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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:35:00 -
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Because I'm nuts.
Or hopeful.
Or just stupid.
Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.
Goodbye HP, I knew thee well. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:43:00 -
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Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits. And profile dampening is only useful if people cared about increasing their range. But it's less costly to just equip a scanner that will pick me up easy preasy unless I spend a ton of points decreasing profile and even then it doesn't help much. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:44:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Go minmatar scout and nova knives
Logi can do it better |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:49:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits. Will it?! Where's your source? In EVE this isn't the case completely. While there are cloaking options for all ships, they have significant disadvantages to those that are offered by the spec/cov ops frames
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/
The second item is a Cloaking Field. This sneaky bit of kit will not only make you (almost) invisible to other combatants, it will also blind turret AI targeting systems. It isnGÇÖt perfect invisibility, scanners will still pick you up if you havenGÇÖt masked your signal well enough, motion will disrupt the field to some extent and weapon fire will cause the field to shut down. This means it will take some skill to use to its maximum potential. This item is going to be a real game changer, particularly for Scout dropsuits which have been screaming out for stealth gear. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:51:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Because I'm nuts.
Or hopeful.
Or just stupid.
Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.
Goodbye HP, I knew thee well. I am so tempted to do the same. I am torn. I am currently scout, planning to respec logi. My reason being is the ease in which you can farm sp's in ambush after cap. Capping at 1k is almost guaranteed as a slayer logi because of the current wp mechanics afforded to logi's additional equipment slots. Really, really, hard though. I love scout, it's my playstyle. My hope is that with the additonal SP's i'll be able to farm with time invested i'll be able to fill out my slayer logi tree and throw some secondary sp's into my scout.
LOOK AT WHAT YOU DO TO US CCP! We are a class without a suit. Lost and alone, clinging onto whatever will help save us. ;)
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:55:00 -
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Basically they only say it will help scouts because we have been crying out for a buff for some time... Naturally our lower scan profile will help but yet again... Logis can do it better. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:06:00 -
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Until scouts get more CPU and PG logis will be better. There's no sense talking base stat balance or isk balance, I don't care about that, I care about Max proto items and the fact that I can't fit my whole load out because of CPU and PG |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:21:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: lower CPU/PG and slot allocation actually helps too, because it forces me to choose what's necessary between what's just extra fluff.
Worse is better because its worse.
Good argument. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:26:00 -
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Gallente is the better scout period. The low slots are scouts need and the scanning is what I'm going to specialize in. But a logi could still due a scan roll almost as good as me and walk in with drop uplinks, nanos, and shield boosters to be almost twice as survivable. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:27:00 -
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The day scouts are fixed will be the day Caldari Scouts are added. Shield yanking scouts will be stupid OP |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:50:00 -
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Zeveross wrote:I love my scout but how is a Minnie logi not the best capper in the game? Throw him/her into an LAV with maxed Hack skills, maxed Logi skills, and 3x Hacking module and you've got someone who hacks at greater than 2x speed and then, to top it off, you can even throw on a hefty shield tank.
Disclaimer: No, I don't run the said build above currently and I haven't done the CPU/PG breakdown but the hacking modules would take precedence over anything else in this role and I know you can fit 3.
You're definitely starting to get it. Just by the sheer nature of having more slots and almost 33% more CPU and PG the Logi can make up an base stat difference and out preform in any role the scout would be good in. |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:28:00 -
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double post; editted out |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:29:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: no one has the proto level of everything that is valuable to them. False, When specializing a speed Scout you can fit exactly 4 complex catalyzers, one proto shotgun, and one equipment before you cap out on PG. (That's After getting your PG bonus to lvl 5 too). All of these would take you less than 5mil SP. Or you could go scanning for less than 4.5mil SP. It wouldn't take long at all to be completely capped with proto level everything on a scout and then the remaining SP would go into Passive bonuses.
RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:It may be possible that a logi, with all their modules, could out do a scout role if they had all proto modules for speed, melee, scanning stuff, etc. you don't seem to see that you are talking about having every slot proto-fit. I am DEFINITELY talking about having every slot proto-fit. Why not? Why would you invest yourself into a specialization that isn't better than a different role at the end of the SP grind?
RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:On top of that what logis are you speaking to? The AMARR or Caldari? Certainly not, maybe the Gallente, or Minmatar? Possibly a proto Gallente or Minmatar with all their highs and lows maybe they could do it. Match them up race to race. Amarr and Caldari scouts aren't out yet, so why would you try to beat a Gallente with a Caldari? Cross race speccing is not generally effective. Minmatar logi can out sprint a Minmatar scout EASILY! Minmatar scout only has 2 Low slots and the minmatar could boost its speed ABOVE a min scout AND have left over CPU/PG for equipment and have more health. As for Gallente, the extra high slots means that a gallente logi can shield boost WHILE approaching the max speed of a gallente scout.
RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:1.What about without proto gear? Without proto gear you haven't deviated far enough from a base for the suit specific bonuses to matter. And I fight other protos in PC, why would I ever care about a basic suit vs basic suit fight? If I'm in a pub I don't care about balance. But when people are packing TARs that kill a scout is 2 hits, you have to have a reliable advantage! But that advantage disappears if a logi can have more health, or equipment, or damage, or speed, or range, than a scout AND turn around and spec into a slayer without having to place SP into a new catagory like someone who specced scout would have to.
RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:4. And how much SP are we talking about in investing into these mods to make a logi into a scout? IF it is more than what it costs a scout to do so then the point is moot as well.
Like I said above, a logi is Less SP intensive because they are more versitile. If I wanted to have a slayer build or a medic build as a scout, I would have to put SP into an assault or logi tree, but a Logi is ALREADY THERE.
Clearly, you haven't even LOOKed at the stats on each suit, you are just theoretically opposing me. And when it comes down to it, Logi ALWAYS beat a scout in their roles because of the bonus fitting ability. A scout can't even use all of their slots with proto level gear, where a logi could use everything a scout can AND have extra to make up its disadvantages or boost the specialized advantage even farther.
TL;DR just read this last paragraph ^ |
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:27:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:Zeveross wrote:You have the numbers, go look them up in the marketplace. If you're trying to specialize the Logi will win hands down almost every time with few exceptions.
I play scout almost exclusively, have since closed beta but we're definitely fighting an uphill battle here. Usually I snipe so the benefits far outweigh the cons (getting to/fitting in places that others can't) but any sort of front-line action you'd best take another suit. I'm hoping cloaking, EWAR, etc will all come in to make our role a bit better.
Right now we can: 1) Run fast 2) Jump high
That's about all we've got innately against other suits. Forgot shield recharging and shield recharge time. This is your groups argument, not mine - i don't need to look up the numbers. You bring the numbers and then the rest of the forum can bicker about them and see what you are wanting to show. My position is "show me". Take the time to teach me. Take the time to build your argument. I have no investment in it but I will get behind it if you can show me, if you can teach me how to come to your conclusion. If you desire not to do so i understand that too, it takes a lot to build up something like that and a lot of time. I'm not hazing or trolling, just asking for information if you would like to share it. I wish you the best and to win your battle for definition, if that indeed exists, by bringing a structured argument before CCP. Good luck
Would love to, you're talking to the guy who made excel sheets of the entire E3 build with stat comparisons for scout classes. But unfortunately I'm at work and have finals. If you want me to prove it its going to be a few days. Or you could just go look in the marketplace. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:20:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Went half Scout and half Logi with Uprising, but pretty set on going full out Scout with the respec. Like the OP I know I can do better with the logi, but I choose scout anyways. I guess since I know this is the last respec we'll likely ever get I'm just hopeful that the scout will one day be a viable option in competitive play. Liu Kaizong wrote:I miss the two equipment slots on my Scout suit :( Same. I always carry uplinks with my scout, that's not debatable for me, however I'd like to carry just one more item like in Chromosome. I'd gladly trade a weapon too, since at the moment I run a Shotgun/Flaylock combo but hardly ever use the shotgun.
Yup, until the scout has its day I'll keep smacking my head against a wall fighting shield stacked logis with TARs that rip me apart as a logi speeds past me with extra HP and equipment, using quad catalyzers. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 09:59:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote: its not a bad suit! enjoy it it gets results in pubs and PC with a shotty. but yeah i did scout cuz its not mainstream tooo
My thoughts are that it's not a bad suit. I mean I've been scout since I got my E3 closed beta invite, I don't have a problem putting up some numbers, but what I do have a problem with is that just by comparing the stats I could be far more effective as a Logi roleplaying as a Scout.
Alas... welcome to "ARLogi514 - One Playstyle // One Way" |
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