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SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:35:00 -
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Because I'm nuts.
Or hopeful.
Or just stupid.
Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.
Goodbye HP, I knew thee well. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:41:00 -
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*cough*cloaking!*cough* |
Gunner Nightingale
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:42:00 -
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Go minmatar scout and nova knives |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:43:00 -
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Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits. And profile dampening is only useful if people cared about increasing their range. But it's less costly to just equip a scanner that will pick me up easy preasy unless I spend a ton of points decreasing profile and even then it doesn't help much. |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:44:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Go minmatar scout and nova knives
Logi can do it better |
GLiMPSE X
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:46:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:Because I'm nuts.
Or hopeful.
Or just stupid.
Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.
Goodbye HP, I knew thee well.
I am so tempted to do the same. I am torn.
I am currently scout, planning to respec logi.
My reason being is the ease in which you can farm sp's in ambush after cap. Capping at 1k is almost guaranteed as a slayer logi because of the current wp mechanics afforded to logi's additional equipment slots.
Really, really, hard though. I love scout, it's my playstyle. My hope is that with the additonal SP's i'll be able to farm with time invested i'll be able to fill out my slayer logi tree and throw some secondary sp's into my scout. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:46:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Go minmatar scout and nova knives For just as much fun, Gallente scout with a TAR, passive scanner, precision enhancer, and profile dampener is a good marksman. Great for picking off or simply pinning enemy squads from a mid range sniper perch. Once they nerf the TAR's CQC capabilities, I'll be laughing my way to the CRU. |
GLiMPSE X
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:47:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits.
Will it?!
Where's your source?
In EVE this isn't the case completely. While there are cloaking options for all ships, they have significant disadvantages to those that are offered by the spec/cov ops frames |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:49:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits. Will it?! Where's your source? In EVE this isn't the case completely. While there are cloaking options for all ships, they have significant disadvantages to those that are offered by the spec/cov ops frames
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/
The second item is a Cloaking Field. This sneaky bit of kit will not only make you (almost) invisible to other combatants, it will also blind turret AI targeting systems. It isnGÇÖt perfect invisibility, scanners will still pick you up if you havenGÇÖt masked your signal well enough, motion will disrupt the field to some extent and weapon fire will cause the field to shut down. This means it will take some skill to use to its maximum potential. This item is going to be a real game changer, particularly for Scout dropsuits which have been screaming out for stealth gear. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:50:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits. Will it?! Where's your source? In EVE this isn't the case completely. While there are cloaking options for all ships, they have significant disadvantages to those that are offered by the spec/cov ops frames Even without sources, I'm pretty sure cloaking and other future EWAR gear will be active modules. There's a reason why that radial wheel is mostly empty and logis are the only class that has multiple equipment slots now. |
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SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:51:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Because I'm nuts.
Or hopeful.
Or just stupid.
Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.
Goodbye HP, I knew thee well. I am so tempted to do the same. I am torn. I am currently scout, planning to respec logi. My reason being is the ease in which you can farm sp's in ambush after cap. Capping at 1k is almost guaranteed as a slayer logi because of the current wp mechanics afforded to logi's additional equipment slots. Really, really, hard though. I love scout, it's my playstyle. My hope is that with the additonal SP's i'll be able to farm with time invested i'll be able to fill out my slayer logi tree and throw some secondary sp's into my scout.
LOOK AT WHAT YOU DO TO US CCP! We are a class without a suit. Lost and alone, clinging onto whatever will help save us. ;)
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GLiMPSE X
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:51:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits. Will it?! Where's your source? In EVE this isn't the case completely. While there are cloaking options for all ships, they have significant disadvantages to those that are offered by the spec/cov ops frames http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/
It's implied but not stated absolutely that it will be available to all.
