1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

I do not agree about a kick option. Limiting a players availability to join without rank permission is enough - if they get past that hurdle they should be able to sabotage at pleasure.

But if you want to add a kick SQUAD option - that would add a layer to sabotaging and prevention.

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^^^ That's for you CCP

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

I do not agree about a kick option. Limiting a players availability to join without rank permission is enough - if they get past that hurdle they should be able to sabotage at pleasure.

But if you want to add a kick SQUAD option - that would add a layer to sabotaging and prevention.

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^^^ That's for you CCP

I do not agree about a kick option. Limiting a players availability to join without rank permission is enough - if they get past that hurdle they should be able to sabotage at pleasure.

But if you want to add a kick SQUAD option - that would add a layer to sabotaging and prevention.

I do not agree about a kick option. Limiting a players availability to join without rank permission is enough - if they get past that hurdle they should be able to sabotage at pleasure.

But if you want to add a kick SQUAD option - that would add a layer to sabotaging and prevention.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

Simply put - all of your guys's idea is indeed taking away from Meta.

I would prefer we find a balance of sabotage vs protection, and a kicking function simply eliminates sabotaging.

And I never said my idea was full proof - hehe.

If you infiltrate far enough to earn the right to enter PC without a squad leader - then you did what any good spy wants and to get kicked immediately trying after all the time you put getting the rank to get in there - would be silly.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

Not saying anything new, not that I disagree. Just another example of CCP pushing something before its ready.

We don't need to kick them, just mark them as an enemy.

So a 16 on 16 just turned into a 15 on 17, you'll live.

Who says kicking limits sabotaging? What if the infiltrator has the ability to kick...do you think that will end well?

Kicking can be used to help the infiltrated, or it can be used to screw over the them even more.

Its in EVE already, so it needs to come to Dust.


EDIT: and if he gets kicked right away, all it means is he's a bad spy and doesn't deserve to do damage

We don't need to kick them, just mark them as an enemy.

So a 16 on 16 just turned into a 15 on 17, you'll live.

I really really like that idea alot.

+1

unless its 14 vs 18. But then It comes back to your gun game. If your corp is so called "BAD ASS" One player on your team should not have an issue against 2. 3 maybe. But it should be 1>2. This is still a fps by the slimmest margin, but still an fps.

If the saboteur has the ability to kick he probably has access to your wallet and the ability to simply remove all members from the corps. Getting kicks mid-game would be the least of your concerns.

But I understand where you're coming from.

The issues is whose clones take the hit once you mark them red? The biggest issue isn't the team killing, its the ability for them to suicide and reduce your districts clone count.

I really don't want/need a kick feature. Only the ability to choose who in the corp will be allowed to deploy squads/teams into PC battles.

If a spy manages to get those and sabotages the battle, well gg sir well played.

Simply put - all of your guys's idea is indeed taking away from Meta.

I would prefer we find a balance of sabotage vs protection, and a kicking function simply eliminates sabotaging.

And I never said my idea was full proof - hehe.

If you infiltrate far enough to earn the right to enter PC without a squad leader - then you did what any good spy wants and to get kicked immediately trying after all the time you put getting the rank to get in there - would be silly.

Simply put - all of your guys's idea is indeed taking away from Meta.

I would prefer we find a balance of sabotage vs protection, and a kicking function simply eliminates sabotaging.

And I never said my idea was full proof - hehe.

If you infiltrate far enough to earn the right to enter PC without a squad leader - then you did what any good spy wants and to get kicked immediately trying after all the time you put getting the rank to get in there - would be silly.

The issues is whose clones take the hit once you mark them red? The biggest issue isn't the team killing, its the ability for them to suicide and reduce your districts clone count.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

I disagree. Spies could actually...you know...do what spies do. Infiltrate, develop trust, gain access to alliance/corp plans of action, relay intel to home base, and potentially move up the ladder to perform more devious acts such as starting a mutiny or emptying corp wallets.

