag on complex maps and different server hosts.
-Flawed terrain rendering that causes invisible walls.
-Imbalanced weapons.
-Constant nerfings to niche playstyles while priority is given to generic ones.
-Lack of matchmaking and tutorials for new players.
-Seemingly pointless interaction with EVE Online, even in PC and especially FW.

See that? I just listed several things that could have been covered to warrant such a bad score but I used actual facts. You don't need to lie about Dust 514's problems when there are so many that are as subtle as a kick to the groin.

You are assuming he played the other builds to know that it isn't on par with the other builds. He is oblivious, some people don't play beta's his job is to review the final version of the released product. Perhaps he thought the game was running the way it was intended to be ran. He couldn't tell it was lag because he had nothing to really compare it to as far as other builds. He prob just thought his aiming was bad.

He was doing work with the SP and HMG which actually do work so his aim isn't that shotty. But my point is that you can tell he simply played for ~5 battles in the academy and went on to almost completely bash the game with the bias of a greased palm. MMOHUT spends more time reviewing games than this guy did reviewing the game. Nothing about vehicles, the different suit classes, weapon types, or anything about the squad dynamic. Quite frankly, I'm disappointed because he was aiming for half ass but wound up with 1/16th. The only thing he did get right were the tutorials and the lack of EVE involvement.

He played more than 5 battles. Other morons are saying he lied that SR are Aur he didn't say they were he said the name of the variant that is Aur based. He was only honest in the entire review he didn't bash the game for the sake of bashing he was just pointing out a few flaws and did it hilariously

He played more than 5 battles. Other morons are saying he lied that SR are Aur he didn't say they were he said the name of the variant that is Aur based. He was only honest in the entire review he didn't bash the game for the sake of bashing he was just pointing out a few flaws and did it hilariously

He described a scrambler rifle as a cool weapon and talked about how it works and such. There are variants that are obviously not behind a paywall that function exactly the same way. It was a dishonest comment, you imbecile.

He played more than 5 battles. Other morons are saying he lied that SR are Aur he didn't say they were he said the name of the variant that is Aur based. He was only honest in the entire review he didn't bash the game for the sake of bashing he was just pointing out a few flaws and did it hilariously

The reviewer couldn't be bothered to point out that there's an isk variant of the same gun. This gives the outside impression of SCRs beeing AUR only.

If he knew that there's an ISK variant than that's called deception by omission and is technically equivalent to lying. If he didn't than he failed to do basic research wich undermines any credibility of his statements.

His job is to properly inform consumers on the qualities of a product and provide an educated if also subjective assesment. The subjective part is open for discussion. Stating falsehoods as fact, thereby leading to ill informed consumer decisions is a clear failure, be it deliberate or not.

Watched the review, and that guy must of played 10 minutes and logged off, one of the worst reviews ever and completly full of hate. He does have some points but most of them are completly false. But we gotta be honest also, CCP brought this unto themselves, they should had never released the game on 14/5. It was a rushed launch that while helping the initial boost (check the increasing player count in server) its only going to hinder it in the long run when hacks like this reviewer who expect a cod/bf clone try to play it and its so daunting that that bash it without giving it a chance.

he made a couple of valid points but most of the stuff he said was subjective.

however i do agree that when compared to older iterations, modern skirmish feels way too generic.

Ya in 10 mins he clearly played like 10 maps with AR and played like 20 more maps. I guess you couldn't notice the environments changing? Blue dots....

Oh great elitist player who clearly should of learned about "hyperbole" and clearly should of learned about something called editing and making a point.

If you watch it again he says the ASHBOURNE Scrambler Rifle which is the Aur variant.

Clearly don't like the truth huh?

HAHA you must not play PC.

He never made clear what "Ashborne" means. No one who didn't know beforehand could know this is a specific AUR variant of an isk weapon that is readily available. Without these details, viewers are deceived into believing that there is no isk variant and that theres no way to get its funcionality without paying AUR. We know this is wrong but no one could know otherwise just by watching this video.

What baffles me is the fact that all the people who seem to hate this game, still put in effort to post on the forums. If you really hate it, grow a pair and leave, no one is forcing you to stay here and the ge is free...

