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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:03:00 -
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"So Lance, you're telling me these 2 games aren't the same?"
Well I thought by now people would have noticed this, but for some reason EVE Elitist keep referencing EVE like it's the same game, and making DUST into EVE is the solution to every problem in DUST atm.
I'm very much aware they have the same devs, share the same universe, and even on the same server, but lo and behold, they're not the same game, thus they shouldn't be treated the same.
OMG! REALLY?!!! Yes, really.
PC gamers =/= Console gamers.
FPS balancing =/= MMO RPG balancing (Balancing EVE based on data vs Balancing DUST based on data)
The sooner CCP realizes this, is the sooner DUST can become a far better game. Trying to please people that click on boxes, and look at spreadsheets while preaching "HTFU" and chanting "Welcome to New Eden" will be the downfall of this game.
Looking at only data while ignoring feedback, is a guaranteed way of unbalancing the game. Duvolle Tact. is fine btw 
CCP has been getting better and reaching out to the community, +1 to them. CPM members have for the most part been active...although some of them you don't ever see.
But yeah. Making DUST into EVE is not the solution to the problems in DUST atm...well unless you wanna make a point and click a box FPS 
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:13:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:
One could argue that the sooner you realize that CCP as a development studio has a unique way of doing things that you need to come to terms with....the better.
Furthermore, having knee-jerk emotional reactions to gaming balance without looking at data is a quicker route to failure than making informed, educated decisions.
CCP development style suits PC gamers.
Pretty sure I said looking @ data while ignoring feedback...
so yeah, just looking at data for a FPS has not been working out well has it? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:14:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Just to make you rage a little. It is not eve it is New Eden and some things should carry over. Eve is in the name and what not. Chill out dude, all these problems will work out over time. We are here for the long run and we want a robust, deep and hardcore shooter. Sit back, collect tears and enjoy the game as it is and what it will be.
rage? lol...
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:16:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:What are asking for here exactly? It sounds like you want a CoD/BF clone with a placebo spread sheet. Can I get some details on what you want?
who said anything about CoD or BF? 
I said DUST isn't EVE and you bring up these games?
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:21:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:
One could argue that the sooner you realize that CCP as a development studio has a unique way of doing things that you need to come to terms with....the better.
Furthermore, having knee-jerk emotional reactions to gaming balance without looking at data is a quicker route to failure than making informed, educated decisions.
CCP development style suits PC gamers. Pretty sure I said looking @ data while ignoring feedback... so yeah, just looking at data for a FPS has not been working out well has it? It's working fine. Your timelines for perfection is unrealistic. CCP's development style suits gamers that want something more than just the run of the mill clones in their genre. They revolutionized the space sim game and have laid the groundwork to do something great in the fps space. There is no doubt it will take time.
right... so taking them months to fix aiming falls perfectly into their timing I guess.
Also gun balancing issues...nah, CCP has their data for that...which btw, they've messed up a couple times while applying numbers.
I've always been cynical about how CCP handles their game for the console crowd. So you can be as optimistic as you want, while I stay as cynical as I want.
I'll give them props, but I'll point out flaws. Some people just all out CCP fanboys... *cough*eveplayers*cough* which is doing nothing to help DUST. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:35:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:
One could argue that the sooner you realize that CCP as a development studio has a unique way of doing things that you need to come to terms with....the better.
Furthermore, having knee-jerk emotional reactions to gaming balance without looking at data is a quicker route to failure than making informed, educated decisions.
CCP development style suits PC gamers. Pretty sure I said looking @ data while ignoring feedback... so yeah, just looking at data for a FPS has not been working out well has it? Started writing a post... got zoomed by 6 people
looks at current tank/ dropship / gun balance issues...
nah they listen
Don't think you know how many threads were made about tanks during chromosome...NONE were taken into consideration.