AWOXing isn't spying. AWOXing is performing a Trojan.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

. 3 Always expect your enemies to do the easiest thing possible for them to win

lol

Trust me, only scrubby corps and players think this way. Real competitive gamers, and people with the slightest backbone and testicular fortitude have nothing to do with this lazy ass, none skilled, scrubby, **** stain you're trying to lay off as a tactic.

That's why you're in Betamax. Be happy with your blue donut, EZ mode, lazy ass way of playing a FPS. "Oh we're not good enough with guns, so let's exploit the **** mechanic CCP has in place, and call that "spy work".

Pathetic. Glad people like you have NOTHING to do with corps in EoN.

lol

Trust me, only scrubby corps and players think this way. Real competitive gamers, and people with the slightest backbone and testicular fortitude have nothing to do with this lazy ass, none skilled, scrubby, **** stain you're trying to lay off as a tactic.

That's why you're in Betamax. Be happy with your blue donut, EZ mode, lazy ass way of playing a FPS. "Oh we're not good enough with guns, so let's exploit the **** mechanic CCP has in place, and call that "spy work".

Pathetic. Glad people like you have NOTHING to do with corps in EoN.

lol@ people who think they're "spais" just cause they're applications got approved.
EVE players are laughing as we speak.

Pretty sure they're laughing at the console babies making a stink about a mechanic that they've been working with for 10 years and haven't raised this much of a stink over.

It's even funnier that some of these EVE players are part of the AWOXing

Apparently you've never played a CCP game before, nor understand the whole point of a game like DUST being part of EVE Online.

But sure bud, just keep pretending you're super special "honor" is of any value.

So you're telling me that traitors can't get kicked from a fleet?

He never said honor one time in his post, LOL

Some people prefer to actually play the game and shoot at people rather than try to fish for easy wins. That may be a foreign concept to someone as unskilled as you, but I assure you that's what he meant.

I agree there needs a prevention mechanism in place. I think kicking mid match is not it. Once they are there and on the ground they are there. The ability to green light who and who can't join a battle in the first place is pretty good. The ability to eject people from the match if they are on the war barge is also good. I don't know how you'd delegate that power out though... Directors or director assigned squad leaders?

Hmmm....this is a tough one

All I'm saying is that joining a PC battle should be a bit harder than just being allowed into a corp.

And yes, I don't think "spies" should get kicked, but we should be able to mark them as an enemy and make it so that they're cut off from our clone supply. If they're going to shoot at me, then I want to shoot back at them without losing WP for it.

The clone used for his spawn his lost immediately, every death after that is paid by the other side.

Oh look, its the guy who left last time we spoke because he couldn't handle the discussion.

Yes, the simple minded like to point their bang bang stick and shoot reds. We who enjoy more complex things than just simplistic and repetitive gameplay enjoy something called "meta-gaming" and have a long history of doing this. You might want to look up EVE Online and its 10 years of history full of players who do just this, and so much more.

And thanks for trying to assert I'm "unskilled" at this game. It's an interesting stance really, I seem to have a better grasp at more than the "point and shoot" mechanics CCP has implemented and said they'd include into the game. Your posts just continue to show how salty you get when your little group of friends get roughed up by people who are, in all facets of life, better than you. We know how to play this game in a far greater scale than you could possibly imagine, and yet you try to e-thug. Its adorable really.

Now, I'll ask you to take a seat and just let the big boys do the talking. That's a dear.

One person suggested that the "AWOXer be moved to the other team" so that in essence you go from a 16vs16 match to say an 15vs17 match. That's something that is fairly reasonable and most could agree is acceptable for an in-game mechanic to prevent AWOXing during the middle of the match.

We don't need to kick them, just mark them as an enemy.
So a 16 on 16 just turned into a 15 on 17, you'll live.

Problem with this marking the infiltrator red and then the infiltrator using the 'enemys' clones is that this opens up a whole new can-of-worms.

Suppose the 'infiltrator' and his corp mark the infiltrator intentionally 'red' just to deplete the enemys clones faster.