What baffles me is the fact that all the people who seem to hate this game, still put in effort to post on the forums. If you really hate it, grow a pair and leave, no one is forcing you to stay here and the ge is free...

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There's a lot of XB adverts over there, even tho it itself isn't an absolute indication.

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There's a lot of XB adverts over there, even tho it itself isn't an absolute indication.

Lol! Are you sure? Right after that he says there is variants that can be bought with in game resources but they are a expensive and can be a grind to get them......Lol......Checkm8.....

Did you guys even watch the review? I am starting to think you didn't....Lol!

I expected it to be bad, but dayum, 4.4. Dust gets a solid 6 in my book as a shooter, and 9-10 for potential. Nevertheless, their main criticisms were perfectly valid, although there were some plain mistakes in the review.

I've been warning about the poor gunplay for months, and have said several times the game was released too early. It is a closed beta quality product now, and should have not been given out to the masses, yet. CCP can only blame themselves.

I expected it to be bad, but dayum, 4.4. Dust gets a solid 6 in my book as a shooter, and 9-10 for potential. Nevertheless, their main criticisms were perfectly valid, although there were some plain mistakes in the review.

I've been warning about the poor gunplay for months, and have said several times the game was released too early. It is a closed beta quality product now, and should have not been given out to the masses, yet. CCP can only blame themselves.

What baffles me is the fact that all the people who seem to hate this game, still put in effort to post on the forums. If you really hate it, grow a pair and leave, no one is forcing you to stay here and the ge is free...

Can't rate a game on potential only in the now. Dust is a 4.4 as a shooter it's below sub par

MMORPGs are rated on potential. That's why they have revisits a year after release or after a new expansion. MMOFPS shouldn't be any different.

Apart from the misinformation about the Scrambler Rifles the reviewer is right.

The game is awful. The shooting is poor. The distinction between drop suits is almost non existent. Balancing is atrociously bad. Barely any connectivity with eve and that's only some of the points.

We're in release now and CCP really need to step up their game. At the moment I wouldn't recommend this shooter to anyone and the only reason I'm playing it is in the dull hope that someone at CCP get's their head on straight and starts getting things rolling.

But right now that guys review gives a higher score than I'd give dust.

Did anyone get the user name or Character name that genius used?

I say, we keep a tab on that and kick his *** if ever we see his name. 200K ISK bounty per kill...

The review of Dust was fair and honest, Everyone just keeps focusing on the Scramble Rifle a very small part of the review to prove its all wrong. You cant even feel sorry for CCP for a review like this, all these problems were stated back in November while we were all waiting for a 6 month update that fixed nothing talked about. It was also stated to both Eve players and CCP that Dust would be reviewed by the same people that love COD, BF3, Killzone, Halo, and other FPS games so get it right before the release. Instead of fixing their game they plugged their ears to FPS players concerns and went la la la la la you dont know what your talking about while encouraged to do so by Eve players.

And thankfully so. The ignorance displayed by this reviewer is exactly the kind of people that I'd rather not see in Dust, or more importantly the Dust forums begging for COD New Eden.

Dust doesn't need the playerbase of the FPS majors, and it will continue to improve. What we have right now is merely the foundation.

"Oh noes, i have to think to do things.

I just wanted to pick a class and be done with it =("

He did also talk about the poor shooter mechanics or are you only trying to focus on one part of the review to make yourself better?

Once again we don't want COD New Eden but at least a good FPS. Dust as a FPS is below par. It's the worst FPS ever created TBH. The RPG element is nice but CCP didn't seem to give a **** about the core of the game that they constantly call a AAA shooter. Dust is a failure because of EVE players and CCP's inability to listen to the FPS players.

So while you keep your elitist attitude towards FPS players who play COD/BF3/MAG etc You're the reason Dust will die!

He doesn't claim that there are no ISK scrambler rifles. He says that if you want a similar item using in-game currency, you should be prepared to spend a "significant amount of time and effort with rote, point-and-shoot grinding."

He makes many valid points. This game is incomplete and lacks content. It seems that many of you have forgotten how much of a retardedly tedious and boring grind-fest this game is for new players.... without having to spend months in the dull SP grind, and in a way they are right.

Everyone know about the problem with the mechanics. No one denies it. It will be tweaked, adjusted, improved every expansion.

Your point?

