You had been already branded as a fanboy in the past, therefore ALL your arguments are invalid.

You guys do understand that "Metagame" is what sets DUST 514 apart from other FPSes, right? The idea that a single game has consequences between YOU WON or YOU LOST, and that there is more to the game than shooting mans, driving jeeps, and blowing stuff up. The concept of the "Metagame" is the only thing that really keeps Dust 514 from turning into Battlefield 2142 2, what keeps it interesting. If you don't like this idea that there is more to the game than the ability to shoot mans, maybe you should play something else, something simpler like Battlefield or Call of Duty. Then again, if you're bothered by things other people can do, maybe you're better off with playing Bejeweled.

Personally, I eagerly look forward to when this game expands it's scope of PC beyond Molden Heath, so PC can happen in places where things actually matter, ie, nullsec, and there will be much more competition and spying and other fun stuff.

Sure they can, however thad doesnt stop the backlashes and stigma they have all around the world, and from a military standpoint.. it is "weak", the reason of why the taliban are still where they are its more about the motivations behind the conflict, (US doing an occupation on a country with a shitton of oil, moved by greed) if the situation was different like "all the middle east country just declared war on the US and european countries" AKA a fully fledged war... I doubt of them standing an ioda of chance.

I'm all for spies and messing with the enemy. I like that there is more to the game than actual gameplay. It adds a different level of immersion. I don't mind AWOXing either. It's at the same level as AFKing for me. At the end of the day, it's just a game. People will do what they want. That's totally fine with me. But just because "it's all about the meta game", it doesn't mean it's not something that should be tweaked moving forward.

You're missing the point. They figured out how to win a war without actively fighting a war. They may have a stigma attached to them, but at the end of the day, a win is a win. The Taliban's motivation was seeing US troops in their country, so they set the goal to get the Americans the hell out; they have very nearly accomplished this. They never set the goal of a full fledged war against the US/Europe, because they are smart enough to realize it's beyond their means. They have no reason to leave their homes and waste a bunch of money to fight in another country.

As for the US motivations, Afghanistan doesn't really have oil. The Taliban were harboring Bin Laden after 9/11. You're thinking of Iraq, who "honorably" tried to fight the US Military head on and got stomped. They adopted the guerrilla tactics after the fact, since they saw it was working for the Taliban.

So AWOXing makes you look weak?

I'm a little confused, by that since its not on the AWOXer or the corp who initiated the AWOX at all who ends up looking weak. There are corps who have better regulations and prerequisites to join their ranks than those who have been AWOXed. The act of AWOXing is exploiting someone else's inability to adequately protect their assets and organization, which is actual weakness.

You might be trying to imply that if you AWOX or your group supports AWOXing, you're "weak" (as the kids say) and aren't good at the game at all, but then again as many people have pointed out this is being played out in the metagame and caring about your KDR or leaderboard status matter not in that respect. The metagame is all about playing the people, not the game, into doing what you want and acting in a way you want them to start acting like. In this case its making people point fingers and try to disgrace others. In other cases there is the metagame goal of making people thing you're bring X items to the field of battle, and ultimately when you both engage they realize they're poorly underprepared as you brough Y items. You can also say that manipulating the market is part of the metagame and is a completely different.

You're just expressing an immense ignorance to the matter and putting up in the guise of "well if you AWOX you're just bad at the game." when, in actuality, CCP has a long history of making games where having a metagame is far more important than winning a handful of battles. Look at the HBC, it got taken down due to political turmoil caused by ProGodLegend (of N3 & Nulli Secunda) insulting Sort Dragons girlfriend. That act caused Sort to go on a fit and threaten TEST, who then promptly left the HBC and took the largest alliance in that Coalition with them, making the Sort Dragon/HBC vs PGL/N3 war be over with without a single shot fired. That's the sort of game CCP makes, if you're not capable of comprehending, or willing to partake in it, you may want to play a different game since this sort of thing will continue to grow and more than just simple AWOXing will take place.

My bad on Iraq, however that doesnt translate as well into Dust or any fps, why? because one of the pillars of any fps to date it that is a "seek and destroy" game, unlike the taliban vs US conflict, where they are civilians war treaties, litigation against war crimes... etc. Do you go on dust and say "Oh I wont fire that clone, he might have kids" or do you see any civilian running around... or do you get a court marshall by firing some plasma rounds at someone? Of course not! You "seek and destroy" targets, no remorse no questions asked (in the case of awoxers that includes them as targets)

I understand that the taliban are able to grind the US balls with few militar effort and evict them, but at the same time they are able to use tools that are non existant in the context of a fps: civilians, war treaties, UN regulations, all that jazz. When on a FPS you just shoot the enemy on the face and thats the end of it Therefore if your corp its not able to accomplish to "seek and destroy" on a FPS, and have to rely on underhanded metods (even with said methods STILL lose), you will be looked down as weak.

