Is it really necessary to blame FPS players or EVE players for all that ails the game? Both views are BS!

The game has elements of both involved... and yes... it's up to CCP to find the mix. Don't be blaming people who focus on a different aspect than you just because you can't have everything your way.

If you want to be listened to try some respectful constructive criticism that would help the reader figure out how to fix the issues you report. Clue, saying "it sucks" is not helpful.

Frankly, while I had my mitts in EVE first I do want a fun to play FPS and I do want skill progression and deeper game play concepts involved -- or I'll get bored quickly.

A view that is not the exact equivalent of your own does not equate to stupidity or wrongness.

In the end, he has a valid set of points. I have yet to see one instance where EvE and Dust have anything more than a symbolic relationship.

[I and numerous other FPS players have been calling for fixes for months on end. Yet CCP introduces brand new bugs at launch, some of them gamebreaking for many players.

You are using the word "symbiotic" wrong as that would entail that they both share features that without the other would perish, or simply be hampered. If Eve didnt exist, Dust would die, however if Dust died I dare say no one in Eve would really notice. Eve and Dust share about the same relationship as Star Wars movies share with The Clone Wars on cartoon network. They may be in the same Universe, they may reference the same planets and events, but other then that there is no connection.

Sure, and if you get past the fact that there are differences of opinion here and there you'll find that many folks with an EVE background agree that fixing the FPS would be a good idea... I'm one of them. I'd also like more so-called content and so on as well.

I don't think anyone asked for new bugs.

But it is common that us FPS players are viewed as a nuisance on these forums by EVE players playing Dust (I've played EVE as well, but am an FPS player at heart), yet it is us who know how to make Dust into a good game - not MMORPG players. Yes, I said that. CCP has either decided to ignore some of our most vocal complaints, and ideas for improvement, or are incompetent at prioritization or FPS game design. Either way, I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the state of the game, and pessimistic about its prospects in the future.

And the more we have bad but fair reviews like this, the fewer players we get. And it doesn't matter if the person viewing the review is an FPS player or MMORPG player, it is unlikely they will even give Dust the chance.

But it is common that us FPS players are viewed as a nuisance on these forums by EVE players playing Dust (I've played EVE as well, but am an FPS player at heart), yet it is us who know how to make Dust into a good game - not MMORPG players. Yes, I said that. CCP has either decided to ignore some of our most vocal complaints, and ideas for improvement, or are incompetent at prioritization or FPS game design. Either way, I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the state of the game, and pessimistic about its prospects in the future.

I think that cuts both ways. FPS players often view MMORPG style players as a nuisance and vice-versa. How about we listen to FPS players for FPS mechanics and MMORPG players for MMORPG mechanics? It's CCPs job to figure out how to apply the vulcan mind meld and come up with something good on both fronts.

No argument there. There was also a thread with some young sounding guy finding it difficult to figure out what the game as about. No end of crapping on the guy from players here about not being the type of player we want. What the hell?

We need to get new people in, have them keep playing because it plays well and is fun, and then have them develop into the depth of the game because they are seriously drawn to it. We can't expect them to spend a week reading up on everything before giving the game a try.

Anyway, obviously not directed at you, but holy crap do we have asshats in the forum here or what?

Main complaints were perfectly valid. Dust is a poor FPS, there's no way around it. And it will justly be judged as an FPS. If the FPS mechanics don't improve - like us FPS players have been demanding and giving them feedback for close to a year -, Dust will die slowly.

If you can't admit this reviewer has no idea what he's talking about, did not do research, and lied numerous times.... we have nothing to discuss; as you are obviously a trolling hater looking for any excuse to trash Dust.

You are using the word "symbiotic" wrong as that would entail that they both share features that without the other would perish, or simply be hampered. If Eve didnt exist, Dust would die, however if Dust died I dare say no one in Eve would really notice. Eve and Dust share about the same relationship as Star Wars movies share with The Clone Wars on cartoon network. They may be in the same Universe, they may reference the same planets and events, but other then that there is no connection.

It says symbolic, and even then your description of symbiotic is a little bit off, symbiotic simple means both organisms benefit from each other not a requirement of each other to survive, for example E. Coli in our stomachs, it is a symbiotic relationship because they provide a bacterial flora that keeps other harmful bacteria away, and produce Vitamin K2, while we provide them a home with food. But if they died we wouldn't die and if we died they would just live in our stomachs until they run out of food of get passed to another animals stomach, maggots, that ingest us.

Disagree. First, you have to know what constitutes a good game. I count none of the CoD series, or the BF (apart from 1942) series to be any good. Why? CoD is essentially a beefed up, dumbed down version of CS, which, IMO, is a lot more fun, a lot more fast paced, and incredibly addicting. The original still has 30k+ players fourteen years on.

In essence, I'm challenging the casual FPS crowd on their claim that they know what constitutes a good game. CoD and BF have stagnated over the years, providing the same basic gameplay without any innovation or ingenuity, solely with prettier graphics.

I can't classify any of the modern FPS games to be good. The shooter mechanics are all similar, the gameplay is similar, the only things different are some basic features, the setting, and (if there is one) the story. I find them fun, yes, but good? If anything, average. Well, Borderlands was good.

Essentially, the "hardcore" FPS crowd these days don't have the faintest clue at what constitutes a good shooter, simply because they're used to the average. This may mean DUST is below average, shooter wise, but it does NOT mean you have the right to call first dibs on any changes. It does NOT mean you have the right to claim "I know how, CCP listen to me!". It does NOT mean you have the right to shout down EVE players on what constitutes a good shooter. DUST will be more like EVE than any shooter. Does this mean EVE players have more say? No. What it means that your claims of "I'm a hardcore shooter, my views are more valid" are completely idiotic.

A lot of EVE players have played shooters. Most, if not all, EVE players who play DUST have played shooters. Does this mean, just because they have the "downside" of having played EVE, they shouldn't be listened to? Simply because they know New Eden much better than you do, they know how CCP does things?

Get your head out of your *** and stop spouting absolute ****.

If you can't admit this reviewer has no idea what he's talking about, did not do research, and lied numerous times.... we have nothing to discuss; as you are obviously a trolling hater looking for any excuse to trash Dust.

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Nice try.

So you resort to Ad Hominems instead of proving me wrong.

Awesome stuff.

Spot on review. I used to post things like what this review talks about and now I dont have to. Saves me a bunch of time and stress instead of arguing with the fanboys. Now thousands of people can see the true face of dust while all the fanboys can do is preach to the choir.

This game doesn't need a patch, it needs a doctor.

Spot on review. I used to post things like what this review talks about and now I dont have to. Saves me a bunch of time and stress instead of arguing with the fanboys. Now thousands of people can see the true face of dust while all the fanboys can do is preach to the choir.