One person suggested that the "AWOXer be moved to the other team" so that in essence you go from a 16vs16 match to say an 15vs17 match. That's something that is fairly reasonable and most could agree is acceptable for an in-game mechanic to prevent AWOXing during the middle of the match.

We don't need to kick them, just mark them as an enemy.
So a 16 on 16 just turned into a 15 on 17, you'll live.

Problem with this marking the infiltrator red and then the infiltrator using the 'enemys' clones is that this opens up a whole new can-of-worms.

Suppose the 'infiltrator' and his corp mark the infiltrator intentionally 'red' just to deplete the enemys clones faster.

Pretty sure this is the 4th wall of text I've gotten you to rattle off today, and they all boil down to one or two fallacies and ad hominem attacks. You're trying so hard to make some kind of a convoluted point about "meta-gaming" taking any amount of skill or complexity when that's obviously not the case here...have you even played this game?

i'll give it a 2/10 for getting me to reply

We don't need to kick them, just mark them as an enemy.
So a 16 on 16 just turned into a 15 on 17, you'll live.

Junior, if you think that was a "wall of text" I really would like to talk to your gradeschool teachers.

You've yet to really counter any of the points about the meta-game being less important than your suggest it to be outside of "lol you're dumb" I know words are hard for you to form, and grammatically sound sentences confuse you but please try your best.

Since you are asserting any "meta-game" is actually super easy and playing the FPS aspect of the game is the real "challenge" please, explain your point more thorougly. I'm all ears. Thus far you've just said "lol spying isn't hard, and costing matches isn't at all challenging." I really do want to know how you think pointing your gun and clicking a button makes anything like infiltrating and gouging of corporation assets less challenging or even important at all to DUST. I explained it prevoiusly, the less stuff you have, the less successful you'll be. You seem unable to grasp that despite simplistic examples. I provided examples of market manipulation which you went on to laugh and not actually counter with a sound rebuttal outside of "LOOOOOOOOOOOL", I get it these things are complicated for you, but really if you want to try and be a forum warrior at least bring better weapons to the table kid.



I wasn't sure if yours was the original post I saw or not. It's a valid proposal to the issue.

There's another 12 lines of text I'm not going to bother reading, just like the last essay you wrote for me. If you can't grasp the concept of skilled players wanting to actually play the game rather than fish for easy wins, that's pretty pathetic.

There's another 12 lines of text I'm not going to bother reading, just like the last essay you wrote for me. If you can't grasp the concept of skilled players wanting to actually play the game rather than fish for easy wins, that's pretty pathetic.

If someone is kicked from a PC match, I don't think they should be thrown out instantly, and I ALSO don't think they should be put on the other team.

They should be simply barred from respawning. They die, they're out. They stay alive, they can keep doing what they're doing.

But in the first place, CEOs need to be able to assign roles other than "Director" in DUST. We need the ability to have CEO and Director with full (or nearly full) access, then have specialised roles with the ability to do different things. Regular Corp members should be able to join PC matches alone or with a squad entirely consisting of Corpmates.

We should have a Battlefield Commander role in which a Corp member with the title (or a CEO/Director) can block other Corp members or non-members from entering PC. Give a quick-select tool to "block all" and "unblock all" if needed, so you can shut down anyone but the players designated for that battle and avoid unauthorised wasting of clones, or while the battles in progress you can quickly open the field if you lose a player and say "who's available?" rather than having to sort through and find the appropriate member to unblock. You could also allow these Commanders to declare attacks on enemy Corps. Or have a Commander role and a Field Commander role with one having access to attack orders and the other not.

It would also help if you needed to have a "Squad Leader" title before you could bring non-members into a Corp Battle. Any Corp member can create a squad of Corpmates and join (unless blocked), but only a Squad Leader (or, obviously, Commander/Director/CEO) can supply ringers.

This would also open the way to having non-combat roles like a Treasurer with wallet access but without the combat-related controls.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

Apparently you've never played a CCP game before, nor understand the whole point of a game like DUST being part of EVE Online.

But sure bud, just keep pretending you're super special "honor" is of any value.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

Then the system has to change. It's not that there will be a fix implemented in the next two weeks or so. There'd be time to make it so that the offending party stays ingame but can't spawn anymore. There'd be no replacement for him or anything.

Stopping someone from spawning or 'denying them clones' is still a kick. The system kicks you out if you don't (or can't) spawn.

If someone manages to worm their way in after a role is made required to join PC... They should stay in.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

You're missing the point.

The point is... The person should be allowed to carry out their mischeif. They've burned and alt which is likely going to be kicked out of the corp to do it. There should be no "easy out" for the corporation being sabotaged that simply lets them stop the sabotage from a context menu. That's horrible.

Stopping someone from spawning or 'denying them clones' is still a kick. The system kicks you out if you don't (or can't) spawn.

If someone manages to worm their way in after a role is made required to join PC... They should stay in.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

the problem with not being able to deal with those people in match is that you can just throw it if it is infiltrated... people are always pulling up analogies to eve on this subject... then i'll do the same... if you have a dude in fleet that starts killing your own people you can deal with him and remove him from the field, by killing him dead and podding him. in dust as it stands now you can't do **** about things after the offending party got in match. you have no way of removing him. then if you don't want to have a 'kick' button then give the 'victimes' some form of tacnet disabling weapon so they have to change their suits to get that and hunt down the offending party to remove him. and after he is removed the game can at least progress further... the 'victims' are still at an disadvantage but there's a chance to turn around stuff.

but not having any kind of option is worse because as soon as somebody infiltrated a game you can just throw the towel for that match and lean back and don't spawn in anymore, because there's nothing you can do really.

i just want another way to deal with it then just saying "**** it, we can't do anything anyway now!"

My stand on this is simple.
2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

lol

Trust me, only scrubby corps and players think this way. Real competitive gamers, and people with the slightest backbone and testicular fortitude have nothing to do with this lazy ass, none skilled, scrubby, **** stain you're trying to lay off as a tactic.

That's why you're in Betamax. Be happy with your blue donut, EZ mode, lazy ass way of playing a FPS. "Oh we're not good enough with guns, so let's exploit the **** mechanic CCP has in place, and call that "spy work".

Pathetic. Glad people like you have NOTHING to do with corps in EoN.

Ha.

Bro, i have a heads up for you.

For the first time in all your years of fps gaming, you're about to experience WAR.

And it ain't pretty.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match