Go minmatar scout and nova knives

Because I'm nuts.

Or hopeful.

Or just stupid.

Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.


Goodbye HP, I knew thee well.

Go minmatar scout and nova knives

Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits.

Will it?!

Where's your source?

In EVE this isn't the case completely. While there are cloaking options for all ships, they have significant disadvantages to those that are offered by the spec/cov ops frames

Will it?!

Where's your source?

In EVE this isn't the case completely. While there are cloaking options for all ships, they have significant disadvantages to those that are offered by the spec/cov ops frames

I am so tempted to do the same. I am torn.

I am currently scout, planning to respec logi.


My reason being is the ease in which you can farm sp's in ambush after cap. Capping at 1k is almost guaranteed as a slayer logi because of the current wp mechanics afforded to logi's additional equipment slots.

Really, really, hard though. I love scout, it's my playstyle. My hope is that with the additonal SP's i'll be able to farm with time invested i'll be able to fill out my slayer logi tree and throw some secondary sp's into my scout.

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/


The second item is a Cloaking Field. This sneaky bit of kit will not only make you (almost) invisible to other combatants, it will also blind turret AI targeting systems. It isnGÇÖt perfect invisibility, scanners will still pick you up if you havenGÇÖt masked your signal well enough, motion will disrupt the field to some extent and weapon fire will cause the field to shut down. This means it will take some skill to use to its maximum potential. This item is going to be a real game changer, particularly for Scout dropsuits which have been screaming out for stealth gear.

Basically they only say it will help scouts because we have been crying out for a buff for some time... Naturally our lower scan profile will help but yet again... Logis can do it better.

Logis have worse base stats out of all the suits and no sidearm at the cost of more slots. If a logi can do a scout's job better it's because they paid more (isk and SP) to do it with their fittings. A scout's base stats determine their role and bonuses to that role. Base stats with no fitting wise, scouts have the advantage because of their higher stamina and the smaller hit box. Logis can just be made to be faster and tankier for more isk.

Honestly, I think that's part of the problem. I mean, it's fun to have a lot of slots, guys, even if it means less base stats, because everyone loves customising their suits. With the scout suits customisation is very limited compared to a logi or an assault suit. That combined with the facts that scout has very few slots and also doesn't have great base stats either and you have a situation where a scout is very a unattractive suit.

The other thing is, that no matter how much logi pays in ISK, it just shouldn't be a better scout than a scout is. At least in my mind that makes absolutely no sense.

lower CPU/PG and slot allocation actually helps too, because it forces me to choose what's necessary between what's just extra fluff.

When Caldari scouts are added, I hope the drawbacks to shield tanking will be added as well. In EVE shields increase your scan signature and make it easier for enemies to lock onto you faster. In Dust, I would presume that the previous would be copied and pasted while your hit box is sufficiently larger until your shields deplete. If not, Caldari scouts will be as broken as Caldari Logis appear to be.

Gallente is the better scout period. The low slots are scouts need and the scanning is what I'm going to specialize in. But a logi could still due a scan roll almost as good as me and walk in with drop uplinks, nanos, and shield boosters to be almost twice as survivable.

Worse is better because its worse.

Good argument.

Because I'm nuts.

Or hopeful.

Or just stupid.

Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.


Goodbye HP, I knew thee well.

I going Scout too.... my advice to you will be this ;

Forget about K/D ratio, and say hello to WP. Scout is a WP machine.

Maybe, but unless your squad is rock solid and tactically deep, they're going to want you to be running something with more punch and less "I just got killed".

What about orbitals ? ...the scout can build WP's very quickly, faster than any other class.

I for one have never understood the appeal of orbitals. You wait for long minutes to do them, take a wild shot, and hit four, maybe five people. Meanwhile, some snert in a heavy suit just racked up 23 kills, while a tank rolls around and gets 30 more.

The scout can build WP's very quickly, faster than any other class.

Faster than 30 kills a match? Most orbitals I see are two-kill hits.

Because I'm nuts.

Or hopeful.

Or just stupid.

Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way.

You know what.... yes, you are right, 30 kills is more important than orbital strikes..

Everyone attack this Corp !! free districts !!

A. My corp wouldn't know what to do with a district if they had one.

2. You didn't refute my point, you just went squee.

IV. I don't set policy for my corp concerning orbital strikes.

B. When I see an orbital strike take out half the map inside the first five minutes of a match, I'll concede the point. Winning matches wins districts, right? Or do they just hand over districts based on orbital strike count?

Faster than 30 kills a match? Most orbitals I see are two-kill hits

If your going to call people out then...



Yes, you gain WP faster then just getting kills. wtf do you even mean by faster then 30 kills a match? kills are only worth 50 points so 30 kills is only 1500 points. not enough for an orbital. He was saying that using a scout suit you can cap objectives faster and rack up WP faster. not that he would get more kills with orbitals then a heavy. So it is you that misunderstood, dont try to call him out when you dont even know what hes talking about

I love my scout but how is a Minnie logi not the best capper in the game? Throw him/her into an LAV with maxed Hack skills, maxed Logi skills, and 3x Hacking module and you've got someone who hacks at greater than 2x speed and then, to top it off, you can even throw on a hefty shield tank.