Pretty sure this is the 4th wall of text I've gotten you to rattle off today, and they all boil down to one or two fallacies and ad hominem attacks. You're trying so hard to make some kind of a convoluted point about "meta-gaming" taking any amount of skill or complexity when that's obviously not the case here...have you even played this game?

i'll give it a 2/10 for getting me to reply

We don't need to kick them, just mark them as an enemy.
So a 16 on 16 just turned into a 15 on 17, you'll live.

Junior, if you think that was a "wall of text" I really would like to talk to your gradeschool teachers.

You've yet to really counter any of the points about the meta-game being less important than your suggest it to be outside of "lol you're dumb" I know words are hard for you to form, and grammatically sound sentences confuse you but please try your best.

Since you are asserting any "meta-game" is actually super easy and playing the FPS aspect of the game is the real "challenge" please, explain your point more thorougly. I'm all ears. Thus far you've just said "lol spying isn't hard, and costing matches isn't at all challenging." I really do want to know how you think pointing your gun and clicking a button makes anything like infiltrating and gouging of corporation assets less challenging or even important at all to DUST. I explained it prevoiusly, the less stuff you have, the less successful you'll be. You seem unable to grasp that despite simplistic examples. I provided examples of market manipulation which you went on to laugh and not actually counter with a sound rebuttal outside of "LOOOOOOOOOOOL", I get it these things are complicated for you, but really if you want to try and be a forum warrior at least bring better weapons to the table kid.



I wasn't sure if yours was the original post I saw or not. It's a valid proposal to the issue.

There's another 12 lines of text I'm not going to bother reading, just like the last essay you wrote for me. If you can't grasp the concept of skilled players wanting to actually play the game rather than fish for easy wins, that's pretty pathetic.

There's another 12 lines of text I'm not going to bother reading, just like the last essay you wrote for me. If you can't grasp the concept of skilled players wanting to actually play the game rather than fish for easy wins, that's pretty pathetic.

If someone is kicked from a PC match, I don't think they should be thrown out instantly, and I ALSO don't think they should be put on the other team.

They should be simply barred from respawning. They die, they're out. They stay alive, they can keep doing what they're doing.

But in the first place, CEOs need to be able to assign roles other than "Director" in DUST. We need the ability to have CEO and Director with full (or nearly full) access, then have specialised roles with the ability to do different things. Regular Corp members should be able to join PC matches alone or with a squad entirely consisting of Corpmates.

We should have a Battlefield Commander role in which a Corp member with the title (or a CEO/Director) can block other Corp members or non-members from entering PC. Give a quick-select tool to "block all" and "unblock all" if needed, so you can shut down anyone but the players designated for that battle and avoid unauthorised wasting of clones, or while the battles in progress you can quickly open the field if you lose a player and say "who's available?" rather than having to sort through and find the appropriate member to unblock. You could also allow these Commanders to declare attacks on enemy Corps. Or have a Commander role and a Field Commander role with one having access to attack orders and the other not.

It would also help if you needed to have a "Squad Leader" title before you could bring non-members into a Corp Battle. Any Corp member can create a squad of Corpmates and join (unless blocked), but only a Squad Leader (or, obviously, Commander/Director/CEO) can supply ringers.

This would also open the way to having non-combat roles like a Treasurer with wallet access but without the combat-related controls.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

Apparently you've never played a CCP game before, nor understand the whole point of a game like DUST being part of EVE Online.

But sure bud, just keep pretending you're super special "honor" is of any value.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

Then the system has to change. It's not that there will be a fix implemented in the next two weeks or so. There'd be time to make it so that the offending party stays ingame but can't spawn anymore. There'd be no replacement for him or anything.

Stopping someone from spawning or 'denying them clones' is still a kick. The system kicks you out if you don't (or can't) spawn.

If someone manages to worm their way in after a role is made required to join PC... They should stay in.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

You're missing the point.

