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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:37:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:
One could argue that the sooner you realize that CCP as a development studio has a unique way of doing things that you need to come to terms with....the better.
Furthermore, having knee-jerk emotional reactions to gaming balance without looking at data is a quicker route to failure than making informed, educated decisions.
CCP development style suits PC gamers. Pretty sure I said looking @ data while ignoring feedback... so yeah, just looking at data for a FPS has not been working out well has it? Started writing a post... got zoomed by 6 people  looks at current tank/ dropship / gun balance issues... nah they listen Don't think you know how many threads were made about tanks during chromosome...NONE were taken into consideration. Heavy + HMG? lol... that showed me CCP's data is based on pubstomping noobs. They listen yes... and no 
I think the problem with HMG balancing stems from it being compared to light weapons since there aren't any other AI heavy weapons. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:41:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is good or correct. All other fps have the same problems but their games have a 6-8 month life span and it is not a big deal. We were in beta linger than most games live and release may not be the game we wanted but it is the game we have. Starting off a new thread calling eve players stupid isn't the best way to make friends or engage in conversations that are supposed to be constructive. You asking CCP to do the impossible .... and you don't want to be call stupid ?
In what way? What if Steve Jobs had been told that cell phones could only make calls and he should only make phones like they were. With out innovation and experimentation we would have the same old game over and over. I am asking for CCP to bring their vision to the table and stick to their guns. That is all I am asking. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
481
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:41:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:
One could argue that the sooner you realize that CCP as a development studio has a unique way of doing things that you need to come to terms with....the better.
Furthermore, having knee-jerk emotional reactions to gaming balance without looking at data is a quicker route to failure than making informed, educated decisions.
CCP development style suits PC gamers. Pretty sure I said looking @ data while ignoring feedback... so yeah, just looking at data for a FPS has not been working out well has it? Started writing a post... got zoomed by 6 people looks at current tank/ dropship / gun balance issues... nah they listen Don't think you know how many threads were made about tanks during chromosome...NONE were taken into consideration. Heavy + HMG? lol... that showed me CCP's data is based on pubstomping noobs. They listen yes... and no
The hurt is strong in this one...
Gun balance needs time and constant tweaking to get it right. Dropships are difficult to balance without creating ways to abuse it. Tanks have always been and always will be contriversial to someone lol, this is not a simple game where you choose a gun, a grenade and start running, everything interacts with everything else in a multitude of ways.
CCP listen... that doesnt mean we're right, or that they have to do anything |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:41:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:
One could argue that the sooner you realize that CCP as a development studio has a unique way of doing things that you need to come to terms with....the better.
Furthermore, having knee-jerk emotional reactions to gaming balance without looking at data is a quicker route to failure than making informed, educated decisions.
CCP development style suits PC gamers. Pretty sure I said looking @ data while ignoring feedback... so yeah, just looking at data for a FPS has not been working out well has it? It's working fine. Your timelines for perfection is unrealistic. CCP's development style suits gamers that want something more than just the run of the mill clones in their genre. They revolutionized the space sim game and have laid the groundwork to do something great in the fps space. There is no doubt it will take time. Judging from your likes, you have either just joined this game or dont post on the forums like myself. Lance and I have been playing Dust since the very first closed beta build, so we know how CCP develops their game over time, however as he said it is suited for PC gamers. I was optimistic once, like yourself, all the promises of a deeper FPS, all the stories and awesome mind boggling devblogs. But over time, I realised these weren't coming any time soon, its just how CCP develops their game, you know. I've been waiting for this game to become something else, but at this pace, it really won't any time soon, more like soonTM soon. Groundwork is all they have, it isn't an MMO at its core, it is an FPS, so something needs to change. They no longer have the closed beta shield to hide behind, patches to problems like aiming and Tac AR damage need to be dished out faster than they currently are.
While I'm not sure what the first portion of your post has to do with the subject at hand, I'll dismiss this and read into your post.
I agree, the game will take time, I can see how you would grow impatient. Nothing wrong with that. If it's going to take too long for you, that's fine....understandable even. Some here have more patience, and a realization of the timeline it took for CCP's other games to come to maturity. Dust is light years ahead of EVE with relation to the time it's been in the market. I'm ok playing while I enjoy it and checking back in if i get burnt out.
EVE and Dust have a feature that create the 'want' to come back for most gamers. The passive SP is the hook. It will keep the games population growing even as people leave, they'll return for something new down the road and they may stay or not. All it takes is CCP to release something new down the road and the cycle starts again.
