There is no such thing as an FPS formula. There is also no such thing as revolutionary gameplay or redefining the FPS genre. There are only successful games and unsuccessful games. Looking at DUST right now it's pretty obvious where it's going to stand on that spectrum in the next couple of months. And for a game with the mechanics such as DUST, if it doesn't take off after the first ~3 months it never will.

i like your backtracking... now it's "debating" and not an "argument"...which is it then? Two very different things depending on context at the time of usage.

Now don't go and GOOGLE the difference. You seem like a smart fellow...using an alt and all

My troll skills are fine, since I left you guys there still replying even though i said I was out

oh look, another alt

oh look, another alt

He shoots... he misses.... awwwwww

I was under the impression that that vid wasn't 'live' gameplay.

Hope isn't going to put money in my pocket so I can feed my family. Fact

Hope isn't going to keep my mother from dying. Fact

Hope isn't going to make CCP make a good game. Fact

Hope didn't help those victims ravaged by a 2 mile wide hurricane. Fact

Hope didn't help the children at Sandy hook. Fact

Hoping something good will come of Dust lackadaisical development wont get you anywhere especially if it's already had 3 years on the table. CCP needs to get up and fix it.

Hope didn't make CCP fix the frame rate issues in this game. Fact

Hope didn't get CCP to fix the vehicle imbalance. Fact

Hope didn't get CCP to actually listen to us. Fact

But if you some how have magic hope and can do these things then hope away...

You'll need to define your definition of 'successful'.

The game can grow to 60k concurrent players with a million users and have a 10% p2p rate of 10/month or more and you've got a decent revenue stream.

The f2p model thrives on getting people to stick with their game. Having a passive progression mechanic is enticing to lots of former players to check back in.

Dust may never be as successful as the new cod game that comes out every 6 months in terms of box sales, or have as many concurrent players for those 6 months. But if done correctly and prudently it can still be a very lucrative and 'successful' title for CCP.

*facepalm*

After just insulting my troll skilz...

It wasn't but it certainly looks better than what we currently have. TBH there is no reason that the game shouldn't play that way now though.

CCP has always falsely advertised Dust. They've been quoted saying combat in Dust is fast and frantic but when you play you move like molasses. Everything about Dust is slow and boring.

While I'm not sure what the first portion of your post has to do with the subject at hand, I'll dismiss this and read into your post.

I agree, the game will take time, I can see how you would grow impatient. Nothing wrong with that. If it's going to take too long for you, that's fine....understandable even. Some here have more patience, and a realization of the timeline it took for CCP's other games to come to maturity. Dust is light years ahead of EVE with relation to the time it's been in the market. I'm ok playing while I enjoy it and checking back in if i get burnt out.

EVE and Dust have a feature that create the 'want' to come back for most gamers. The passive SP is the hook. It will keep the games population growing even as people leave, they'll return for something new down the road and they may stay or not. All it takes is CCP to release something new down the road and the cycle starts again.

I am fine with your opinions on timing, I may be a more patient gamer with a more optimistic view...you may not.. Nothing wrong with this, however, as is customary in these types of impasses....can i has your stuffs?

Look at the average shelf life of a CoD game, DLC included. Now multiply that times 10, and that's the projected success we should be seeing from dust. Plus you won't have to spend a dime on new content.

First bit means while you may have played EVE online and know how they developed there, you probably haven't played dust since the first closed beta build, and won't know exactly how CCP develop this game. I can pretty much predict from the patch notes if a nerf will be too much without stats, because its CCP and I have grown to know the,. I haven't grown impatient, just tired. CCP promised a lot in the year of 2013, but I know most of it won't come. If you have been playing the beta, you will know that CCP likes to take their time on gamebreaking problems, overnerfing them while at the same time completely breaking something at the same time I don't know how long you have played the closed/open beta for, but if you have played as long as I have, you know not to expect too much. I haven't grown impatient, I just laugh at how optimistic people are sometimes.

Trailer... super developer computer with all the settings WAY up. Unimplemented tests and the like...

Trailer... super developer computer with all the settings WAY up. Unimplemented tests and the like...

Cod only last a year because Treyarch wants money. So people are now conditioned to buy a COD every year. If you knew people would keep buying the same product year after year wouldn't you do the same?

BF titles usually last for 2 years because that's simply how DICE does it. It's about making money.

And believe it or not I believe Dust is a cash grab anyway for EVE. Notice how once Dust went into beta EVE went over 500,000 subs. There are people I know playing EVE that would've never batted an eye at it until Dust.

Cod only last a year because Treyarch wants money. So people are now conditioned to buy a COD every year. If you knew people would keep buying the same product year after year wouldn't you do the same?

BF titles usually last for 2 years because that's simply how DICE does it. It's about making money.

And believe it or not I believe Dust is a cash grab anyway for EVE. Notice how once Dust went into beta EVE went over 500,000 subs. There are people I know playing EVE that would've never batted an eye at it until Dust.

They're creating synergistic titles to increase cross game interest, sales, and growth. This is good for their business.

I think you're coming around but you haven't realized it yet.

Yeah well don't expect to much cross game interest if Dust doesn't take off...

That's good marketing on CCPs side. Why shell out $60 for a AAA floozie and another $10-30 later to invite her sister DLC when you get Dust 514 for free, never have to pay for new content, dedicated servers, and another game to consider since its in the same universe?

I talking about the game-play .... isn't that obvious ? I know the graphics are always up in Demo videos....

Never said it was a bad marketing ploy. But I believe that they don't really care about Dust and are only trying to use it to up EVE subscriptions.

Even though this game has dedicated servers it runs like a game that is peer to peer.

It's quite the opposite. At fanfest there was barely any new content in EVE Online, most of the work is going into Dust.

Gah, okay, addressing the subject of this thread.

Yes, DUST is not, strictly speaking, EVE Online. However, they are in the same universe, and they are liked, as games. The general theory behind the two games are similar (do what you want, even scam, without any official punishment), and the general structure of the equipment is similar.

This suggests that any mechanics should be similar (not the same), such as damage modifiers, spying mechanics, PC, etc. Now, this isn't to say that the game is perfect at its current stage, but EVE players do know more in-depth of how these things work in Eve online, and therefore in New Eden, and therefore how they should work in DUST 514. Not all of us EVE players abhor FPS's, and have actually played a few in the past.

We can all agree that the controls and some mechanics leave something to be desired, as well as some weapons balance. However, with regards to other in-game mechanics, such as vehicle balance or shield/armor, EVE players have more of a say than CoD or BF users. simply because they have more experience dealing with customising and optimising it.

I am sure no eve players play fps or understand mechanics. That has to be a fact