Disclaimer: No, I don't run the said build above currently and I haven't done the CPU/PG breakdown but the hacking modules would take precedence over anything else in this role and I know you can fit 3.

no one has the proto level of everything that is valuable to them.

It may be possible that a logi, with all their modules, could out do a scout role if they had all proto modules for speed, melee, scanning stuff, etc. you don't seem to see that you are talking about having every slot proto-fit.

On top of that what logis are you speaking to? The AMARR or Caldari? Certainly not, maybe the Gallente, or Minmatar? Possibly a proto Gallente or Minmatar with all their highs and lows maybe they could do it.

1.What about without proto gear?

4. And how much SP are we talking about in investing into these mods to make a logi into a scout? IF it is more than what it costs a scout to do so then the point is moot as well.

I love playing a minnie scout.

Nova Knives and sneaking around? OHKs. I don't even bother switching to my subby most times.

Plus it's just plain fun. far more rewarding. Maken Tosch has it right.

You have the numbers, go look them up in the marketplace. If you're trying to specialize the Logi will win hands down almost every time with few exceptions.

I play scout almost exclusively, have since closed beta but we're definitely fighting an uphill battle here. Usually I snipe so the benefits far outweigh the cons (getting to/fitting in places that others can't) but any sort of front-line action you'd best take another suit. I'm hoping cloaking, EWAR, etc will all come in to make our role a bit better.

Right now we can:
1) Run fast
2) Jump high


That's about all we've got innately against other suits.

You have the numbers, go look them up in the marketplace. If you're trying to specialize the Logi will win hands down almost every time with few exceptions.

I play scout almost exclusively, have since closed beta but we're definitely fighting an uphill battle here. Usually I snipe so the benefits far outweigh the cons (getting to/fitting in places that others can't) but any sort of front-line action you'd best take another suit. I'm hoping cloaking, EWAR, etc will all come in to make our role a bit better.

Right now we can:
1) Run fast
2) Jump high


That's about all we've got innately against other suits.

Forgot shield recharging and shield recharge time.

This is your groups argument, not mine - i don't need to look up the numbers. You bring the numbers and then the rest of the forum can bicker about them and see what you are wanting to show. My position is "show me". Take the time to teach me. Take the time to build your argument. I have no investment in it but I will get behind it if you can show me, if you can teach me how to come to your conclusion.

If you desire not to do so i understand that too, it takes a lot to build up something like that and a lot of time. I'm not hazing or trolling, just asking for information if you would like to share it. I wish you the best and to win your battle for definition, if that indeed exists, by bringing a structured argument before CCP. Good luck

They need to make it faster or give it more Low Slots.

Clearly, you haven't even LOOKed at the stats on each suit, you are just theoretically opposing me. And when it comes down to it, Logi ALWAYS beat a scout in their roles because of the bonus fitting ability. A scout can't even use all of their slots with proto level gear, where a logi could use everything a scout can AND have extra to make up its disadvantages or boost the specialized advantage even farther.

TL;DR just read this last paragraph ^

Would love to, you're talking to the guy who made excel sheets of the entire E3 build with stat comparisons for scout classes. But unfortunately I'm at work and have finals. If you want me to prove it its going to be a few days. Or you could just go look in the marketplace.

Also, shield recharging delay time is better on one of the logis. The recharging speed is much faster yes, but currently we don't have a caldari scout so they are naturally not good at shield tanking so this advantage doesn't get capitalized on. the recharge speed is not what scouts need, they need a better delay timer, but again Logis can do this better.

Basically this thread wasn't about WHY the logi's are overpowered and outclass Scouts. It was about what I feel after reaching conclusions that many others have about the current state of scout, and talking about what I am personally doing about it. Expect a WHY thread at a different date in time.

My point is that the overall value of a scout is a tough thing to see when you are focused on winning matches. If a scout's entire resume is "I get you orbital strikes 11% faster, while dying if someone breathes on me firmly.", many squad leaders are going to wish they just had another solid logi with hacking boosters getting those points for them. Plus, if you go back and read my response, you'll see that I am not actually slamming on scouts, but asking for clarification on how an orbital getting lets say 5 to 10 kills per match is somehow better than a good gunner of any stripe.

asking for clarification on how an orbital getting lets say 5 to 10 kills per match is somehow better than a good gunner of any stripe

*cough*cloaking!*cough*

I miss the two equipment slots on my Scout suit :(

Went half Scout and half Logi with Uprising, but pretty set on going full out Scout with the respec. Like the OP I know I can do better with the logi, but I choose scout anyways. I guess since I know this is the last respec we'll likely ever get I'm just hopeful that the scout will one day be a viable option in competitive play.


Same. I always carry uplinks with my scout, that's not debatable for me, however I'd like to carry just one more item like in Chromosome. I'd gladly trade a weapon too, since at the moment I run a Shotgun/Flaylock combo but hardly ever use the shotgun.

Because I'm nuts.

Or hopeful.

Or just stupid.

Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.


Goodbye HP, I knew thee well.

its not a bad suit! enjoy it it gets results in pubs and PC with a shotty. but yeah i did scout cuz its not mainstream tooo

Because I'm nuts.

Or hopeful.

Or just stupid.

Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.


Goodbye HP, I knew thee well.