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Serah Phymne
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:59:00 -
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Apart from the misinformation about the Scrambler Rifles the reviewer is right.
The game is awful. The shooting is poor. The distinction between drop suits is almost non existent. Balancing is atrociously bad. Barely any connectivity with eve and that's only some of the points.
We're in release now and CCP really need to step up their game. At the moment I wouldn't recommend this shooter to anyone and the only reason I'm playing it is in the dull hope that someone at CCP get's their head on straight and starts getting things rolling.
But right now that guys review gives a higher score than I'd give dust. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Planetary Response Organization
47
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:21:00 -
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Jenova's Witness wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:I expected it to be bad, but dayum, 4.4. Dust gets a solid 6 in my book as a shooter, and 9-10 for potential. Nevertheless, their main criticisms were perfectly valid, although there were some plain mistakes in the review.
I've been warning about the poor gunplay for months, and have said several times the game was released too early. It is a closed beta quality product now, and should have not been given out to the masses, yet. CCP can only blame themselves. Can't rate a game on potential only in the now. Dust is a 4.4 as a shooter it's below sub par MMORPGs are rated on potential. That's why they have revisits a year after release or after a new expansion. MMOFPS shouldn't be any different.
This particular MMOFPS is pretty much an MOFPS, because I've yet to see anything massive. MMORPGs let you wander from town to town, meeting all kinds of people conversationally (within gameplay no less), and cobble together a unique character from those experiences. Dust jams a gun in your hand and lets you fight 16 v 16, with your uniqueness swallowed up in a series of either off-balance or derivative skirmishes as you try out a few suits and weapons/equipment. Hence, I would call Dust a COFPS: customizable online FPS. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:24:00 -
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its not even worthy of the title of review. It's someone else take information and then twisting it.
That has a name.
Its called propaganda. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:25:00 -
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Serah Phymne wrote:Apart from the misinformation about the Scrambler Rifles the reviewer is right.
The game is awful. The shooting is poor. The distinction between drop suits is almost non existent. Balancing is atrociously bad. Barely any connectivity with eve and that's only some of the points.
We're in release now and CCP really need to step up their game. At the moment I wouldn't recommend this shooter to anyone and the only reason I'm playing it is in the dull hope that someone at CCP get's their head on straight and starts getting things rolling.
But right now that guys review gives a higher score than I'd give dust.
Which begs the question.
Why are you still here? |
Dr Stabwounds
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
38
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:36:00 -
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That was a horrible review and kind of encompasses what's wrong with reviews in general. Misinformed their viewers multiple times. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
355
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:20:00 -
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Hey, I might be a fan boy, but seriously, you can't bash someone who hasn't spent six months playing DUST for not understanding how things work.
There is no way you can expect these guys to spend weeks playing the game just so they can learn enough to write a review. I swear, do some of you folks even interact with the real world? Hint, your mom's basement is a special wormhole that shields you from reality.
I play the game. I don't QQ about ****. I recognize there are issues. I recognize there is potential. I didn't read the ****ing manual before I played.
Stop looking down on everyone who hasn't put in the time. Having learned something does not make you smarter than someone who has not put in the time yet -- it simply gives you a head start. Are you that desperate to elevate yourself that you'd use that crutch.
Hahahaha, noob reviewer doesn't get it, wow, is he stupid.
Hello, veteran player is an ***hole. Wow, he's really the stupid one. Fanboy or hater - it applies to both types. |
Muramasa Armads
Defensores Doctrina
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:31:00 -
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What a lazy review of Dust 514. That reviewer did a terrible job and was very misleading to his audience. He probably played Dust 514 for an hour and then made this garbage review. IGÇÖm amazed that he had to make things up in order to find negatives with this game. The negatives are overwhelmingly with this game especially with Uprising, but this dope didn't highlight any of them. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
607
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:46:00 -
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That was an extremely lazy review of DUST. Unbelievably so. How do I know that for a fact?