Heavy + HMG? lol... that showed me CCP's data is based on pubstomping noobs. They listen yes... and no  |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:36:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is good or correct. All other fps have the same problems but their games have a 6-8 month life span and it is not a big deal. We were in beta linger than most games live and release may not be the game we wanted but it is the game we have. Starting off a new thread calling eve players stupid isn't the best way to make friends or engage in conversations that are supposed to be constructive.
calling EVE players stupid? loooool
where did i say this? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:44:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is good or correct. All other fps have the same problems but their games have a 6-8 month life span and it is not a big deal. We were in beta linger than most games live and release may not be the game we wanted but it is the game we have. Starting off a new thread calling eve players stupid isn't the best way to make friends or engage in conversations that are supposed to be constructive. You asking CCP to do the impossible .... and you don't want to be call stupid ? In what way? What if Steve Jobs had been told that cell phones could only make calls and he should only make phones like they were. With out innovation and experimentation we would have the same old game over and over. I am asking for CCP to bring their vision to the table and stick to their guns. That is all I am asking.
I asked where did I call EVE players "stupid"...waiting for your reply |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:48:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
Quoting New Eden doctrine/catch phrases in response it an incomplete mechanic is both inaccurate and short sighted. Adapting to the effects and changes within the sandbox is one thing. Just like learning that in New Eden you won't have your hand held to keep you from making mistakes. But that's not equivalent to being unable to manage your assets/resources/corp because the game client lacks the features to permit it at present.
QQ over losing your faction fit Cap because you jumped into OMS uninvited? Yeah HTFU.
Point out that an unfinished mechanic is unfinished and exploitable? That simply needs addressed and phrases/attitudes applied to matters internal to the sandbox aren't really appropriate.
0.02 ISK
Cross
might be too much logic to process, so feel free to continue telling me about tears and "HTFU" some more Perfect amount of logic but contains blaring inaccuracies. Holding corps are mechanics to manage your assets/resources/corps. They solve the problem of PC security and awoxing. To me, it feels like, the whining is stemming from the fact there are a few corps that don't want to go through the trouble of transferring members or ownership of districts. Stop being lazy and asking to be spoonfed security when the mechanics to secure your corp already exist. how is creating another corp a "tool"? lol +1 for stupidity. GG I'm out Here?
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:53:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is good or correct. All other fps have the same problems but their games have a 6-8 month life span and it is not a big deal. We were in beta linger than most games live and release may not be the game we wanted but it is the game we have. Starting off a new thread calling eve players stupid isn't the best way to make friends or engage in conversations that are supposed to be constructive. calling EVE players stupid? loooool where did i say this? You called pilots eve elitist and I inferred that that to be derogatory, I did not mean to put words in your mouth. Sorry. Please let me try to correct myself, calling pilots elitist does not help us make friends or have constructive conversations. I am not being an ass, you didn't say that and I take it back.
lol
Elitist: considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position.
Now, to me that sounds like how EVE top corps / players are. |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:54:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child? I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion. Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised.
nope, i love hearing people's opinions, and i don't call people stupid for disagreeing with me...that's reserved for special occasions
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:02:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child? I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion. Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised. nope, i love hearing people's opinions, and i don't call people stupid for disagreeing with me...that's reserved for special occasions ...like...when you're losing an argument?! I mean... We can look at the context and to most informed in the matter....you come off as ignorant.... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80076&find=unread
that thread brings me right back to this thread...EVE players wanting DUST to be like EVE...
Ignorant? No. Trolly? sometimes. Losing an argument based on opinions? lol... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:08:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Ahh, well, in that case... Your troll skills need work, as does your aptitude in debating.
i like your backtracking... now it's "debating" and not an "argument"...which is it then? Two very different things depending on context at the time of usage.
Now don't go and GOOGLE the difference. You seem like a smart fellow...using an alt and all
My troll skills are fine, since I left you guys there still replying even though i said I was out |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:12:00 -
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lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:My troll skills are fine, since I left you guys there still replying even though i said I was out http://i.imgur.com/lUKZr8t.jpg
oh look, another alt
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:15:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:My troll skills are fine, since I left you guys there still replying even though i said I was out http://i.imgur.com/lUKZr8t.jpg oh look, another alt He shoots... he misses.... awwwwww
*facepalm*
After just insulting my troll skilz... |
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