The point is... The person should be allowed to carry out their mischeif. They've burned and alt which is likely going to be kicked out of the corp to do it. There should be no "easy out" for the corporation being sabotaged that simply lets them stop the sabotage from a context menu. That's horrible.

Stopping someone from spawning or 'denying them clones' is still a kick. The system kicks you out if you don't (or can't) spawn.

If someone manages to worm their way in after a role is made required to join PC... They should stay in.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

the problem with not being able to deal with those people in match is that you can just throw it if it is infiltrated... people are always pulling up analogies to eve on this subject... then i'll do the same... if you have a dude in fleet that starts killing your own people you can deal with him and remove him from the field, by killing him dead and podding him. in dust as it stands now you can't do **** about things after the offending party got in match. you have no way of removing him. then if you don't want to have a 'kick' button then give the 'victimes' some form of tacnet disabling weapon so they have to change their suits to get that and hunt down the offending party to remove him. and after he is removed the game can at least progress further... the 'victims' are still at an disadvantage but there's a chance to turn around stuff.

but not having any kind of option is worse because as soon as somebody infiltrated a game you can just throw the towel for that match and lean back and don't spawn in anymore, because there's nothing you can do really.

i just want another way to deal with it then just saying "**** it, we can't do anything anyway now!"

My stand on this is simple.
2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

lol

Trust me, only scrubby corps and players think this way. Real competitive gamers, and people with the slightest backbone and testicular fortitude have nothing to do with this lazy ass, none skilled, scrubby, **** stain you're trying to lay off as a tactic.

That's why you're in Betamax. Be happy with your blue donut, EZ mode, lazy ass way of playing a FPS. "Oh we're not good enough with guns, so let's exploit the **** mechanic CCP has in place, and call that "spy work".

Pathetic. Glad people like you have NOTHING to do with corps in EoN.

Ha.

Bro, i have a heads up for you.

For the first time in all your years of fps gaming, you're about to experience WAR.

And it ain't pretty.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

Stopping someone from spawning or 'denying them clones' is still a kick. The system kicks you out if you don't (or can't) spawn.

If someone manages to worm their way in after a role is made required to join PC... They should stay in.

Yes to 1.
No to 2.
Unless the players stay in the battle and become enemies, then no.
In EVE, if you kick someone from the fleet, its not like he is teleported back to the CQ, he is still there and can still do damage just fine.

Grit breather made a good point that a team leader then should be able to highlight a susceptible spy purple instead of blue, thus allows people to know who has been caught red handed. This means havoc happens, but if the spy is very bad at hiding, he will be shot at.

Stopping someone from spawning or 'denying them clones' is still a kick. The system kicks you out if you don't (or can't) spawn.

If someone manages to worm their way in after a role is made required to join PC... They should stay in.

If we remove 'sabotage' role from the game that it currently occupate, to balance it we will have to implement it on different level - like transferring district or corporation assets freely.

What's wrong with a 90% votekick?

Institute Corp roles, and only allow people with the right permissions to join a squad to a PC battle. It looks like most people agree on this part.

However a kick function is touchy, and for good reason. Most people, myself included, think that espionage and sabotage should still remain viable tactics, once implementing those tactics actually requires some work and planning. If a kick function is implemented, it shouldn't actually come in the form of kicking the offenders from the battle, not immediately. It should only disconnect them from the clone reanimation system, after which they still have to be killed before they are removed from the battle. They should remain on the TechNet as a blue, an always visible red, or a new color entirely. They cannot be replaced with loyal personnel until they are killed. For reasons I'll explain shortly, I would also create a one minute thirty second spawn timer where all players have to spawn into the game before it runs out, or be automatically spawned in the MCC with whichever fitting they have selected at the end of the timer.

This would allow things to play out in multiple ways.

1. A rogue director brings in a hostile squad. They're cut off from the clones while everyone's in the MCC because hey, it's obvious these guys are hostile. They immediately spawn in, and cause some TK'ing havoc. They eventually die themselves, and are replaced with friendlies. This confusion and the time it takes to get a replacement squad in gives the other team a not insignificant head start.