His character was Game Trailers. It was created on 2013.05.22 00:40. He played the game for less than a day and lambasted it. Most games have a review copy sent out a week before release, and reviews come out either shortly after or about a week after release. This was the case with Skyrim.
In short, he spent a mere day playing it. Less, even, since he would have had to edit the footage and provide the voiceover. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
225
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:46:00 -
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Did anyone get the user name or Character name that genius used?
I say, we keep a tab on that and kick his *** if ever we see his name. 200K ISK bounty per kill... |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
127
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:07:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Did anyone get the user name or Character name that genius used?
I say, we keep a tab on that and kick his *** if ever we see his name. 200K ISK bounty per kill... We can be pretty sure that this character will never be seen again.
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meri jin
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:41:00 -
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Holy Cow, this is really bed for CCP. Gametrailers have a lot of viewers. I would like to see what CCP will do about this, because this is a major HP out there and they will miss a lot of potential players. |
Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
223
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:57:00 -
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He thought PC was a game mode in eve.....
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meri jin
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:05:00 -
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GT won't make another review, I have never seen this in years. Even if the game changed drastically. |
Crm234
Wraith Shadow Guards
173
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:23:00 -
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The review of Dust was fair and honest, Everyone just keeps focusing on the Scramble Rifle a very small part of the review to prove its all wrong. You cant even feel sorry for CCP for a review like this, all these problems were stated back in November while we were all waiting for a 6 month update that fixed nothing talked about. It was also stated to both Eve players and CCP that Dust would be reviewed by the same people that love COD, BF3, Killzone, Halo, and other FPS games so get it right before the release. Instead of fixing their game they plugged their ears to FPS players concerns and went la la la la la you dont know what your talking about while encouraged to do so by Eve players.
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Baldr Grimm
OSG Planetary Operations
9
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:24:00 -
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A lot of the reviewers for this game seems to almost be proud of the massive shield of ignorance they wield.
"Yeah, I played for an afternoon, I think I know everything there is to know." |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
496
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:26:00 -
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Crm234 wrote:The review of Dust was fair and honest, Everyone just keeps focusing on the Scramble Rifle a very small part of the review to prove its all wrong. You cant even feel sorry for CCP for a review like this, all these problems were stated back in November while we were all waiting for a 6 month update that fixed nothing talked about. It was also stated to both Eve players and CCP that Dust would be reviewed by the same people that love COD, BF3, Killzone, Halo, and other FPS games so get it right before the release. Instead of fixing their game they plugged their ears to FPS players concerns and went la la la la la you dont know what your talking about while encouraged to do so by Eve players.
And thankfully so. The ignorance displayed by this reviewer is exactly the kind of people that I'd rather not see in Dust, or more importantly the Dust forums begging for COD New Eden.
Dust doesn't need the playerbase of the FPS majors, and it will continue to improve. What we have right now is merely the foundation. |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
302
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:33:00 -
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"Oh noes, i have to think to do things.
I just wanted to pick a class and be done with it =(" |
Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:33:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Crm234 wrote:The review of Dust was fair and honest, Everyone just keeps focusing on the Scramble Rifle a very small part of the review to prove its all wrong. You cant even feel sorry for CCP for a review like this, all these problems were stated back in November while we were all waiting for a 6 month update that fixed nothing talked about. It was also stated to both Eve players and CCP that Dust would be reviewed by the same people that love COD, BF3, Killzone, Halo, and other FPS games so get it right before the release. Instead of fixing their game they plugged their ears to FPS players concerns and went la la la la la you dont know what your talking about while encouraged to do so by Eve players.
And thankfully so. The ignorance displayed by this reviewer is exactly the kind of people that I'd rather not see in Dust, or more importantly the Dust forums begging for COD New Eden. Dust doesn't need the playerbase of the FPS majors, and it will continue to improve. What we have right now is merely the foundation.
Once again we don't want COD New Eden but at least a good FPS. Dust as a FPS is below par. It's the worst FPS ever created TBH. The RPG element is nice but CCP didn't seem to give a **** about the core of the game that they constantly call a AAA shooter. Dust is a failure because of EVE players and CCP's inability to listen to the FPS players.
