I can't stay mad at you.

you weren't drunk w/e enough in the video and not enough cursing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYzQGwMnzEM&feature=youtu.be

Sorry in advance for the language. I've been doing NyQuil shots with beer chasers for the past two days. I was kinda out of my mind.

In this video I discuss why AWOXing is not effective for the long haul and is a technique with an overall negative outcome. And sorry to Jenza...

Any input from you guys?

It's this kind of metagaming that FPS games lack. When someone sneaks into a clan and spies or wreaks havoc, they tend to be promptly booted, shamed, called all sorts of names, and potentially disqualified from whatever event they were involved in. Basically, it's a big no-no. In EVE, you get the opposite reaction. It's a fact of life and tends to provide capsuleers with entertainment. Whatever the carebears in space might claim, such behavior is not only expected, it's sanctioned by CCP.

I find it amusing that you are behaving exactly like the FPSers I describe in my news article.

http://themittani.com/news/dust-514-eve-culture-shock-and-grief-university



You are experiencing culture shock. Welcome to New Eden.

I wasn't drunk as much as I was just super groggy from the NyQuil. At least I think that's how I was. I don't know. I had about half a bottle of NyQuil and a 12-pack.

People do this for enjoyment/fun?

People do this for enjoyment/fun?

I don't buy this 'culture shock' argument. CCP failed to foresee an obvious exploit in the corporate battle game mechanics.

There's no parallel in the EVE universe for the result that I know of. The spying and manipulation that is part of EVE is intriguing and exciting to read about. It's what made me try EVE in the first place. I strongly doubt anyone reading about this broken game mechanic is going to enticed into playing Dust514.

If the tables were reversed somehow and EVE players were experiencing a new game mechanic where any member of their corporation no matter how lowly could lock down or vanish 1/4 of their fleet at any critical engagement without any effort required I reckon the players of EVE would have some culture shock of their own.

So AWOXing makes you look weak?

I'm a little confused, by that since its not on the AWOXer or the corp who initiated the AWOX at all who ends up looking weak. There are corps who have better regulations and prerequisites to join their ranks than those who have been AWOXed. The act of AWOXing is exploiting someone else's inability to adequately protect their assets and organization, which is actual weakness.

You might be trying to imply that if you AWOX or your group supports AWOXing, you're "weak" (as the kids say) and aren't good at the game at all, but then again as many people have pointed out this is being played out in the metagame and caring about your KDR or leaderboard status matter not in that respect. The metagame is all about playing the people, not the game, into doing what you want and acting in a way you want them to start acting like. In this case its making people point fingers and try to disgrace others. In other cases there is the metagame goal of making people thing you're bring X items to the field of battle, and ultimately when you both engage they realize they're poorly underprepared as you brough Y items. You can also say that manipulating the market is part of the metagame and is a completely different.

You're just expressing an immense ignorance to the matter and putting up in the guise of "well if you AWOX you're just bad at the game." when, in actuality, CCP has a long history of making games where having a metagame is far more important than winning a handful of battles. Look at the HBC, it got taken down due to political turmoil caused by ProGodLegend (of N3 & Nulli Secunda) insulting Sort Dragons girlfriend. That act caused Sort to go on a fit and threaten TEST, who then promptly left the HBC and took the largest alliance in that Coalition with them, making the Sort Dragon/HBC vs PGL/N3 war be over with without a single shot fired. That's the sort of game CCP makes, if you're not capable of comprehending, or willing to partake in it, you may want to play a different game since this sort of thing will continue to grow and more than just simple AWOXing will take place.

I don't buy this 'culture shock' argument. CCP failed to foresee an obvious exploit in the corporate battle game mechanics.

There's no parallel in the EVE universe for the result that I know of. The spying and manipulation that is part of EVE is intriguing and exciting to read about. It's what made me try EVE in the first place. I strongly doubt anyone reading about this broken game mechanic is going to enticed into playing Dust514.

If the tables were reversed somehow and EVE players were experiencing a new game mechanic where any member of their corporation no matter how lowly could lock down or vanish 1/4 of their fleet at any critical engagement without any effort required I reckon the players of EVE would have some culture shock of their own.

So AWOXing makes you look weak?