We'll see. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:53:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Cloaking will be an equipment available to all suits. Will it?! Where's your source? In EVE this isn't the case completely. While there are cloaking options for all ships, they have significant disadvantages to those that are offered by the spec/cov ops frames http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/The second item is a Cloaking Field. This sneaky bit of kit will not only make you (almost) invisible to other combatants, it will also blind turret AI targeting systems. It isnGÇÖt perfect invisibility, scanners will still pick you up if you havenGÇÖt masked your signal well enough, motion will disrupt the field to some extent and weapon fire will cause the field to shut down. This means it will take some skill to use to its maximum potential. This item is going to be a real game changer, particularly for Scout dropsuits which have been screaming out for stealth gear. That's kind of outdated. Remember when Wolfman said we were going to get webifiers in uprising? |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:55:00 -
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Basically they only say it will help scouts because we have been crying out for a buff for some time... Naturally our lower scan profile will help but yet again... Logis can do it better. |
Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:55:00 -
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My thoughts exactly SoCal! We know that scout at this moment is a very underpowered suit, but I've been playing one for quite some time now and I do enjoy it and that's the reason I might still stay scout. That and potential. So yeah, hopeful and stupid were exactly the way I felt when I specced into scout once again. This respect might be different though as I'm still on the fence about it. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:02:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:Basically they only say it will help scouts because we have been crying out for a buff for some time... Naturally our lower scan profile will help but yet again... Logis can do it better. Logis have worse base stats out of all the suits and no sidearm at the cost of more slots. If a logi can do a scout's job better it's because they paid more (isk and SP) to do it with their fittings. A scout's base stats determine their role and bonuses to that role. Base stats with no fitting wise, scouts have the advantage because of their higher stamina and the smaller hit box. Logis can just be made to be faster and tankier for more isk. |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:06:00 -
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Until scouts get more CPU and PG logis will be better. There's no sense talking base stat balance or isk balance, I don't care about that, I care about Max proto items and the fact that I can't fit my whole load out because of CPU and PG |
Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:09:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Basically they only say it will help scouts because we have been crying out for a buff for some time... Naturally our lower scan profile will help but yet again... Logis can do it better. Logis have worse base stats out of all the suits and no sidearm at the cost of more slots. If a logi can do a scout's job better it's because they paid more (isk and SP) to do it with their fittings. A scout's base stats determine their role and bonuses to that role. Base stats with no fitting wise, scouts have the advantage because of their higher stamina and the smaller hit box. Logis can just be made to be faster and tankier for more isk. Honestly, I think that's part of the problem. I mean, it's fun to have a lot of slots, guys, even if it means less base stats, because everyone loves customising their suits. With the scout suits customisation is very limited compared to a logi or an assault suit. That combined with the facts that scout has very few slots and also doesn't have great base stats either and you have a situation where a scout is very a unattractive suit.
The other thing is, that no matter how much logi pays in ISK, it just shouldn't be a better scout than a scout is. At least in my mind that makes absolutely no sense. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:17:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Cosgar wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Basically they only say it will help scouts because we have been crying out for a buff for some time... Naturally our lower scan profile will help but yet again... Logis can do it better. Logis have worse base stats out of all the suits and no sidearm at the cost of more slots. If a logi can do a scout's job better it's because they paid more (isk and SP) to do it with their fittings. A scout's base stats determine their role and bonuses to that role. Base stats with no fitting wise, scouts have the advantage because of their higher stamina and the smaller hit box. Logis can just be made to be faster and tankier for more isk. Honestly, I think that's part of the problem. I mean, it's fun to have a lot of slots, guys, even if it means less base stats, because everyone loves customising their suits. With the scout suits customisation is very limited compared to a logi or an assault suit. That combined with the facts that scout has very few slots and also doesn't have great base stats either and you have a situation where a scout is very a unattractive suit. The other thing is, that no matter how much logi pays in ISK, it just shouldn't be a better scout than a scout is. At least in my mind that makes absolutely no sense. Logis aren't better than scouts. Hell, they're not even better than assaults. It's the fitting options and racial bonuses that make them look better. With everyone running around with ~200m isk and barely enough SP to cap core skills, of course logis look more attractive. But once people do get those core skills up again you'll start to see the blaring differences.