So while you keep your elitist attitude towards FPS players who play COD/BF3/MAG etc You're the reason Dust will die! |
Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:35:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:"Oh noes, i have to think to do things.
I just wanted to pick a class and be done with it =("
He did also talk about the poor shooter mechanics or are you only trying to focus on one part of the review to make yourself better? |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
305
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:39:00 -
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Elrick Mercer wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:"Oh noes, i have to think to do things.
I just wanted to pick a class and be done with it =(" He did also talk about the poor shooter mechanics or are you only trying to focus on one part of the review to make yourself better?
Everyone know about the problem with the mechanics. No one denies it. It will be tweaked, adjusted, improved every expansion.
Your point? |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
496
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:41:00 -
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Elrick Mercer wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Crm234 wrote:The review of Dust was fair and honest, Everyone just keeps focusing on the Scramble Rifle a very small part of the review to prove its all wrong. You cant even feel sorry for CCP for a review like this, all these problems were stated back in November while we were all waiting for a 6 month update that fixed nothing talked about. It was also stated to both Eve players and CCP that Dust would be reviewed by the same people that love COD, BF3, Killzone, Halo, and other FPS games so get it right before the release. Instead of fixing their game they plugged their ears to FPS players concerns and went la la la la la you dont know what your talking about while encouraged to do so by Eve players.
And thankfully so. The ignorance displayed by this reviewer is exactly the kind of people that I'd rather not see in Dust, or more importantly the Dust forums begging for COD New Eden. Dust doesn't need the playerbase of the FPS majors, and it will continue to improve. What we have right now is merely the foundation. Once again we don't want COD New Eden but at least a good FPS. Dust as a FPS is below par. It's the worst FPS ever created TBH. The RPG element is nice but CCP didn't seem to give a **** about the core of the game that they constantly call a AAA shooter. Dust is a failure because of EVE players and CCP's inability to listen to the FPS players. So while you keep your elitist attitude towards FPS players who play COD/BF3/MAG etc You're the reason Dust will die! Dust isn't going anywhere. Also, Dust will be a better game because of the "Eve elitists", but it won't be COD New Eden thankfully. The only thing that would cause Dust to die is if it became COD New Eden, or, just like the other fpses. |
Specter RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
101
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:46:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Holy ****, they actually think there are no ISK scrambler rifles... Its bad research on their part, but the way the market is structured makes the AUR items more visible so its easy to get that impression.
EDIT: they do have a point about the lack of visible impact and connection with EVE. He doesn't claim that there are no ISK scrambler rifles. He says that if you want a similar item using in-game currency, you should be prepared to spend a "significant amount of time and effort with rote, point-and-shoot grinding." He makes many valid points. This game is incomplete and lacks content. It seems that many of you have forgotten how much of a retardedly tedious and boring grind-fest this game is for new players.... without having to spend months in the dull SP grind, and in a way they are right.
Sounds like a MMORPG to me.
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Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:49:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:"Oh noes, i have to think to do things.
I just wanted to pick a class and be done with it =(" He did also talk about the poor shooter mechanics or are you only trying to focus on one part of the review to make yourself better? Everyone know about the problem with the mechanics. No one denies it. It will be tweaked, adjusted, improved every expansion. Your point? It should've been fixed before launch! Dust has been in beta for a year in dev for longer than that and now they want to fix the foundation after they already built the ******* house!
It took them a year to get the game to launch in its current state so the game will be reviewed in it's current state. Not a year from now not 2, or, 3 or, 4 or, 5 or, 6. Take the blinders off your face! Dust is a horrible FPS and a worse RPG. It's not even a real MMOFPS. 18 v 18 is not MMO being tied to EVE does not make it an MMO, instanced battles does not make it an MMO. No real cutomization outside of your character looking like a spreadsheet. Poor quality game modes that are rip offs of other games. Hey lets do BF conquest but throw a ship in the sky. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Gentlemen's Agreement
121
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:51:00 -
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This is the review folks will see and will turn many away , he did have many good points, like its only feel like we grinding for the nest thing we whant, its deathmatch all the way, and its to alike BF and COD it does not stand out.