I'm a little confused, by that since its not on the AWOXer or the corp who initiated the AWOX at all who ends up looking weak. There are corps who have better regulations and prerequisites to join their ranks than those who have been AWOXed. The act of AWOXing is exploiting someone else's inability to adequately protect their assets and organization, which is actual weakness.

You might be trying to imply that if you AWOX or your group supports AWOXing, you're "weak" (as the kids say) and aren't good at the game at all, but then again as many people have pointed out this is being played out in the metagame and caring about your KDR or leaderboard status matter not in that respect. The metagame is all about playing the people, not the game, into doing what you want and acting in a way you want them to start acting like. In this case its making people point fingers and try to disgrace others. In other cases there is the metagame goal of making people thing you're bring X items to the field of battle, and ultimately when you both engage they realize they're poorly underprepared as you brough Y items. You can also say that manipulating the market is part of the metagame and is a completely different.

You're just expressing an immense ignorance to the matter and putting up in the guise of "well if you AWOX you're just bad at the game." when, in actuality, CCP has a long history of making games where having a metagame is far more important than winning a handful of battles. Look at the HBC, it got taken down due to political turmoil caused by ProGodLegend (of N3 & Nulli Secunda) insulting Sort Dragons girlfriend. That act caused Sort to go on a fit and threaten TEST, who then promptly left the HBC and took the largest alliance in that Coalition with them, making the Sort Dragon/HBC vs PGL/N3 war be over with without a single shot fired. That's the sort of game CCP makes, if you're not capable of comprehending, or willing to partake in it, you may want to play a different game since this sort of thing will continue to grow and more than just simple AWOXing will take place.

I think you totally missed the point I was making. Although I disagree with AWOXing, I know it's a mechanic in the game. Not a big deal. My point was that there are better ways to utilize infiltration than doing a one-time tactic that makes your corp look bad.

And alienating "FPSers" probably isn't a smart way to go. Sure, the diehard EVE guys will like you, but Dust isn't EVE. Dust is a console FPS, so a majority of the players are going to be, wait for it, FPSers. Regardless of how you feel, for a console FPS to do well and compete with other AAA titles, they have to appeal to FPSers. CCP knows this. They want the game to grow, and the best way to have Dust grow is by appealing to regular FPSers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYzQGwMnzEM&feature=youtu.be

Sorry in advance for the language. I've been doing NyQuil shots with beer chasers for the past two days. I was kinda out of my mind.

In this video I discuss why AWOXing is not effective for the long haul and is a technique with an overall negative outcome. And sorry to Jenza...

Any input from you guys?

Good Lord.

AWOXing does make your corp look weak. You're doing it to gain a severe advantage that can't be countered. That's what makes you look weak. Forget all the meta game BS for one second. Showing the necessity to have an unfair advantage makes it look like you can't win a fight straight up.

I didn't know you were mad at me.

Good Lord.

AWOXing does make your corp look weak. You're doing it to gain a severe advantage that can't be countered. That's what makes you look weak. Forget all the meta game BS for one second. Showing the necessity to have an unfair advantage makes it look like you can't win a fight straight up.

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...relying ONLY on shrewed tactics, and specially on a FPS it shows that you have no faith in your performance therefore you need said adventage as a "crutch", and that makes you look weak, besides being despised.

Real life wars can be waged (and even won) solely using these kinds of tactics. Lets take the Taliban as an example:
In 2001 they control the country of Afghanistan. The US military invades, and they go into hiding. They understand that facing the American military head on is suicidal, so instead they infiltrate the new US backed Afghan government and military.

Some kid wants to join the Taliban? He enlists in the Afghan National Army where American troops not only train him how to fight, but pay him for it. When his training is complete he has three options:
A) Go AWOL and join the Taliban fighters off in the mountains
B) Find some Americans with their backs turned and shoot (knowing he will probably be caught/killed himself)
C) Wait for the US military to finally leave the country so he can help overthrow the US backed government from the inside.

The Taliban has lasted more than a decade against the most powerful military in the world, and that military is currently withdrawing from Afghanistan. If they can overthrow the current government, they'll have won the war despite never winning a conventional battle. I would hardly call that "weak."