Dust isn't going anywhere. Also, Dust will be a better game because of the "Eve elitists", but it won't be COD New Eden thankfully. The only thing that would cause Dust to die is if it became COD New Eden, or, just like the other fpses.

It should've been fixed before launch! Dust has been in beta for a year in dev for longer than that and now they want to fix the foundation after they already built the ******* house!

It took them a year to get the game to launch in its current state so the game will be reviewed in it's current state. Not a year from now not 2, or, 3 or, 4 or, 5 or, 6. Take the blinders off your face! Dust is a horrible FPS and a worse RPG. It's not even a real MMOFPS. 18 v 18 is not MMO being tied to EVE does not make it an MMO, instanced battles does not make it an MMO. No real cutomization outside of your character looking like a spreadsheet. Poor quality game modes that are rip offs of other games. Hey lets do BF conquest but throw a ship in the sky.

Yeah I'm sure CCP's target audience was EVE online players by putting it on the console.

You are right about one thing Dust wont be going anywhere at all!

Reviews have NOTHING to do with future plans of a game. All those other chicken poop reviews you been watching where they go on praising the "potential" of this game are irrelevant in a review. The whole purpose of a review is to show the audience what the game has to offer RIGHT NOW. NOT what it has possibilities to offer in the future.

I felt the guy was dead on accurate with his review for Uprising514. I don't think he was constantly comparing it to COD he threw in a little joke this isn't about KDR and getting diamond guns. Not once did I hear him say this works much better in COD.

You need to learn to read between the lines when people speak.

As it is, his score would be fair if he actually played it for more than a day. I'm well aware this game has issues.... but half that review is outright lies.

Is it really necessary to blame FPS players or EVE players for all that ails the game? Both views are BS!

The game has elements of both involved... and yes... it's up to CCP to find the mix. Don't be blaming people who focus on a different aspect than you just because you can't have everything your way.

If you want to be listened to try some respectful constructive criticism that would help the reader figure out how to fix the issues you report. Clue, saying "it sucks" is not helpful.

Frankly, while I had my mitts in EVE first I do want a fun to play FPS and I do want skill progression and deeper game play concepts involved -- or I'll get bored quickly.

A view that is not the exact equivalent of your own does not equate to stupidity or wrongness.

In the end, he has a valid set of points. I have yet to see one instance where EvE and Dust have anything more than a symbolic relationship.

[I and numerous other FPS players have been calling for fixes for months on end. Yet CCP introduces brand new bugs at launch, some of them gamebreaking for many players.

You are using the word "symbiotic" wrong as that would entail that they both share features that without the other would perish, or simply be hampered. If Eve didnt exist, Dust would die, however if Dust died I dare say no one in Eve would really notice. Eve and Dust share about the same relationship as Star Wars movies share with The Clone Wars on cartoon network. They may be in the same Universe, they may reference the same planets and events, but other then that there is no connection.

Sure, and if you get past the fact that there are differences of opinion here and there you'll find that many folks with an EVE background agree that fixing the FPS would be a good idea... I'm one of them. I'd also like more so-called content and so on as well.

I don't think anyone asked for new bugs.

But it is common that us FPS players are viewed as a nuisance on these forums by EVE players playing Dust (I've played EVE as well, but am an FPS player at heart), yet it is us who know how to make Dust into a good game - not MMORPG players. Yes, I said that. CCP has either decided to ignore some of our most vocal complaints, and ideas for improvement, or are incompetent at prioritization or FPS game design. Either way, I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the state of the game, and pessimistic about its prospects in the future.

And the more we have bad but fair reviews like this, the fewer players we get. And it doesn't matter if the person viewing the review is an FPS player or MMORPG player, it is unlikely they will even give Dust the chance.

But it is common that us FPS players are viewed as a nuisance on these forums by EVE players playing Dust (I've played EVE as well, but am an FPS player at heart), yet it is us who know how to make Dust into a good game - not MMORPG players. Yes, I said that. CCP has either decided to ignore some of our most vocal complaints, and ideas for improvement, or are incompetent at prioritization or FPS game design. Either way, I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the state of the game, and pessimistic about its prospects in the future.