But it will , but the goal out there will be hard to reach. I have faith. |
Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:51:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Crm234 wrote:The review of Dust was fair and honest, Everyone just keeps focusing on the Scramble Rifle a very small part of the review to prove its all wrong. You cant even feel sorry for CCP for a review like this, all these problems were stated back in November while we were all waiting for a 6 month update that fixed nothing talked about. It was also stated to both Eve players and CCP that Dust would be reviewed by the same people that love COD, BF3, Killzone, Halo, and other FPS games so get it right before the release. Instead of fixing their game they plugged their ears to FPS players concerns and went la la la la la you dont know what your talking about while encouraged to do so by Eve players.
And thankfully so. The ignorance displayed by this reviewer is exactly the kind of people that I'd rather not see in Dust, or more importantly the Dust forums begging for COD New Eden. Dust doesn't need the playerbase of the FPS majors, and it will continue to improve. What we have right now is merely the foundation. Once again we don't want COD New Eden but at least a good FPS. Dust as a FPS is below par. It's the worst FPS ever created TBH. The RPG element is nice but CCP didn't seem to give a **** about the core of the game that they constantly call a AAA shooter. Dust is a failure because of EVE players and CCP's inability to listen to the FPS players. So while you keep your elitist attitude towards FPS players who play COD/BF3/MAG etc You're the reason Dust will die! Dust isn't going anywhere. Also, Dust will be a better game because of the "Eve elitists", but it won't be COD New Eden thankfully. The only thing that would cause Dust to die is if it became COD New Eden, or, just like the other fpses.
Yeah I'm sure CCP's target audience was EVE online players by putting it on the console.
You are right about one thing Dust wont be going anywhere at all! |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
305
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:56:00 -
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Elrick Mercer wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:"Oh noes, i have to think to do things.
I just wanted to pick a class and be done with it =(" He did also talk about the poor shooter mechanics or are you only trying to focus on one part of the review to make yourself better? Everyone know about the problem with the mechanics. No one denies it. It will be tweaked, adjusted, improved every expansion. Your point? It should've been fixed before launch! Dust has been in beta for a year in dev for longer than that and now they want to fix the foundation after they already built the ******* house! It took them a year to get the game to launch in its current state so the game will be reviewed in it's current state. Not a year from now not 2, or, 3 or, 4 or, 5 or, 6. Take the blinders off your face! Dust is a horrible FPS and a worse RPG. It's not even a real MMOFPS. 18 v 18 is not MMO being tied to EVE does not make it an MMO, instanced battles does not make it an MMO. No real cutomization outside of your character looking like a spreadsheet. Poor quality game modes that are rip offs of other games. Hey lets do BF conquest but throw a ship in the sky.
Again: Everyone know about the problem with the mechanics. No one denies it. It will be tweaked, adjusted, improved every expansion.
If you-¦re not satisfied with the current gameplay, return when it-¦s better. It may take a long time. If you-¦re not satisfied with the current features, return when it-¦s better. It may take a long time. If you eventually return, don-¦t complain about SP gap between players. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
496
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:57:00 -
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Elrick Mercer wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Crm234 wrote:The review of Dust was fair and honest, Everyone just keeps focusing on the Scramble Rifle a very small part of the review to prove its all wrong. You cant even feel sorry for CCP for a review like this, all these problems were stated back in November while we were all waiting for a 6 month update that fixed nothing talked about. It was also stated to both Eve players and CCP that Dust would be reviewed by the same people that love COD, BF3, Killzone, Halo, and other FPS games so get it right before the release. Instead of fixing their game they plugged their ears to FPS players concerns and went la la la la la you dont know what your talking about while encouraged to do so by Eve players.