Plus logis are bright yellow and compared to scouts, they're about as subtle as a punch to the face. I play both Minmatar logi, the most versatile of logis and Gallente scout, what people are considering the "other sister" of the scout class. When it comes down to doing stuff scout related, I'd rather have my stats prerolled to be a scout instead of trying to augment them to try and match it. The lower CPU/PG and slot allocation actually helps too, because it forces me to choose what's necessary between what's just extra fluff. |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:21:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: lower CPU/PG and slot allocation actually helps too, because it forces me to choose what's necessary between what's just extra fluff.
Worse is better because its worse.
Good argument. |
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:23:00 -
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Which scout are you going for anyway? |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:26:00 -
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Gallente is the better scout period. The low slots are scouts need and the scanning is what I'm going to specialize in. But a logi could still due a scan roll almost as good as me and walk in with drop uplinks, nanos, and shield boosters to be almost twice as survivable. |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:27:00 -
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The day scouts are fixed will be the day Caldari Scouts are added. Shield yanking scouts will be stupid OP |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:33:00 -
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When Caldari scouts are added, I hope the drawbacks to shield tanking will be added as well. In EVE shields increase your scan signature and make it easier for enemies to lock onto you faster. In Dust, I would presume that the previous would be copied and pasted while your hit box is sufficiently larger until your shields deplete. If not, Caldari scouts will be as broken as Caldari Logis appear to be. |
Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:44:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:When Caldari scouts are added, I hope the drawbacks to shield tanking will be added as well. In EVE shields increase your scan signature and make it easier for enemies to lock onto you faster. In Dust, I would presume that the previous would be copied and pasted while your hit box is sufficiently larger until your shields deplete. If not, Caldari scouts will be as broken as Caldari Logis appear to be. Agreed on this point. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:46:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:Gallente is the better scout period. The low slots are scouts need and the scanning is what I'm going to specialize in. But a logi could still due a scan roll almost as good as me and walk in with drop uplinks, nanos, and shield boosters to be almost twice as survivable. Racial bonus to scanning on top of base scanning makes Gallente scout better at EWAR, hands down. |
Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:38:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:Cosgar wrote: lower CPU/PG and slot allocation actually helps too, because it forces me to choose what's necessary between what's just extra fluff. Worse is better because its worse. Good argument.
Yeah, the whole "I'm better BECAUSE I'm limited" argument has a "pushing a shopping cart down main street" feel. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:42:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:Because I'm nuts.
Or hopeful.
Or just stupid.
Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.
Goodbye HP, I knew thee well.
I going Scout too.... my advice to you will be this ;
Forget about K/D ratio, and say hello to WP. Scout is a WP machine. |
Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:47:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Because I'm nuts.
Or hopeful.
Or just stupid.
Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.
Goodbye HP, I knew thee well. I going Scout too.... my advice to you will be this ; Forget about K/D ratio, and say hello to WP. Scout is a WP machine.
Maybe, but unless your squad is rock solid and tactically deep, they're going to want you to be running something with more punch and less "I just got killed". |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:50:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Because I'm nuts.
Or hopeful.
Or just stupid.
Logi suits are better than scout in every conceivable way. I would do much better in a logi suit, yet I actively am choosing to not spec into FoTM. May the SG give me strength and I pray for all the brave souls who do as I do. I can only hope that one day scouts find a purpose.
Goodbye HP, I knew thee well. I going Scout too.... my advice to you will be this ; Forget about K/D ratio, and say hello to WP. Scout is a WP machine. Maybe, but unless your squad is rock solid and tactically deep, they're going to want you to be running something with more punch and less "I just got killed".
What about orbitals ? ...the scout can build WP's very quickly, faster than any other class. |
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