I think that cuts both ways. FPS players often view MMORPG style players as a nuisance and vice-versa. How about we listen to FPS players for FPS mechanics and MMORPG players for MMORPG mechanics? It's CCPs job to figure out how to apply the vulcan mind meld and come up with something good on both fronts.

No argument there. There was also a thread with some young sounding guy finding it difficult to figure out what the game as about. No end of crapping on the guy from players here about not being the type of player we want. What the hell?

We need to get new people in, have them keep playing because it plays well and is fun, and then have them develop into the depth of the game because they are seriously drawn to it. We can't expect them to spend a week reading up on everything before giving the game a try.

Anyway, obviously not directed at you, but holy crap do we have asshats in the forum here or what?

Main complaints were perfectly valid. Dust is a poor FPS, there's no way around it. And it will justly be judged as an FPS. If the FPS mechanics don't improve - like us FPS players have been demanding and giving them feedback for close to a year -, Dust will die slowly.

If you can't admit this reviewer has no idea what he's talking about, did not do research, and lied numerous times.... we have nothing to discuss; as you are obviously a trolling hater looking for any excuse to trash Dust.

You are using the word "symbiotic" wrong as that would entail that they both share features that without the other would perish, or simply be hampered. If Eve didnt exist, Dust would die, however if Dust died I dare say no one in Eve would really notice. Eve and Dust share about the same relationship as Star Wars movies share with The Clone Wars on cartoon network. They may be in the same Universe, they may reference the same planets and events, but other then that there is no connection.

It says symbolic, and even then your description of symbiotic is a little bit off, symbiotic simple means both organisms benefit from each other not a requirement of each other to survive, for example E. Coli in our stomachs, it is a symbiotic relationship because they provide a bacterial flora that keeps other harmful bacteria away, and produce Vitamin K2, while we provide them a home with food. But if they died we wouldn't die and if we died they would just live in our stomachs until they run out of food of get passed to another animals stomach, maggots, that ingest us.

Disagree. First, you have to know what constitutes a good game. I count none of the CoD series, or the BF (apart from 1942) series to be any good. Why? CoD is essentially a beefed up, dumbed down version of CS, which, IMO, is a lot more fun, a lot more fast paced, and incredibly addicting. The original still has 30k+ players fourteen years on.

In essence, I'm challenging the casual FPS crowd on their claim that they know what constitutes a good game. CoD and BF have stagnated over the years, providing the same basic gameplay without any innovation or ingenuity, solely with prettier graphics.

I can't classify any of the modern FPS games to be good. The shooter mechanics are all similar, the gameplay is similar, the only things different are some basic features, the setting, and (if there is one) the story. I find them fun, yes, but good? If anything, average. Well, Borderlands was good.

Essentially, the "hardcore" FPS crowd these days don't have the faintest clue at what constitutes a good shooter, simply because they're used to the average. This may mean DUST is below average, shooter wise, but it does NOT mean you have the right to call first dibs on any changes. It does NOT mean you have the right to claim "I know how, CCP listen to me!". It does NOT mean you have the right to shout down EVE players on what constitutes a good shooter. DUST will be more like EVE than any shooter. Does this mean EVE players have more say? No. What it means that your claims of "I'm a hardcore shooter, my views are more valid" are completely idiotic.

A lot of EVE players have played shooters. Most, if not all, EVE players who play DUST have played shooters. Does this mean, just because they have the "downside" of having played EVE, they shouldn't be listened to? Simply because they know New Eden much better than you do, they know how CCP does things?

Get your head out of your *** and stop spouting absolute ****.

If you can't admit this reviewer has no idea what he's talking about, did not do research, and lied numerous times.... we have nothing to discuss; as you are obviously a trolling hater looking for any excuse to trash Dust.

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Nice try.

So you resort to Ad Hominems instead of proving me wrong.

Awesome stuff.

Spot on review. I used to post things like what this review talks about and now I dont have to. Saves me a bunch of time and stress instead of arguing with the fanboys. Now thousands of people can see the true face of dust while all the fanboys can do is preach to the choir.

This game doesn't need a patch, it needs a doctor.

Spot on review. I used to post things like what this review talks about and now I dont have to. Saves me a bunch of time and stress instead of arguing with the fanboys. Now thousands of people can see the true face of dust while all the fanboys can do is preach to the choir.