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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:44:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYzQGwMnzEM&feature=youtu.be
Sorry in advance for the language. I've been doing NyQuil shots with beer chasers for the past two days. I was kinda out of my mind.
In this video I discuss why AWOXing is not effective for the long haul and is a technique with an overall negative outcome. And sorry to Jenza...
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:04:00 -
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Cappy Gorram wrote:I can't stay mad at you.
I didn't know you were mad at me. |
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:38:00 -
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ladwar wrote:you weren't drunk w/e enough in the video and not enough cursing.
I wasn't drunk as much as I was just super groggy from the NyQuil. At least I think that's how I was. I don't know. I had about half a bottle of NyQuil and a 12-pack. |
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:09:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:I find it amusing that you are behaving exactly like the FPSers I describe in my news article. http://themittani.com/news/dust-514-eve-culture-shock-and-grief-universityQuote:It's this kind of metagaming that FPS games lack. When someone sneaks into a clan and spies or wreaks havoc, they tend to be promptly booted, shamed, called all sorts of names, and potentially disqualified from whatever event they were involved in. Basically, it's a big no-no. In EVE, you get the opposite reaction. It's a fact of life and tends to provide capsuleers with entertainment. Whatever the carebears in space might claim, such behavior is not only expected, it's sanctioned by CCP. You are experiencing culture shock. Welcome to New Eden.
I think you totally missed the point I was making. Although I disagree with AWOXing, I know it's a mechanic in the game. Not a big deal. My point was that there are better ways to utilize infiltration than doing a one-time tactic that makes your corp look bad.
And alienating "FPSers" probably isn't a smart way to go. Sure, the diehard EVE guys will like you, but Dust isn't EVE. Dust is a console FPS, so a majority of the players are going to be, wait for it, FPSers. Regardless of how you feel, for a console FPS to do well and compete with other AAA titles, they have to appeal to FPSers. CCP knows this. They want the game to grow, and the best way to have Dust grow is by appealing to regular FPSers. |
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:20:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:DS 10 wrote:ladwar wrote:you weren't drunk w/e enough in the video and not enough cursing. I wasn't drunk as much as I was just super groggy from the NyQuil. At least I think that's how I was. I don't know. I had about half a bottle of NyQuil and a 12-pack. People do this for enjoyment/fun?
No. I'm legitimately sick. Lol. I ran out of NyQuil so I drank so I could sleep through the night. |
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:26:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:So AWOXing makes you look weak?
I'm a little confused, by that since its not on the AWOXer or the corp who initiated the AWOX at all who ends up looking weak. There are corps who have better regulations and prerequisites to join their ranks than those who have been AWOXed. The act of AWOXing is exploiting someone else's inability to adequately protect their assets and organization, which is actual weakness.
You might be trying to imply that if you AWOX or your group supports AWOXing, you're "weak" (as the kids say) and aren't good at the game at all, but then again as many people have pointed out this is being played out in the metagame and caring about your KDR or leaderboard status matter not in that respect. The metagame is all about playing the people, not the game, into doing what you want and acting in a way you want them to start acting like. In this case its making people point fingers and try to disgrace others. In other cases there is the metagame goal of making people thing you're bring X items to the field of battle, and ultimately when you both engage they realize they're poorly underprepared as you brough Y items. You can also say that manipulating the market is part of the metagame and is a completely different.
You're just expressing an immense ignorance to the matter and putting up in the guise of "well if you AWOX you're just bad at the game." when, in actuality, CCP has a long history of making games where having a metagame is far more important than winning a handful of battles. Look at the HBC, it got taken down due to political turmoil caused by ProGodLegend (of N3 & Nulli Secunda) insulting Sort Dragons girlfriend. That act caused Sort to go on a fit and threaten TEST, who then promptly left the HBC and took the largest alliance in that Coalition with them, making the Sort Dragon/HBC vs PGL/N3 war be over with without a single shot fired. That's the sort of game CCP makes, if you're not capable of comprehending, or willing to partake in it, you may want to play a different game since this sort of thing will continue to grow and more than just simple AWOXing will take place.
Good Lord.
AWOXing does make your corp look weak. You're doing it to gain a severe advantage that can't be countered. That's what makes you look weak. Forget all the meta game BS for one second. Showing the necessity to have an unfair advantage makes it look like you can't win a fight straight up.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:55:00 -
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So apparently I've rustled some jimmies.