I am fine with your opinions on timing, I may be a more patient gamer with a more optimistic view...you may not.. Nothing wrong with this, however, as is customary in these types of impasses....can i has your stuffs? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1805
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:44:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is good or correct. All other fps have the same problems but their games have a 6-8 month life span and it is not a big deal. We were in beta linger than most games live and release may not be the game we wanted but it is the game we have. Starting off a new thread calling eve players stupid isn't the best way to make friends or engage in conversations that are supposed to be constructive. You asking CCP to do the impossible .... and you don't want to be call stupid ? In what way? What if Steve Jobs had been told that cell phones could only make calls and he should only make phones like they were. With out innovation and experimentation we would have the same old game over and over. I am asking for CCP to bring their vision to the table and stick to their guns. That is all I am asking.
I asked where did I call EVE players "stupid"...waiting for your reply |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:46:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
Quoting New Eden doctrine/catch phrases in response it an incomplete mechanic is both inaccurate and short sighted. Adapting to the effects and changes within the sandbox is one thing. Just like learning that in New Eden you won't have your hand held to keep you from making mistakes. But that's not equivalent to being unable to manage your assets/resources/corp because the game client lacks the features to permit it at present.
QQ over losing your faction fit Cap because you jumped into OMS uninvited? Yeah HTFU.
Point out that an unfinished mechanic is unfinished and exploitable? That simply needs addressed and phrases/attitudes applied to matters internal to the sandbox aren't really appropriate.
0.02 ISK
Cross
might be too much logic to process, so feel free to continue telling me about tears and "HTFU" some more Perfect amount of logic but contains blaring inaccuracies. Holding corps are mechanics to manage your assets/resources/corps. They solve the problem of PC security and awoxing. To me, it feels like, the whining is stemming from the fact there are a few corps that don't want to go through the trouble of transferring members or ownership of districts. Stop being lazy and asking to be spoonfed security when the mechanics to secure your corp already exist. how is creating another corp a "tool"? lol +1 for stupidity. GG I'm out 
Here? |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
264
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:48:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is good or correct. All other fps have the same problems but their games have a 6-8 month life span and it is not a big deal. We were in beta linger than most games live and release may not be the game we wanted but it is the game we have. Starting off a new thread calling eve players stupid isn't the best way to make friends or engage in conversations that are supposed to be constructive. calling EVE players stupid? loooool where did i say this?
You called pilots eve elitist and I inferred that that to be derogatory, I did not mean to put words in your mouth. Sorry. Please let me try to correct myself, calling pilots elitist does not help us make friends or have constructive conversations. I am not being an ass, you didn't say that and I take it back. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1808
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:48:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
Quoting New Eden doctrine/catch phrases in response it an incomplete mechanic is both inaccurate and short sighted. Adapting to the effects and changes within the sandbox is one thing. Just like learning that in New Eden you won't have your hand held to keep you from making mistakes. But that's not equivalent to being unable to manage your assets/resources/corp because the game client lacks the features to permit it at present.
QQ over losing your faction fit Cap because you jumped into OMS uninvited? Yeah HTFU.
Point out that an unfinished mechanic is unfinished and exploitable? That simply needs addressed and phrases/attitudes applied to matters internal to the sandbox aren't really appropriate.
0.02 ISK
Cross
might be too much logic to process, so feel free to continue telling me about tears and "HTFU" some more Perfect amount of logic but contains blaring inaccuracies. Holding corps are mechanics to manage your assets/resources/corps. They solve the problem of PC security and awoxing. To me, it feels like, the whining is stemming from the fact there are a few corps that don't want to go through the trouble of transferring members or ownership of districts. Stop being lazy and asking to be spoonfed security when the mechanics to secure your corp already exist. how is creating another corp a "tool"? lol +1 for stupidity. GG I'm out Here?
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
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Panther Alpha
WarRavens
259
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:48:00 -
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Is not like CCP doesn't know the "Formula" ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0gOjOWDuI&feature=player_embedded
What the hell happen CCP ? why can't we have that ^ game ? |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:50:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child?
I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion.
Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised. |
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Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:52:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:
One could argue that the sooner you realize that CCP as a development studio has a unique way of doing things that you need to come to terms with....the better.
Furthermore, having knee-jerk emotional reactions to gaming balance without looking at data is a quicker route to failure than making informed, educated decisions.
