Stopping someone from spawning or 'denying them clones' is still a kick. The system kicks you out if you don't (or can't) spawn.

If someone manages to worm their way in after a role is made required to join PC... They should stay in.

Yes to 1.
No to 2.
Unless the players stay in the battle and become enemies, then no.
In EVE, if you kick someone from the fleet, its not like he is teleported back to the CQ, he is still there and can still do damage just fine.

Grit breather made a good point that a team leader then should be able to highlight a susceptible spy purple instead of blue, thus allows people to know who has been caught red handed. This means havoc happens, but if the spy is very bad at hiding, he will be shot at.

Stopping someone from spawning or 'denying them clones' is still a kick. The system kicks you out if you don't (or can't) spawn.

If someone manages to worm their way in after a role is made required to join PC... They should stay in.

If we remove 'sabotage' role from the game that it currently occupate, to balance it we will have to implement it on different level - like transferring district or corporation assets freely.

What's wrong with a 90% votekick?

Institute Corp roles, and only allow people with the right permissions to join a squad to a PC battle. It looks like most people agree on this part.

However a kick function is touchy, and for good reason. Most people, myself included, think that espionage and sabotage should still remain viable tactics, once implementing those tactics actually requires some work and planning. If a kick function is implemented, it shouldn't actually come in the form of kicking the offenders from the battle, not immediately. It should only disconnect them from the clone reanimation system, after which they still have to be killed before they are removed from the battle. They should remain on the TechNet as a blue, an always visible red, or a new color entirely. They cannot be replaced with loyal personnel until they are killed. For reasons I'll explain shortly, I would also create a one minute thirty second spawn timer where all players have to spawn into the game before it runs out, or be automatically spawned in the MCC with whichever fitting they have selected at the end of the timer.

This would allow things to play out in multiple ways.

1. A rogue director brings in a hostile squad. They're cut off from the clones while everyone's in the MCC because hey, it's obvious these guys are hostile. They immediately spawn in, and cause some TK'ing havoc. They eventually die themselves, and are replaced with friendlies. This confusion and the time it takes to get a replacement squad in gives the other team a not insignificant head start.

2. A rogue director brings in a hostile squad. They're cut off from the clones while everyone's in the MCC because hey, it's obvious these guys are hostile. They don't immediately spawn in, opting instead to wait on the 1:30 spawn timer. Now the team has to make several choices. Do they post guards at the base spawns to kill them if they spawn there? Do they hack objectives and give the rogues additional places at which to spawn? This again gives the other team a good headstart on taking objectives and setting up defenses.

3. A rogue director has either several other spies in his squad with him or has several other members of the Corp/Alliance he's "helped" decide they want to switch allegiances. As such his squad is all wearing the right Corp tags. This may or may not go unnoticed beforehand depending on how stringent his Corp is about specifying individual squad members, and how good he is at allaying suspicion should questions be asked. It will probably be increasingly less likely to be noticed as battles grow larger in size. This squad could have the added benefit of having surprise on their side. As such they are not disconnected from the reanimation system beforehand and could potentially waste a LOT of clones before the subterfuge is discovered.

4. In any of these instances, if the rogues can escape being killed after they are disconnected from the clones, they have to be hunted down if the team wants to replace them with friendlies. The hostile team would also need to make sure they don't kill their own agents. If the rogues decide to call in vehicles or run around in the hills, this could end up being a significant time drain on the team, to the point that it might be preferable to simply fight a few men down rather than devote resources to chasing a scout around the mountains or trying to actually kill a LogiLAV that never stops.

So in this system you have varying degrees of work for varying levels of payoff, and if played smartly all have significant ways to influence a battle. Meanwhile corporations are provided with controls to prevent unauthorized access to PC battles and a way to mitigate damage should kicking be introduced, without kicking being a "get out of paying for your mistakes" free card.

You're missing the point.

The point is... The person should be allowed to carry out their mischeif. They've burned and alt which is likely going to be kicked out of the corp to do it. There should be no "easy out" for the corporation being sabotaged that simply lets them stop the sabotage from a context menu. That's horrible.

Not saying anything new, not that I disagree. Just another example of CCP pushing something before its ready.

Simply put - all of your guys's idea is indeed taking away from Meta.

I would prefer we find a balance of sabotage vs protection, and a kicking function simply eliminates sabotaging.

And I never said my idea was full proof - hehe.

If you infiltrate far enough to earn the right to enter PC without a squad leader - then you did what any good spy wants and to get kicked immediately trying after all the time you put getting the rank to get in there - would be silly.

lol

Trust me, only scrubby corps and players think this way. Real competitive gamers, and people with the slightest backbone and testicular fortitude have nothing to do with this lazy ass, none skilled, scrubby, **** stain you're trying to lay off as a tactic.

That's why you're in Betamax. Be happy with your blue donut, EZ mode, lazy ass way of playing a FPS. "Oh we're not good enough with guns, so let's exploit the **** mechanic CCP has in place, and call that "spy work".

Pathetic. Glad people like you have NOTHING to do with corps in EoN.

Not saying anything new, not that I disagree. Just another example of CCP pushing something before its ready.

My stand on this is simple.

1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join

2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match

CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust.

This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic.

Simply put - all of your guys's idea is indeed taking away from Meta.

I would prefer we find a balance of sabotage vs protection, and a kicking function simply eliminates sabotaging.

And I never said my idea was full proof - hehe.

If you infiltrate far enough to earn the right to enter PC without a squad leader - then you did what any good spy wants and to get kicked immediately trying after all the time you put getting the rank to get in there - would be silly.

1. Totally agree, the ability to be a squad leader of a PC battle (after being accepted yesterday into a clan of over 200 mercs) for spamming x=no skill. Give ceo's the ability to appoint squad leaders pre battle. Simple tool.

2. Totally disagree, no kik function, instead mark the saboteur as an enemy, simply put them on the other side, if by chance he did get appointed as a squad leader. Of coarse this is only possible if #1. Allows the ceo to appoint squad leaders. Then infiltration requires the spy to be a squad leader, appointed by ceo.