DUST Search - Why AWOXing is a Bad Corporation Move

DS 10 wrote:

Charizard Zakalwe wrote:

You guys do understand that "Metagame" is what sets DUST 514 apart from other FPSes, right? The idea that a single game has consequences between YOU WON or YOU LOST, and that there is more to the game than shooting mans, driving jeeps, and blowing stuff up. The concept of the "Metagame" is the only thing that really keeps Dust 514 from turning into Battlefield 2142 2, what keeps it interesting. If you don't like this idea that there is more to the game than the ability to shoot mans, maybe you should play something else, something simpler like Battlefield or Call of Duty. Then again, if you're bothered by things other people can do, maybe you're better off with playing Bejeweled.

Personally, I eagerly look forward to when this game expands it's scope of PC beyond Molden Heath, so PC can happen in places where things actually matter, ie, nullsec, and there will be much more competition and spying and other fun stuff.

I'm all for spies and messing with the enemy. I like that there is more to the game than actual gameplay. It adds a different level of immersion. I don't mind AWOXing either. It's at the same level as AFKing for me. At the end of the day, it's just a game. People will do what they want. That's totally fine with me. But just because "it's all about the meta game", it doesn't mean it's not something that should be tweaked moving forward.


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Charizard Zakalwe Goonfeet 45	Posted - 2013.05.21 16:23:00 - [1] - Quote You guys do understand that "Metagame" is what sets DUST 514 apart from other FPSes, right? The idea that a single game has consequences between YOU WON or YOU LOST, and that there is more to the game than shooting mans, driving jeeps, and blowing stuff up. The concept of the "Metagame" is the only thing that really keeps Dust 514 from turning into Battlefield 2142 2, what keeps it interesting. If you don't like this idea that there is more to the game than the ability to shoot mans, maybe you should play something else, something simpler like Battlefield or Call of Duty. Then again, if you're bothered by things other people can do, maybe you're better off with playing Bejeweled. Personally, I eagerly look forward to when this game expands it's scope of PC beyond Molden Heath, so PC can happen in places where things actually matter, ie, nullsec, and there will be much more competition and spying and other fun stuff.
Charizard Zakalwe Goonfeet 45	Posted - 2013.05.21 17:41:00 - [2] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Charizard Zakalwe wrote: You guys do understand that "Metagame" is what sets DUST 514 apart from other FPSes, right? The idea that a single game has consequences between YOU WON or YOU LOST, and that there is more to the game than shooting mans, driving jeeps, and blowing stuff up. The concept of the "Metagame" is the only thing that really keeps Dust 514 from turning into Battlefield 2142 2, what keeps it interesting. If you don't like this idea that there is more to the game than the ability to shoot mans, maybe you should play something else, something simpler like Battlefield or Call of Duty. Then again, if you're bothered by things other people can do, maybe you're better off with playing Bejeweled. Personally, I eagerly look forward to when this game expands it's scope of PC beyond Molden Heath, so PC can happen in places where things actually matter, ie, nullsec, and there will be much more competition and spying and other fun stuff. I'm all for spies and messing with the enemy. I like that there is more to the game than actual gameplay. It adds a different level of immersion. I don't mind AWOXing either. It's at the same level as AFKing for me. At the end of the day, it's just a game. People will do what they want. That's totally fine with me. But just because "it's all about the meta game", it doesn't mean it's not something that should be tweaked moving forward. AWOXing isn't broken, though. Any half decent corp run by intelligent people would've used holding corps, some basic research, and something resembling control to keep spies from messing up their action. Instead, they didn't, and thus suffered. Now, some corporate controls so that people can be assigned roles, allowing non-directorship hierarchy to be established in game is something that is needed, but not strictly because of AWOX'ing. This could have a variety of uses that go well beyond spies. What's needed for dealing with spies is for the API system to be brought to Dust 514, but that's certainly coming Soon^(tm). Also, the military, in general, does not care about "weak" as much as they care about "effective" and "winning". It doens't matter if their methods of combat aren't honorable, what matters is if they'll win. This isn't the eighteenth goddamned century. The Taliban has stigma attached to them for being generally horrible people and doing horrible things, not for fighting a guerrilla war. No one is going "well that Taliban lot is okay, but what I can't get behind is how they didn't face the Americans in open combat", people don't like them because they're horrible people who have a rigid interpretation of their religion that is pretty much awful in regards to human rights and civil rights and that stuff.
