DUST Search - Why AWOXing is a Bad Corporation Move

Rupture Reaperson wrote:

My bad on Iraq, however that doesnt translate as well into Dust or any fps, why? because one of the pillars of any fps to date it that is a "seek and destroy" game, unlike the taliban vs US conflict, where they are civilians war treaties, litigation against war crimes... etc. Do you go on dust and say "Oh I wont fire that clone, he might have kids" or do you see any civilian running around... or do you get a court marshall by firing some plasma rounds at someone? Of course not! You "seek and destroy" targets, no remorse no questions asked (in the case of awoxers that includes them as targets)

I understand that the taliban are able to grind the US balls with few militar effort and evict them, but at the same time they are able to use tools that are non existant in the context of a fps: civilians, war treaties, UN regulations, all that jazz. When on a FPS you just shoot the enemy on the face and thats the end of it Therefore if your corp its not able to accomplish to "seek and destroy" on a FPS, and have to rely on underhanded metods (even with said methods STILL lose), you will be looked down as weak.

Would on a future a corp can beat another one without firing a round, possibly. But it will be defined by ACTUAL metagame, not cheap acessible expliots.

@Laiheon: Yes I just ruled any argument you made with and ad homenem, get used to it. Im not willing to even waste time on you.


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Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 588	Posted - 2013.05.21 15:35:00 - [1] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Good Lord. AWOXing does make your corp look weak. You're doing it to gain a severe advantage that can't be countered. That's what makes you look weak. Forget all the meta game BS for one second. Showing the necessity to have an unfair advantage makes it look like you can't win a fight straight up. So taking advantage of a weakness to gain an unassailable advantage is actually weak? I'd beg to differ. In a game where any advantage can mean life or death, victory or defeat, you'll take anything you can. If your corp is stupid enough to recruit someone without vetting them, then you, frankly, deserve to be AWOXed. There are a huge number of ways to vet someone, and your corp's naivete led to it being AWOXed. CRONOS simply took advantage of that stupidity. Besides. You're trying to enforce the "video game honor" rule. In New Eden, honor quickly goes down the drain when you're facing enormous pressures to bring you down.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 589	Posted - 2013.05.21 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote Rupture Reaperson wrote: You had been already branded as a fanboy in the past, therefore ALL your arguments are invalid. Oh look, an ad hominem, let's give this guy a medal for using impeccable logic. I'm hardly a fanboy. I love CCP as a company, and I defend them, but I do see where CCP has gone wrong in the development of this game, and I do dislike the fact that many of the features which sell DUST 514 to me as a game currently aren't in yet. Frankly, this attitude disgusts me. Just because I enjoy the game, I can't have a valid opinion on it? I'm also a Bethesda "fanboy", but I can also see a lot of faults and areas of improvement with their games. Grow the **** up.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 590	Posted - 2013.05.21 18:09:00 - [3] - Quote Rupture Reaperson wrote: My bad on Iraq, however that doesnt translate as well into Dust or any fps, why? because one of the pillars of any fps to date it that is a "seek and destroy" game, unlike the taliban vs US conflict, where they are civilians war treaties, litigation against war crimes... etc. Do you go on dust and say "Oh I wont fire that clone, he might have kids" or do you see any civilian running around... or do you get a court marshall by firing some plasma rounds at someone? Of course not! You "seek and destroy" targets, no remorse no questions asked (in the case of awoxers that includes them as targets) I understand that the taliban are able to grind the US balls with few militar effort and evict them, but at the same time they are able to use tools that are non existant in the context of a fps: civilians, war treaties, UN regulations, all that jazz. When on a FPS you just shoot the enemy on the face and thats the end of it Therefore if your corp its not able to accomplish to "seek and destroy" on a FPS, and have to rely on underhanded metods (even with said methods STILL lose), you will be looked down as weak. Would on a future a corp can beat another one without firing a round, possibly. But it will be defined by ACTUAL metagame, not cheap acessible expliots. @Laiheon: Yes I just ruled any argument you made with and ad homenem, get used to it. Im not willing to even waste time on you. How narrow-minded and immature. The problem with your argument is that DUST isn't meant to be a simple FPS. The best way it could be categorised is "war simulator" rather than "FPS". FPS implies that's all there is to do, shoot people. In DUST, however, you are able to choose your enemies. The only other game I've heard of being called a war simulator was actually Battlefield, and that doesn't particularly have as many features (war wise) as DUST does. In DUST, we are able to avert war (or conclude it) through means other than shooting other mercs. For example, making peace, creating an alliance or a contract, dissolving the other corporation/alliance through subterfuge, etc. This is much more involved than any other FPS that you might be able to name, and involves diplomacy and subterfuge just as much as gun game.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 603	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:02:00 - [4] - Quote @Aegis... You will also find that The Mittani lost a lot of respect within the EVE community because of that incident, and had to step down from the CSM. Generalising a whole community like that is simply ridiculous, it's like saying all Americans are fat, all Chinese are good at maths, and all the English are hooligans. In any community, you'll get a range of people. Stereotyping for any other purpose than humor simply isn't acceptable. Frankly, no, it's not emotional manipulation. It's nothing personal either. An alliance wants to conquer the land that you currently own, but you're too strong for them. So the alliance sends in a spy to dissolve the alliance, and after a few months, manages. That's not on a personal level whatsoever. He's doing a job for material gain, not to hurt someone. As often stated in online games, it's not really material wealth. In the end, it's just a few kilobytes of data on a server somewhere. You effectively haven't lost anything but time, time which you were very happy to invest in the game. Any emotions that may have been hurt on the way simply aren't intentional, and if the person had actually been sensible, they would know not to trust someone on an online game who has the ability to ruin their whole experience.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 603	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:20:00 - [5] - Quote Abu, I'm grudgingly giving you a +1 for that post.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 605	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:57:00 - [6] - Quote Schalac 17 wrote: If you want to AWOX do it right. Actually infiltrate a group and steal intel, gain directorship and clean them out. Kick everyone from corp before a PC match. Clean the corp account. Steal clone reserves and plant them on your side. Just joining a PC match and talking smack and team killing is petty HALO bs. I attribute it to getting a full Warthog and driving it off a cliff. There is no emergent gameplay here. There is no amazing tactics involved. Just petty silliness. You're assuming that there aren't people doing that right now but just aren't advertising that fact.