Here's my message to all of the Eve veterans who might have their heads stuck in the Eve fishbowl:

Dust 514 and Eve cannot be compared and cannot be held to the same standards.

I know.. your eyes started twitching, your face is red, and your neck started itching a little. I'll explain:

Eve Online, from what I understand is some no-holds-barred free for all MMO, with a deep economy and faction system. From what I've seen in videos, combat looks like a ship sitting still in space while a bunch of laser fly around. Basically, Eve Online is a unique and quirky MMO that has the distinct luxury of being held by it's own standard.

Now that CCP has created Dust 514, that luxury is gone.

When CCP created Dust 514, they stepped into the largest, highest earning, and most competitive genre in all of gaming: first-person shooter games. And whether they like it or not, their game is held to that standard. Gone is the unique privilege of playing by your own rules and expecting everyone to accept it. Economy, loot tables, skill systems, planetary conquest, faction warfare and all other things are secondary in priority to gameplay control, game balance, and accessibility of new players. And if you think I'm dead wrong about not being held to your own standard, let me remind you who decides. Here's a hint: It's not you.

This game will live or die by the experience of players within the first 30-45 minutes of playing.

I'm an incredibly patient gamer, which is why I'm still here. (400-lap races in Gran Turismo, anyone?) Unfortunately, most players are not very patient. They know that Dust 514 is an FPS game before they play it, and they're going to hold it to the standard of other games like Call of Duty and Battlefield the first time they play it whether you like it or not. And frankly, that's their right. Ultimately they have a choice, and they'll choose what's most fun in that moment. After all, video games are an escape from reality so you need to replace reality with something fun and not so tedious. There were many times when I first started playing Dust 514 when I asked myself, "Why am I doing this when I could be playing Battlefield 3 and actually win?"

This is getting too ranty, so I'll cut it short here. Keep in mind that we're competing for the attention of FPS players against the heaviest hitters in the industry. Unless we make sure they have fun from the start, we'll lose them. When choosing the direction of Dust 514, everything takes a back seat to gameplay controls, game balance, and new player accessibility.

I like how everyone always post. "THE DOOM OF DUST" and that people have no patience....

And yet.....

Everyone of them always admits. "well, I am patient am I'm different then all the other QQ people who will quit this game"

Umm.. No..

You are all the same and people will be waiting for the game to get better.

I'm sad you aren't having fun. I'm having a blast. I love this patch.

Let's see. HTFU, welcome to New Eden, adapt or die, QQ more. Did i hit all the standard answers? :)

HEY! It's been awhile since I've seen a "DUST is bad, DUST is dead" thread! Woo! Go haters, go haters go!

Let's see. HTFU, welcome to New Eden, adapt or die, QQ more. Did i hit all the standard answers? :)

Unfortunately, most players are not very patient. They know that Dust 514 is an FPS game before they play it, and they're going to hold it to the standard of other games like Call of Duty and Battlefield the first time they play it whether you like it or not. And frankly, that's their right. Ultimately they have a choice, and they'll choose what's most fun in that moment. After all, video games are an escape from reality so you need to replace reality with something fun and not so tedious.

No this game does not have to dragged down to the standards of other shooters it can be different.

I'm down with that. Completely. I'm quite happy not having yappy bored QQ gamers playing alongside me. I like folks who can play the long game.

I hate FPS games. I love DUST. 'Nuff said.

The OP is half right and half wrong.

While DUST514 is indeed an FPS - it's one that offers a huge universe of 10 years worth of meta. While game mechanics SHOULD TAKE PRIORITY OVER META, it's the meta that will keep people here. You can shoot a gun at anyone in any FPS - but will shooting that person lead to an entire planet being conquered? You won't find that experience anywhere else.

EVE tards are taking there way of things too far and will ultimately be despised by the FPS community. Which will lead DUST down the same road EVE did - which is not what CCP wants, and nothing any of us says seems to help these guys understand that. If DUST has 100+ planets eventually with thousands of districts... but the population is only 4,000 at any given time... then we have a lot of empty spaces that will never be filled - why? Because EVE wants there way which harms the player experience.

Different people have different interests. Dust caters to those that are not satisfied by what the current market offers. Just like eve has survived not in spite but because it made things very different then the rest.

There's more than the generic FPS shooter fan and CCP knows this.

It doesn't matter how unique your game is if the core gameplay mechanics handle worse than the current FPS market champions, or if it doesn't offer enjoyment to new players. The game should definitely be unique, but as the game progresses, the first priority should be gameplay and accessibility for new players.

When you neglect the standards by which the common player holds all FPS games, you do so to your own detriment. This is a business -- you don't get to just make the game you want and ignore gameplay and accessibility of new players.

There were many times when I first started playing Dust 514 when I asked myself, "Why am I doing this when I could be playing Battlefield 3 and actually win?"

Well OBVIOUSLY what OP is saying is...Make it CoD in space and you'll succeed

Well, answer that question, and you found one of the reasons why Dust has a right to exist the way CCP has made it. If CCP wanted to make another Battlefield or Call of Duty, they would have done it. And of course they would have failed, which is why they didn't do it in the first place.

It doesn't matter how unique your game is if the core gameplay mechanics handle worse than the current FPS market champions, or if it doesn't offer enjoyment to new players. The game should definitely be unique, but as the game progresses, the first priority should be gameplay and accessibility for new players.

I'll repeat myself yet again: Prioritize gameplay mechanics, balance, and ease of new player accessibility over the uniqueness of Dust 514, because those first 3 elements are being held to the standard of popular FPS games by potential players -- NOT the uniquess of Dust 514.

I'll repeat myself yet again: Prioritize gameplay mechanics, balance, and ease of new player accessibility over the uniqueness of Dust 514, because those first 3 elements are being held to the standard of popular FPS games by potential players -- NOT the uniquess of Dust 514.

What I'm saying is: Dust without its uniqueness would be a complete failure and, imho, wouldn't have a right to exist. Because it would be just a lame attempt at copying some of the big FPS games we already have in the market for years, and nobody needs that.

Let's see. HTFU, welcome to New Eden, adapt or die, QQ more. Did i hit all the standard answers? :)