Charizard Zakalwe Goonfeet 45	Posted - 2013.05.21 18:00:00 - [3] - Quote You are so astoundingly short sighted and narrow minded it boggles the mind. The entire point of DUST 514 is that there is more to it than "shoot mans in space". I understand some things can be difficult to handle or process. I had a lot of trouble learning how to integrate by parts, but I got past that and moved on. I didn't stay on the forums being a sad sack of tears whining about how everything isn't exactly the way I want it. So please, sit down for a moment. Put down the controller, put down the mountain dew. Think about a game that is bigger, not just bigger, but wider, much wider, than just shooting mans. Because that is what is DUST 514 is to be. If you can't handle that concept, you're welcome to go back and play Call of Duty or Battlefield to your hearts content. You won't be missed. There are plenty of other dumb pubbies with dumb opinions that can be milked for hilarity.
Charizard Zakalwe Goonfeet 45	Posted - 2013.05.21 18:42:00 - [4] - Quote Well 1) I wans't talking to you. 2) Watching a video, would, in fact, not be reading comprehension. 3) AWOXing is a perfectly good use of a spy account. There are no rules that say you can only have one spy in a corp. Burning all of your assets in a corp could be rather foolish, but not necessarily so.
Charizard Zakalwe Goonfeet 45	Posted - 2013.05.22 05:31:00 - [5] - Quote Aegis Scientiafide wrote: Maybe Eve culture is crap, did you ever think about that? The idea that emotionally manipulating people is fun and good entertainment is disgusting. There are tons of games with deep metagames that don't involve this type of behavior. The most disturbing aspect of this game though involves the playerbase's attitude towards spying. Any person who's spent an exorbitant amount of time gaining people's trust and befriending them so they can betray them in an online game (for digital gains) needs to examine themselves. Anyone who condones this behavior should do the same. Quite frankly, these people should get a life; not to mention, such anti-social behavior borders on sociopathy. Maybe you eve players who condone this behavior are unaware of this, but it's this type of behavior and and attitude that have branded eve players as being the scum of the gaming world. It's because of this that other gamers look down on you (well, that and the fact that you spend so much time playing a ridiculously boring game). Exactly my point. If one person stops posting, another, equally foolish person will begin posting in their stead so they may be readily absorbed for amusement. Firstly, in all serious talk, you're seriously remiss in both your use of the word sociopath (in terms of definition) and in labeling players with it. I mean really. It's Hollywood term that has no real meaning in the actual psychiatric community for that very reason. Assuming you're implying they have or nearly have ASPD, you're also wrong, as it's obsolete as of DSM-V. Update your knowledge pool accordingly. EVE Culture, really, isn't 'crap'. It's a wonderful social experiment and source of great entertainment and fun. Also, pretty much all entertainment is a form of emotional manipulation. You do certain things to induce certain changes in your own emotion. So that's a moot point. Spying is such a unique form of escapism though. So few games let you do it where it really actually something you do on your own to some effect. Most games you're just a soldier man or a fighter man or maybe you're a spy man but you're very much a spyman on the games terms. Spying in EVE (and DUST 514) is so great because it's so unique. It's such a completely different way of playing that makes it so appealing. So few games allow to do such wide and far things, totally destructive to one side or another and not just let you do it, you get away with it (if you can). And you won't have GM's reversing things or undoing things. They're not there to babysit the game and rules lawyer, they're there to facilitate gameplay by fixing bugs and handling problems that keep people from playing the game, and only care about laying down the law when people take things out of the game and into real life. They're not going to punish you for cutting in line to the roller coaster, they're there to keep it running, and will only deal with the riders when they start doing bad things off the roller coaster or to sabotage the roller coaster. Spying in EVE is such an utterly lateral way of playing the game that some people just can't comprehend it. And what they can't understand, they fear, and what they fear, they hate. Now, I'm not saying that you're sufficiently stupid that you can't grasp the concept spying and why it's fun, but I'm strongly implying it. Doubly so considering the condescending way that I'm spelling that out for you. Your claims of "gettalife" are cute and all, but it's such a nerdy little insult that it's really only insulting to someone who lacks (or feels they lack) a "life" because it's the quickest thing to come to mind to them because they're so insecure about it. Additionally, while you're implying that it's not worth investing so much into a purely digital thing with no real life benefits, you seem to get awfully worked up about it. Probably, again, because you're so utterly insecure about not having a 'life'. PS. Everyone knows that the worst group of players are the players of DOTA-likes. Followed by "hardcore" gamers who can't use a mouse, then come the worst of eve, who are usually hisec AFK miners, people who get scammed, and people who get betrayed by their most trusted internet friend.