Would on a future a corp can beat another one without firing a round, possibly. But it will be defined by ACTUAL metagame, not cheap acessible expliots.

@Laiheon: Yes I just ruled any argument you made with and ad homenem, get used to it. Im not willing to even waste time on you.

You are so astoundingly short sighted and narrow minded it boggles the mind.

The entire point of DUST 514 is that there is more to it than "shoot mans in space".

I understand some things can be difficult to handle or process. I had a lot of trouble learning how to integrate by parts, but I got past that and moved on. I didn't stay on the forums being a sad sack of tears whining about how everything isn't exactly the way I want it.

So please, sit down for a moment. Put down the controller, put down the mountain dew. Think about a game that is bigger, not just bigger, but wider, much wider, than just shooting mans. Because that is what is DUST 514 is to be.

If you can't handle that concept, you're welcome to go back and play Call of Duty or Battlefield to your hearts content.

You won't be missed.

There are plenty of other dumb pubbies with dumb opinions that can be milked for hilarity.

I wasn't drunk as much as I was just super groggy from the NyQuil. At least I think that's how I was. I don't know. I had about half a bottle of NyQuil and a 12-pack.

I find it amusing that you are behaving exactly like the FPSers I describe in my news article.

http://themittani.com/news/dust-514-eve-culture-shock-and-grief-university



You are experiencing culture shock. Welcome to New Eden.

" Its about as trendy as Jenza's pants in fanfest" LOL

Maybe Eve culture is crap, did you ever think about that? The idea that emotionally manipulating people is fun and good entertainment is disgusting. There are tons of games with deep metagames that don't involve this type of behavior.

The most disturbing aspect of this game though involves the playerbase's attitude towards spying. Any person who's spent an exorbitant amount of time gaining people's trust and befriending them so they can betray them in an online game (for digital gains) needs to examine themselves. Anyone who condones this behavior should do the same. Quite frankly, these people should get a life; not to mention, such anti-social behavior borders on sociopathy.

Maybe you eve players who condone this behavior are unaware of this, but it's this type of behavior and and attitude that have branded eve players as being the scum of the gaming world. It's because of this that other gamers look down on you (well, that and the fact that you spend so much time playing a ridiculously boring game).

Maybe Eve culture is crap, did you ever think about that? The idea that emotionally manipulating people is fun and good entertainment is disgusting. There are tons of games with deep metagames that don't involve this type of behavior.

The most disturbing aspect of this game though involves the playerbase's attitude towards spying. Any person who's spent an exorbitant amount of time gaining people's trust and befriending them so they can betray them in an online game (for digital gains) needs to examine themselves. Anyone who condones this behavior should do the same. Quite frankly, these people should get a life; not to mention, such anti-social behavior borders on sociopathy.

Maybe you eve players who condone this behavior are unaware of this, but it's this type of behavior and and attitude that have branded eve players as being the scum of the gaming world. It's because of this that other gamers look down on you (well, that and the fact that you spend so much time playing a ridiculously boring game).

You can also refer to:

- Mujahideen in the 1970s (precursor to the Taliban) vs the Soviet Union.
- North Vietnamese vs the US forces.
- Colonial Army vs the British Empire.

The list goes on and the message stays the same, attacking head on isn't the only way to win a war.

Those were all the weaker factions in the war. So what was your point again?

EDIT: As a side note, the clans using "AWOXing" are horrible shots and seriously lack battlefield presence. Most of them rely on proto gear and SP to make up for this fact and will fall off rather quickly in the grand scheme of things.

And why do goons even think they are relevant in DUST?

Those were all the weaker factions in the war. So what was your point again?

Abu, I'm grudgingly giving you a +1 for that post.

They all won?

Except one of the most notable examples of AWOX in DUST was a complete failure.

Let me make a timeline for your simple mind to understand.

1. OP said you are weak if you need to AWOX.
2. A bunch of people were mentioned, proving the OPs point.
3. Abu Stij wrote a long winded post that I didn't care to really read because in fighting against the OP he supported the OPs claim.

Any questions?

Is it because I'm pretty?

AWOXing isn't a culture shock it's a wasted opportunity, Done by kids who run to forums within ten minutes of turning a corp over screaming about how megaleetz they are. People thinking too small.

AWOXing isn't a culture shock it's a wasted opportunity, Done by kids who run to forums within ten minutes of turning a corp over screaming about how megaleetz they are. People thinking too small.