Let me make myself clear. I may not LIKE AWOXers, but I understand it is a mechanic in the game. Therefore, I don't think it's cheating. It is highly effective for the one match, but then it's over. I merely think there are better infiltration strategies out there
Spies/AWOXing are in the game, and I'm perfectly fine with that. I DO NOT CONSIDER IT CHEATING. If you choose to go that route, that's cool with me. As I said before, it's just one game
Maybe there should be some kind of reading comprehension course you have to take before posting in the forums. |
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Posted - 2013.05.21 16:42:00 -
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Charizard Zakalwe wrote:You guys do understand that "Metagame" is what sets DUST 514 apart from other FPSes, right? The idea that a single game has consequences between YOU WON or YOU LOST, and that there is more to the game than shooting mans, driving jeeps, and blowing stuff up. The concept of the "Metagame" is the only thing that really keeps Dust 514 from turning into Battlefield 2142 2, what keeps it interesting. If you don't like this idea that there is more to the game than the ability to shoot mans, maybe you should play something else, something simpler like Battlefield or Call of Duty. Then again, if you're bothered by things other people can do, maybe you're better off with playing Bejeweled.
Personally, I eagerly look forward to when this game expands it's scope of PC beyond Molden Heath, so PC can happen in places where things actually matter, ie, nullsec, and there will be much more competition and spying and other fun stuff.
I'm all for spies and messing with the enemy. I like that there is more to the game than actual gameplay. It adds a different level of immersion. I don't mind AWOXing either. It's at the same level as AFKing for me. At the end of the day, it's just a game. People will do what they want. That's totally fine with me. But just because "it's all about the meta game", it doesn't mean it's not something that should be tweaked moving forward. |
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:22:00 -
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Charizard Zakalwe wrote:You are so astoundingly short sighted and narrow minded it boggles the mind.
The entire point of DUST 514 is that there is more to it than "shoot mans in space".
I understand some things can be difficult to handle or process. I had a lot of trouble learning how to integrate by parts, but I got past that and moved on. I didn't stay on the forums being a sad sack of tears whining about how everything isn't exactly the way I want it.
So please, sit down for a moment. Put down the controller, put down the mountain dew. Think about a game that is bigger, not just bigger, but wider, much wider, than just shooting mans. Because that is what is DUST 514 is to be.
If you can't handle that concept, you're welcome to go back and play Call of Duty or Battlefield to your hearts content.
You won't be missed.
There are plenty of other dumb pubbies with dumb opinions that can be milked for hilarity.
I'm short sighted, yet in the video I suggest keeping your spies in the corporation for an extended amount of time to gather intel and do other spy stuff? I'm confused.
Also, I never said the metagame doesn't belong in Dust. I like that there is more to the game than shooting. If you read my past comments on this thread, you'll see that.
The video was about how AWOXing isn't the best use of your inside guys. Yes, it is effective, but only for a short time.
Before you try to get all e-peen, you should try some reading comprehension. It'll do you wonders. |
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:31:00 -
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Aegis Scientiafide wrote:Eltra Ardell wrote:I find it amusing that you are behaving exactly like the FPSers I describe in my news article. http://themittani.com/news/dust-514-eve-culture-shock-and-grief-universityQuote:It's this kind of metagaming that FPS games lack. When someone sneaks into a clan and spies or wreaks havoc, they tend to be promptly booted, shamed, called all sorts of names, and potentially disqualified from whatever event they were involved in. Basically, it's a big no-no. In EVE, you get the opposite reaction. It's a fact of life and tends to provide capsuleers with entertainment. Whatever the carebears in space might claim, such behavior is not only expected, it's sanctioned by CCP. You are experiencing culture shock. Welcome to New Eden. Maybe Eve culture is crap, did you ever think about that? The idea that emotionally manipulating people is fun and good entertainment is disgusting. There are tons of games with deep metagames that don't involve this type of behavior. The most disturbing aspect of this game though involves the playerbase's attitude towards spying. Any person who's spent an exorbitant amount of time gaining people's trust and befriending them so they can betray them in an online game (for digital gains) needs to examine themselves. Anyone who condones this behavior should do the same. Quite frankly, these people should get a life; not to mention, such anti-social behavior borders on sociopathy. Maybe you eve players who condone this behavior are unaware of this, but it's this type of behavior and and attitude that have branded eve players as being the scum of the gaming world. It's because of this that other gamers look down on you (well, that and the fact that you spend so much time playing a ridiculously boring game).
Although the EVE elitists get on my nerves, you are wrong about spying. It adds a "trust nobody" twist to the genre. After all, this is just a game. Of course spying is frustrating for the victims, but they should have spies as well. This isn't sociopathy. This is strategy in a war game
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