2. A rogue director brings in a hostile squad. They're cut off from the clones while everyone's in the MCC because hey, it's obvious these guys are hostile. They don't immediately spawn in, opting instead to wait on the 1:30 spawn timer. Now the team has to make several choices. Do they post guards at the base spawns to kill them if they spawn there? Do they hack objectives and give the rogues additional places at which to spawn? This again gives the other team a good headstart on taking objectives and setting up defenses.

3. A rogue director has either several other spies in his squad with him or has several other members of the Corp/Alliance he's "helped" decide they want to switch allegiances. As such his squad is all wearing the right Corp tags. This may or may not go unnoticed beforehand depending on how stringent his Corp is about specifying individual squad members, and how good he is at allaying suspicion should questions be asked. It will probably be increasingly less likely to be noticed as battles grow larger in size. This squad could have the added benefit of having surprise on their side. As such they are not disconnected from the reanimation system beforehand and could potentially waste a LOT of clones before the subterfuge is discovered.

4. In any of these instances, if the rogues can escape being killed after they are disconnected from the clones, they have to be hunted down if the team wants to replace them with friendlies. The hostile team would also need to make sure they don't kill their own agents. If the rogues decide to call in vehicles or run around in the hills, this could end up being a significant time drain on the team, to the point that it might be preferable to simply fight a few men down rather than devote resources to chasing a scout around the mountains or trying to actually kill a LogiLAV that never stops.

So in this system you have varying degrees of work for varying levels of payoff, and if played smartly all have significant ways to influence a battle. Meanwhile corporations are provided with controls to prevent unauthorized access to PC battles and a way to mitigate damage should kicking be introduced, without kicking being a "get out of paying for your mistakes" free card.

You're missing the point.

The point is... The person should be allowed to carry out their mischeif. They've burned and alt which is likely going to be kicked out of the corp to do it. There should be no "easy out" for the corporation being sabotaged that simply lets them stop the sabotage from a context menu. That's horrible.

Not saying anything new, not that I disagree. Just another example of CCP pushing something before its ready.

Simply put - all of your guys's idea is indeed taking away from Meta.

I would prefer we find a balance of sabotage vs protection, and a kicking function simply eliminates sabotaging.

And I never said my idea was full proof - hehe.

If you infiltrate far enough to earn the right to enter PC without a squad leader - then you did what any good spy wants and to get kicked immediately trying after all the time you put getting the rank to get in there - would be silly.

lol

Trust me, only scrubby corps and players think this way. Real competitive gamers, and people with the slightest backbone and testicular fortitude have nothing to do with this lazy ass, none skilled, scrubby, **** stain you're trying to lay off as a tactic.

That's why you're in Betamax. Be happy with your blue donut, EZ mode, lazy ass way of playing a FPS. "Oh we're not good enough with guns, so let's exploit the **** mechanic CCP has in place, and call that "spy work".

Pathetic. Glad people like you have NOTHING to do with corps in EoN.

Not saying anything new, not that I disagree. Just another example of CCP pushing something before its ready.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

Simply put - all of your guys's idea is indeed taking away from Meta.

I would prefer we find a balance of sabotage vs protection, and a kicking function simply eliminates sabotaging.

And I never said my idea was full proof - hehe.

If you infiltrate far enough to earn the right to enter PC without a squad leader - then you did what any good spy wants and to get kicked immediately trying after all the time you put getting the rank to get in there - would be silly.

1. Totally agree, the ability to be a squad leader of a PC battle (after being accepted yesterday into a clan of over 200 mercs) for spamming x=no skill. Give ceo's the ability to appoint squad leaders pre battle. Simple tool.

2. Totally disagree, no kik function, instead mark the saboteur as an enemy, simply put them on the other side, if by chance he did get appointed as a squad leader. Of coarse this is only possible if #1. Allows the ceo to appoint squad leaders. Then infiltration requires the spy to be a squad leader, appointed by ceo.