CCP development style suits PC gamers. Pretty sure I said looking @ data while ignoring feedback... so yeah, just looking at data for a FPS has not been working out well has it? It's working fine. Your timelines for perfection is unrealistic. CCP's development style suits gamers that want something more than just the run of the mill clones in their genre. They revolutionized the space sim game and have laid the groundwork to do something great in the fps space. There is no doubt it will take time.
This game has been in dev since 2010. It's now 2013 the release version of the game which is one year late runs like a beta. How much longer do they need to fix frame rate issues, FPS gameplay mechanics? The FPS side of Dust should've been done first then the rpg elements could have been built around it. Dust is looking like a nice house built on a **** poor foundation. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1808
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:53:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is good or correct. All other fps have the same problems but their games have a 6-8 month life span and it is not a big deal. We were in beta linger than most games live and release may not be the game we wanted but it is the game we have. Starting off a new thread calling eve players stupid isn't the best way to make friends or engage in conversations that are supposed to be constructive. calling EVE players stupid? loooool where did i say this? You called pilots eve elitist and I inferred that that to be derogatory, I did not mean to put words in your mouth. Sorry. Please let me try to correct myself, calling pilots elitist does not help us make friends or have constructive conversations. I am not being an ass, you didn't say that and I take it back.
lol
Elitist: considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position.
Now, to me that sounds like how EVE top corps / players are. |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:53:00 -
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Elrick Mercer wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:
One could argue that the sooner you realize that CCP as a development studio has a unique way of doing things that you need to come to terms with....the better.
Furthermore, having knee-jerk emotional reactions to gaming balance without looking at data is a quicker route to failure than making informed, educated decisions.
CCP development style suits PC gamers. Pretty sure I said looking @ data while ignoring feedback... so yeah, just looking at data for a FPS has not been working out well has it? It's working fine. Your timelines for perfection is unrealistic. CCP's development style suits gamers that want something more than just the run of the mill clones in their genre. They revolutionized the space sim game and have laid the groundwork to do something great in the fps space. There is no doubt it will take time. This game has been in dev since 2010. It's now 2013 the release version of the game which is one year late runs like a beta. How much longer do they need to fix frame rate issues, FPS gameplay mechanics? The FPS side of Dust should've been done first then the rpg elements could have been built around it. Dust is looking like a nice house built on a **** poor foundation.
7 more years.
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Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:54:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Cosgar wrote:What are asking for here exactly? It sounds like you want a CoD/BF clone with a placebo spread sheet. Can I get some details on what you want? Is that the only thing, you guys can say to prove you point ?; "It sounds like you want a CoD/BF clone" That is getting old now... try something new. I am curious to what they want. The devs listen and then implement fixes and I am very confused what he wants the game to be like because I thought DUST is what it is and not something game. We are different than eve in lots of different ways, I just don't get it I guess. Simple really... is only one "recipe" you can follow to make a FPS... the fact that everyone follows the same recipe, doesn't means that you "Copying" other people... You just using the working "Formula", that has been effective for DECADES of gaming. You wonder why people tell you to 'go play cod' when you're advocating that games have to follow the 'cod' formula to be a 'working formula' If you want cod, go play cod, i saw an advertisement for a new one. Meanwhile, I'll be here hoping for a revolutionary gaming experience that redefines the formula. *fingers crossed*
hope can only get you so far...
Looking at what COD and BF have done FPS wise for this game would not be making a COD/BF clone just using what works. No instead they went the route of using Section 8 gameplay mechanics. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1808
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:54:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child? I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion. Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised.
nope, i love hearing people's opinions, and i don't call people stupid for disagreeing with me...that's reserved for special occasions
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
264
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:55:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child? I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion. Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised.
Easy, we need passion and lance has passion. Things rub people the wrong way but that doesn't give us a reason to be uncivilized. |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:56:00 -
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Elrick Mercer wrote:
hope can only get you so far...
Huh!? Did you recently hear this on a lifetime movie and think it would be an appropriate reply?
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Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:58:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:
hope can only get you so far...
Huh!? Did you recently hear this on a lifetime movie and think it would be an appropriate reply?
Actually no. It's a fact hope will only get you so far. I had hope 3 years ago that Dust would be a good game but it was screwed when this is what we got. A worse slower version version of Section 8... |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:58:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child? I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion. Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised. nope, i love hearing people's opinions, and i don't call people stupid for disagreeing with me...that's reserved for special occasions
...like...when you're losing an argument?!
I mean... We can look at the context and to most informed in the matter....you come off as ignorant....
