What about orbitals ? ...the scout can build WP's very quickly, faster than any other class.

I for one have never understood the appeal of orbitals. You wait for long minutes to do them, take a wild shot, and hit four, maybe five people. Meanwhile, some snert in a heavy suit just racked up 23 kills, while a tank rolls around and gets 30 more.

The scout can build WP's very quickly, faster than any other class.

Faster than 30 kills a match? Most orbitals I see are two-kill hits.

Because I'm nuts.

Or hopeful.

Or just stupid.

Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way.

You know what.... yes, you are right, 30 kills is more important than orbital strikes..

Everyone attack this Corp !! free districts !!

A. My corp wouldn't know what to do with a district if they had one.

2. You didn't refute my point, you just went squee.

IV. I don't set policy for my corp concerning orbital strikes.

B. When I see an orbital strike take out half the map inside the first five minutes of a match, I'll concede the point. Winning matches wins districts, right? Or do they just hand over districts based on orbital strike count?

Faster than 30 kills a match? Most orbitals I see are two-kill hits

If your going to call people out then...



Yes, you gain WP faster then just getting kills. wtf do you even mean by faster then 30 kills a match? kills are only worth 50 points so 30 kills is only 1500 points. not enough for an orbital. He was saying that using a scout suit you can cap objectives faster and rack up WP faster. not that he would get more kills with orbitals then a heavy. So it is you that misunderstood, dont try to call him out when you dont even know what hes talking about

I love my scout but how is a Minnie logi not the best capper in the game? Throw him/her into an LAV with maxed Hack skills, maxed Logi skills, and 3x Hacking module and you've got someone who hacks at greater than 2x speed and then, to top it off, you can even throw on a hefty shield tank.

Disclaimer: No, I don't run the said build above currently and I haven't done the CPU/PG breakdown but the hacking modules would take precedence over anything else in this role and I know you can fit 3.

no one has the proto level of everything that is valuable to them.

It may be possible that a logi, with all their modules, could out do a scout role if they had all proto modules for speed, melee, scanning stuff, etc. you don't seem to see that you are talking about having every slot proto-fit.

On top of that what logis are you speaking to? The AMARR or Caldari? Certainly not, maybe the Gallente, or Minmatar? Possibly a proto Gallente or Minmatar with all their highs and lows maybe they could do it.

1.What about without proto gear?

4. And how much SP are we talking about in investing into these mods to make a logi into a scout? IF it is more than what it costs a scout to do so then the point is moot as well.

I love playing a minnie scout.

Nova Knives and sneaking around? OHKs. I don't even bother switching to my subby most times.

Plus it's just plain fun. far more rewarding. Maken Tosch has it right.

You have the numbers, go look them up in the marketplace. If you're trying to specialize the Logi will win hands down almost every time with few exceptions.

I play scout almost exclusively, have since closed beta but we're definitely fighting an uphill battle here. Usually I snipe so the benefits far outweigh the cons (getting to/fitting in places that others can't) but any sort of front-line action you'd best take another suit. I'm hoping cloaking, EWAR, etc will all come in to make our role a bit better.

Right now we can:
1) Run fast
2) Jump high


That's about all we've got innately against other suits.

You have the numbers, go look them up in the marketplace. If you're trying to specialize the Logi will win hands down almost every time with few exceptions.

I play scout almost exclusively, have since closed beta but we're definitely fighting an uphill battle here. Usually I snipe so the benefits far outweigh the cons (getting to/fitting in places that others can't) but any sort of front-line action you'd best take another suit. I'm hoping cloaking, EWAR, etc will all come in to make our role a bit better.

Right now we can:
1) Run fast
2) Jump high


That's about all we've got innately against other suits.

Forgot shield recharging and shield recharge time.

This is your groups argument, not mine - i don't need to look up the numbers. You bring the numbers and then the rest of the forum can bicker about them and see what you are wanting to show. My position is "show me". Take the time to teach me. Take the time to build your argument. I have no investment in it but I will get behind it if you can show me, if you can teach me how to come to your conclusion.

If you desire not to do so i understand that too, it takes a lot to build up something like that and a lot of time. I'm not hazing or trolling, just asking for information if you would like to share it. I wish you the best and to win your battle for definition, if that indeed exists, by bringing a structured argument before CCP. Good luck

They need to make it faster or give it more Low Slots.

Clearly, you haven't even LOOKed at the stats on each suit, you are just theoretically opposing me. And when it comes down to it, Logi ALWAYS beat a scout in their roles because of the bonus fitting ability. A scout can't even use all of their slots with proto level gear, where a logi could use everything a scout can AND have extra to make up its disadvantages or boost the specialized advantage even farther.

TL;DR just read this last paragraph ^

Would love to, you're talking to the guy who made excel sheets of the entire E3 build with stat comparisons for scout classes. But unfortunately I'm at work and have finals. If you want me to prove it its going to be a few days. Or you could just go look in the marketplace.

Also, shield recharging delay time is better on one of the logis. The recharging speed is much faster yes, but currently we don't have a caldari scout so they are naturally not good at shield tanking so this advantage doesn't get capitalized on. the recharge speed is not what scouts need, they need a better delay timer, but again Logis can do this better.

Basically this thread wasn't about WHY the logi's are overpowered and outclass Scouts. It was about what I feel after reaching conclusions that many others have about the current state of scout, and talking about what I am personally doing about it. Expect a WHY thread at a different date in time.