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Abu Stij Goonfeet 28	Posted - 2013.05.19 20:16:00 - [1] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: My stand on this is simple. 1. Corporations should be able to restrict who and how players join 2. Corporations should be able to kick Crashers from a match CCP had mentioned previously to the community wanting to put a roster system into the game and was unable to do so in time for the launch of Planetary Conquest. As it stands right now it is far too easy to infiltrate a match and requires no real breach of trust. This breach of trust is what makes spying and espionage of value and a unique aspect of New Eden and should not be stamped out. As it stands now though, because there are no real game mechanics to control the matches, AWOXING is a broken game mechanic. *stance
Abu Stij Goonfeet 31	Posted - 2013.05.20 03:33:00 - [2] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: lol Trust me, only scrubby corps and players think this way. Real competitive gamers, and people with the slightest backbone and testicular fortitude have nothing to do with this lazy ass, none skilled, scrubby, ** stain you're trying to lay off as a tactic. That's why you're in Betamax. Be happy with your blue donut, EZ mode, lazy ass way of playing a FPS. "Oh we're not good enough with guns, so let's exploit the ** mechanic CCP has in place, and call that "spy work". Pathetic. Glad people like you have NOTHING to do with corps in EoN. Apparently you've never played a CCP game before, nor understand the whole point of a game like DUST being part of EVE Online. But sure bud, just keep pretending you're super special "honor" is of any value.
Abu Stij Goonfeet 31	Posted - 2013.05.20 03:34:00 - [3] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: lol@ people who think they're "spais" just cause they're applications got approved. EVE players are laughing as we speak. Pretty sure they're laughing at the console babies making a stink about a mechanic that they've been working with for 10 years and haven't raised this much of a stink over. It's even funnier that some of these EVE players are part of the AWOXing
Abu Stij Goonfeet 32	Posted - 2013.05.20 03:40:00 - [4] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Abu Stij wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: lol@ people who think they're "spais" just cause they're applications got approved. EVE players are laughing as we speak. Pretty sure they're laughing at the console babies making a stink about a mechanic that they've been working with for 10 years and haven't raised this much of a stink over. It's even funnier that some of these EVE players are part of the AWOXing So you're telling me that traitors can't get kicked from a fleet? Good "spais" don't get kicked from fleets, they take everything of value from the corp and run. But you are right, you can get kicked from a fleet if you Awox, but you're still on the grid and field of battle. All this talk about "you should be able to kick that player from the match" is sort of anti-CCP style AWOXing isn't it.
Abu Stij Goonfeet 34	Posted - 2013.05.20 03:54:00 - [5] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: He never said honor one time in his post, LOL Some people prefer to actually play the game and shoot at people rather than try to fish for easy wins. That may be a foreign concept to someone as unskilled as you, but I assure you that's what he meant. Oh look, its the guy who left last time we spoke because he couldn't handle the discussion. Yes, the simple minded like to point their bang bang stick and shoot reds. We who enjoy more complex things than just simplistic and repetitive gameplay enjoy something called "meta-gaming" and have a long history of doing this. You might want to look up EVE Online and its 10 years of history full of players who do just this, and so much more. And thanks for trying to assert I'm "unskilled" at this game. It's an interesting stance really, I seem to have a better grasp at more than the "point and shoot" mechanics CCP has implemented and said they'd include into the game. Your posts just continue to show how salty you get when your little group of friends get roughed up by people who are, in all facets of life, better than you. We know how to play this game in a far greater scale than you could possibly imagine, and yet you try to e-thug. Its adorable really. Now, I'll ask you to take a seat and just let the big boys do the talking. That's a dear.
Abu Stij Goonfeet 37	Posted - 2013.05.20 04:11:00 - [6] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: All I'm saying is that joining a PC battle should be a bit harder than just being allowed into a corp. And yes, I don't think "spies" should get kicked, but we should be able to mark them as an enemy and make it so that they're cut off from our clone supply. If they're going to shoot at me, then I want to shoot back at them without losing WP for it. Currently the mechanic is far too easy to exploit and AWOXing has no "rush" that you would find doing similarly in EVE. A better mechanic would be to not have an "kick from match" mechanic as that is fairly silly. Your character is on the battlefield, there is no logical reason he should be removed from the match. In EVE when you awox and get kicked from fleet you're still on the field. One person suggested that the "AWOXer be moved to the other team" so that in essence you go from a 16vs16 match to say an 15vs17 match. That's something that is fairly reasonable and most could agree is acceptable for an in-game mechanic to prevent AWOXing during the middle of the match. One thing most people seem incapable of doing is having preventative measure against possible awoxers joining their corp. These would be having prerequisites and requirements to be a member of the corp. You see it all the time, GoonSwarm only allows people from the SA community, TEST only allows (in general) people from the Reddit community etc . etc.. The only possible step to take beyond that, at present, is for CCP to set up an API system so you can see a potential recruits corp history and see if they were ever part of an AWOX group, an AWOX victim, or even have shared Intel on flagged AWOXers (though presently a Google doc works pretty well for the latter of those examples). It's quite an interesting hurdle the design team have to overcome, but the more people play with the system and find all the "issues" with it, the more likely a fair and balanced approach will be taken to make AWOXing a more challenging meta-game mechanic.
Abu Stij Goonfeet 38	Posted - 2013.05.20 04:24:00 - [7] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Pretty sure this is the 4th wall of text I've gotten you to rattle off today, and they all boil down to one or two fallacies and ad hominem attacks. You're trying so hard to make some kind of a convoluted point about "meta-gaming" taking any amount of skill or complexity when that's obviously not the case here...have you even played this game? i'll give it a 2/10 for getting me to reply Junior, if you think that was a "wall of text" I really would like to talk to your gradeschool teachers. You've yet to really counter any of the points about the meta-game being less important than your suggest it to be outside of "lol you're dumb" I know words are hard for you to form, and grammatically sound sentences confuse you but please try your best. Since you are asserting any "meta-game" is actually super easy and playing the FPS aspect of the game is the real "challenge" please, explain your point more thorougly. I'm all ears. Thus far you've just said "lol spying isn't hard, and costing matches isn't at all challenging." I really do want to know how you think pointing your gun and clicking a button makes anything like infiltrating and gouging of corporation assets less challenging or even important at all to DUST. I explained it prevoiusly, the less stuff you have, the less successful you'll be. You seem unable to grasp that despite simplistic examples. I provided examples of market manipulation which you went on to laugh and not actually counter with a sound rebuttal outside of "LOOOOOOOOOOOL", I get it these things are complicated for you, but really if you want to try and be a forum warrior at least bring better weapons to the table kid. Sloth9230 wrote: We don't need to kick them, just mark them as an enemy. So a 16 on 16 just turned into a 15 on 17, you'll live. Indeed.[/quote] I wasn't sure if yours was the original post I saw or not. It's a valid proposal to the issue.
Abu Stij Goonfeet 38	Posted - 2013.05.20 04:50:00 - [8] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: There's another 12 lines of text I'm not going to bother reading, just like the last essay you wrote for me. If you can't grasp the concept of skilled players wanting to actually play the game rather than fish for easy wins, that's pretty pathetic. Another 12 lines you didn't read, but then respond to what I said in those 12 lines. Congrats you've proven again, you're really bad at forming a coherent argument.

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