And thankfully so. The ignorance displayed by this reviewer is exactly the kind of people that I'd rather not see in Dust, or more importantly the Dust forums begging for COD New Eden. Dust doesn't need the playerbase of the FPS majors, and it will continue to improve. What we have right now is merely the foundation. Once again we don't want COD New Eden but at least a good FPS. Dust as a FPS is below par. It's the worst FPS ever created TBH. The RPG element is nice but CCP didn't seem to give a **** about the core of the game that they constantly call a AAA shooter. Dust is a failure because of EVE players and CCP's inability to listen to the FPS players. So while you keep your elitist attitude towards FPS players who play COD/BF3/MAG etc You're the reason Dust will die! Dust isn't going anywhere. Also, Dust will be a better game because of the "Eve elitists", but it won't be COD New Eden thankfully. The only thing that would cause Dust to die is if it became COD New Eden, or, just like the other fpses. Yeah I'm sure CCP's target audience was EVE online players by putting it on the console. You are right about one thing Dust wont be going anywhere at all!
Dust's target audience are people that pay. And you're right, Dust will be here, evolving, for a long time.
Currently, Dust's concurrent playerbase is between 1/4 and 1/3 that of Eve. Now, obviously, I don't know how the revenue compares, but let me just reiterate - Dust doesn't need, and would be worse off, with the kind of player that the reviewer represents.
Having said that, the reviewer raises some valid points, but many others are way off. For example, the oft mentioned gold scrambler rifle. The complaints about suits all seeming the same, the sound effects, the skill tree. Let's be honest, if you can't tell the difference, qualitatively or quantitatively, between a scout or a heavy, you are of subpar intellect. He's also way off with the summary "Dust isn't even worth one minute of your time"
These sorts of baseless complaints come from people that want Dust to be COD New Eden. You should be able to log in and own up. no thought required, no tactics, no squadding, no metagame, nothing.
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Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
160
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:48:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:Wow this is a first blame it on the reviewer for saying a bad game is bad!
You fan boys really need to take the blinders off. Everything he said is true the battles are not fun shooting is bland.
These are things that we've been saying about Dust for over a year now and then when it releases you thought people would say hey it has potential in 10 years Dust will be fantastic! WTF is gonna wait for 10 years? The only thing that this reviewer has a good point on are the lack of game modes and the lack of eve/Dust interaction. Beyond that, he's an idiot. Care to describe HOW he is a idiot? The entire review is a blatantly obvious comparison to COD and the rest, with the reviewer not judging it on it's own merits. Now, if the reviewer had done a shred of research and known the future plans of this game from CCP and mentioned that in his video, his score might be fair for what is in the game already. But no, he doesn't. He judges it in a comparison to Battlefield and COD and the like, and even goes as far as saying that dropsuits don't matter, when anyone with any intelligence can tell you that heavy versus scout are both completely different ballgames. He's obviously a fool, and should not have reviewed the game. Reviews have NOTHING to do with future plans of a game. All those other chicken poop reviews you been watching where they go on praising the "potential" of this game are irrelevant in a review. The whole purpose of a review is to show the audience what the game has to offer RIGHT NOW. NOT what it has possibilities to offer in the future. I felt the guy was dead on accurate with his review for Uprising514. I don't think he was constantly comparing it to COD he threw in a little joke this isn't about KDR and getting diamond guns. Not once did I hear him say this works much better in COD.
You need to learn to read between the lines when people speak.
As it is, his score would be fair if he actually played it for more than a day. I'm well aware this game has issues.... but half that review is outright lies.
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Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
554
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:17:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:You need to learn to read between the lines when people speak.
As it is, his score would be fair if he actually played it for more than a day. I'm well aware this game has issues.... but half that review is outright lies.
Main complaints were perfectly valid. Dust is a poor FPS, there's no way around it. And it will justly be judged as an FPS. If the FPS mechanics don't improve - like us FPS players have been demanding and giving them feedback for close to a year -, Dust will die slowly. |
ReGnUm AwOx Dei
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:21:00 -
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Have faith ye |
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