Aurum and plex is what will keep new players around. In eve it takes about seven days to be competitive the plex system hepls new players right off the bat with isk. In turn eve players gets 30 days of free play.

Dust aurum is what new players need to be semi competive until they have enough isk and sp to get better gear. I agree the core gameplay needs to be better.

No disrespect but dust is for nerds aka smart people. My son is 13 years old and he knows everything about dust, but he's an honor student. He took the time to read everything.

So you have to have some type of intellect to play this shooter, most gamers don't. Im almost 40 this is the type of games i like. I have to think about everything. I also have a job meaning i will spend money on dust.

CCP history with eve along with the adults who spend will keep dust trust it will get better. Dust will have a small community that spends money.

If my 13 year old son can play dust with no problem then so can i.

Jah bless.

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Unfortunately, for once, I agee with Panther Alpha. This game isn't for "smart people". It's for those who are dedicated enough to put time into the game to fully understand the ins and outs, or even the basic SP system. You don't need to be an "honors student" to play the game.

I disagree with him on the metagaming part, though, you need to do something in a very well-thought out manner to get anywhere in this game. Panther, try to get an alt into a big corp and to sabotage their match. Double dog dare ya.

Unfortunately, for once, I agee with Panther Alpha. This game isn't for "smart people". It's for those who are dedicated enough to put time into the game to fully understand the ins and outs, or even the basic SP system. You don't need to be an "honors student" to play the game.

I disagree with him on the metagaming part, though, you need to do something in a very well-thought out manner to get anywhere in this game. Panther, try to get an alt into a big corp and to sabotage their match. Double dog dare ya.

Dust 514= Thinking man's shooter

Halo, COD, Unreal/Quake= Mindless shooter

BF-BF3= Went from thinking man's shooter to mindless shooter.

People keep saying it is thinking man's shooter.

What are you thinking about that is so unique in Dust?

I sure hope you are not thinking that you are thinking when you spend Skill points in the skill tree....Tweeking numbers on a spread sheet in a computer in a computer simulation is not thinking...in fact the whole reason the universe invented spread sheets is because everyone wanted to not think about that garbage.

WTF are you even talking about when you say crap like "thinking man's shooter"?

The OP is half right and half wrong.

While DUST514 is indeed an FPS - it's one that offers a huge universe of 10 years worth of meta. While game mechanics SHOULD TAKE PRIORITY OVER META, it's the meta that will keep people here. You can shoot a gun at anyone in any FPS - but will shooting that person lead to an entire planet being conquered? You won't find that experience anywhere else.

EVE tards are taking there way of things too far and will ultimately be despised by the FPS community. Which will lead DUST down the same road EVE did - which is not what CCP wants, and nothing any of us says seems to help these guys understand that. If DUST has 100+ planets eventually with thousands of districts... but the population is only 4,000 at any given time... then we have a lot of empty spaces that will never be filled - why? Because EVE wants there way which harms the player experience.

I have played plentiful games that require skill (Black on PS2 anyone?)

I see you took that literal. It means your average everyday casual COD run & gunner won't understand the concept of dust the first time he/she plays it. Hell, I had a hard time in the beginning figuring this game out. Then I started to understand with a little patience how it works.

That's WTF I'm talking about smart ass. Maybe if you step outside your elitist world, you would know some of these gaming terms. The universe would be much better without you thinking about what I thought about.

Sooo...there is nothing literal that makes this game a thinking mans game? Only that a lobby FPS with an RPG leveling system slapped onto it confused you? Also i am pretty sure a CoD player can understand the concept of shooting people and spending points you earn into items and levels....i am also pretty sure most of them on the PS3 have tried the game and thought "this is it? Crap lobby FPS (just like CoD by the way) with a RPG leveling system slapped on it to....where are the scifi epic battles? where is the market system? Where is the persistent universe they keep talking about, why can't my gun hit that guy across the way? Why are all these idiots running around in the open? Why are my head shots doing nothing to them?....hell i will just go back to CoD at least the FPS is good in that game."

It seems some people completely misunderstood the OP. He's saying the controls and gameplay of Dust is not to standard ie the FPS side. Sure all the meta stuff and rpg stuff is great but when you look at Dust as an FPS it's sub par. Dust is being advertised as an mmofps not mmorpg so naturally a fan of fps games will download it and go WTF is this?

There have been tons of threads pleading to CCP to get FPS gameplay down first but they didn't listen. So now we are stuck with a great mmorpg as far as skills and economy goes but below standard FPS. After a year of beta testing aiming is still bad, hit detection can be wonky at times, frame rate is terrible, horrible weapon imbalance etc. The list goes on.

CCP has done nothing but listen to the EVE crowd now it's time to listen to the FPS side and fix the actual draw of the game.

Your shot can change a galaxy if you don't have frame rate issues...

Aurum and plex is what will keep new players around. In eve it takes about seven days to be competitive the plex system hepls new players right off the bat with isk. In turn eve players gets 30 days of free play.

Dust aurum is what new players need to be semi competive until they have enough isk and sp to get better gear. I agree the core gameplay needs to be better.

No disrespect but dust is for nerds aka smart people. My son is 13 years old and he knows everything about dust, but he's an honor student. He took the time to read everything.

So you have to have some type of intellect to play this shooter, most gamers don't. Im almost 40 this is the type of games i like. I have to think about everything. I also have a job meaning i will spend money on dust.

CCP history with eve along with the adults who spend will keep dust trust it will get better. Dust will have a small community that spends money.

If my 13 year old son can play dust with no problem then so can i.

Jah bless.

Sorry, but i can't see the MMO in Dust 514....Is not different than any other "Normal" FPS multiplayer game

Yeah I agree the MMO part is lacking as well. Instanced battles and a player cap of 16 v 16 is not very MMO. Planetside 2 is the only true MMOFPS now that I think about it.

It seems some people completely misunderstood the OP. He's saying the controls and gameplay of Dust is not to standard ie the FPS side. Sure all the meta stuff and rpg stuff is great but when you look at Dust as an FPS it's sub par. Dust is being advertised as an mmofps not mmorpg so naturally a fan of fps games will download it and go WTF is this?

There have been tons of threads pleading to CCP to get FPS gameplay down first but they didn't listen. So now we are stuck with a great mmorpg as far as skills and economy goes but below standard FPS. After a year of beta testing aiming is still bad, hit detection can be wonky at times, frame rate is terrible, horrible weapon imbalance etc. The list goes on.

CCP has done nothing but listen to the EVE crowd now it's time to listen to the FPS side and fix the actual draw of the game.

Your shot can change a galaxy if you don't have frame rate issues...

Dude, I play EVE and know that the FPS meat of the game is sub par at best, so you can stop blaming the EVE crowd. They screwed the pooch on uprising, admitted it and are trying to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with. If you're expecting this to be a twitch shooter with a placebo spreadsheet, you're playing the wrong game.

It's a thinking man's game because you're not supposed to run around like a lemming on crack with a GEK-38. You're supposed to work with your squad use that orders radial for more than placing a defend order on someone to farm WP. It's times like this where I wish FF was turned on so we can really see some teamwork instead of blob warfare with TARs.