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80076&find=unread |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
34
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:59:00 -
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Elrick Mercer wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:
hope can only get you so far...
Huh!? Did you recently hear this on a lifetime movie and think it would be an appropriate reply? Actually no. It's a fact hope will only get you so far. I had hope 3 years ago that Dust would be a good game but it was screwed when this is what we got. A worse slower version version of Section 8...
Fact's can be proven. Can you prove 'hope can only get you so far'? |
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
264
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:59:00 -
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I apologized for saying you said that, I should have quoted you instead of inferring the meaning. I can't do much more than that. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1809
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:02:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child? I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion. Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised. nope, i love hearing people's opinions, and i don't call people stupid for disagreeing with me...that's reserved for special occasions ...like...when you're losing an argument?! I mean... We can look at the context and to most informed in the matter....you come off as ignorant.... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80076&find=unread
that thread brings me right back to this thread...EVE players wanting DUST to be like EVE...
Ignorant? No. Trolly? sometimes. Losing an argument based on opinions? lol... |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
34
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:03:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child? I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion. Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised. nope, i love hearing people's opinions, and i don't call people stupid for disagreeing with me...that's reserved for special occasions ...like...when you're losing an argument?! I mean... We can look at the context and to most informed in the matter....you come off as ignorant.... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80076&find=unread that thread brings me right back to this thread...EVE players wanting DUST to be like EVE... Ignorant? No. Trolly? sometimes. Losing an argument based on opinions? lol...
Ahh, well, in that case... Your troll skills need work, as does your aptitude in debating.
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Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:05:00 -
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That looks much better than what we have. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
264
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:06:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
your stupidy =/= EVE players... just yours
You must be an only child? I suspect that because you immediately view others as stupid when they don't agree with your opinion. Good news! It's not your fault... it's how you were raised. nope, i love hearing people's opinions, and i don't call people stupid for disagreeing with me...that's reserved for special occasions ...like...when you're losing an argument?! I mean... We can look at the context and to most informed in the matter....you come off as ignorant.... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80076&find=unread that thread brings me right back to this thread...EVE players wanting DUST to be like EVE... Ignorant? No. Trolly? sometimes. Losing an argument based on opinions? lol...
Yes , we want it to be like eve because it is a product of eve, set in the same time and universe with links that are more than just a name of a system or type of weapons. |
lllIIIlI IIIlIl
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:06:00 -
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There is no such thing as an FPS formula. There is also no such thing as revolutionary gameplay or redefining the FPS genre. There are only successful games and unsuccessful games. Looking at DUST right now it's pretty obvious where it's going to stand on that spectrum in the next couple of months. And for a game with the mechanics such as DUST, if it doesn't take off after the first ~3 months it never will. |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
153
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:08:00 -
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Elrick Mercer wrote:That looks much better than what we have.
I was under the impression that that vid wasn't 'live' gameplay. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1809
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:08:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Ahh, well, in that case... Your troll skills need work, as does your aptitude in debating.
i like your backtracking... now it's "debating" and not an "argument"...which is it then? Two very different things depending on context at the time of usage.
Now don't go and GOOGLE the difference. You seem like a smart fellow...using an alt and all
My troll skills are fine, since I left you guys there still replying even though i said I was out |
lllIIIlI IIIlIl
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:11:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:My troll skills are fine, since I left you guys there still replying even though i said I was out
http://i.imgur.com/lUKZr8t.jpg |
Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:12:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Elrick Mercer wrote:
hope can only get you so far...
Huh!? Did you recently hear this on a lifetime movie and think it would be an appropriate reply? Actually no. It's a fact hope will only get you so far. I had hope 3 years ago that Dust would be a good game but it was screwed when this is what we got. A worse slower version version of Section 8... Fact's can be proven. Can you prove 'hope can only get you so far'?
Hope isn't going to put money in my pocket so I can feed my family. Fact
Hope isn't going to keep my mother from dying. Fact
Hope isn't going to make CCP make a good game. Fact
Hope didn't help those victims ravaged by a 2 mile wide hurricane. Fact
Hope didn't help the children at Sandy hook. Fact
Hoping something good will come of Dust lackadaisical development wont get you anywhere especially if it's already had 3 years on the table. CCP needs to get up and fix it.
Hope didn't make CCP fix the frame rate issues in this game. Fact
Hope didn't get CCP to fix the vehicle imbalance. Fact
Hope didn't get CCP to actually listen to us. Fact
But if you some how have magic hope and can do these things then hope away...
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