I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes.

That's like 20 matches for a noob. He shouldn't even cap out before he's "graduated".

I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes.

You can get 10k war points in around 15 to 20 skirmish matches.


Assuming you're able to get 1000 warpoints per game.

When they complain, offer them a spot in your squad to fight full proto's over and over again. I wonder how long it will be before they want back in the academy.

They should however offer newberries versions of all game modes, not just ambush(I'm guessing it's ambush right?)

They should however offer newberries versions of all game modes, not just ambush(I'm guessing it's ambush right?)

Nop, in academy you can try all game mode (its randome).

Nop, in academy you can try all game mode (its randome).

I graduated from the Academy after only gaining 95,000 SP (and the 10,000 WP), meaning I only had around 595,000 SP to invest in my skills. Now that I am fighting with the 3 million + SP advanced suits and prototype users, I am completely outclassed. And odds are, most of the new players will find themselves in a similar situation when they "graduate."

To be frank, the WP cap for the Academy needs to increase, so new players can earn the SP they need to actually have a chance to compete. Otherwise, you'll end up like me, lacking SP as you're thrown to the wolves upon graduation.

I graduated from the Academy after only gaining 95,000 SP (and the 10,000 WP), meaning I only had around 595,000 SP to invest in my skills. Now that I am fighting with the 3 million + SP advanced suits and prototype users, I am completely outclassed. And odds are, most of the new players will find themselves in a similar situation when they "graduate."

To be frank, the WP cap for the Academy needs to increase, so new players can earn the SP they need to actually have a chance to compete. Otherwise, you'll end up like me, lacking SP as you're thrown to the wolves upon graduation.

Okay, I understand this. But I think CCP needs to offer more other things to do rather than just the academy to keep the newberries entertained and other ways to earn SP/WP.

. I have ADHD, I don't like routine battles.

PvE

soontm ugh

Drop 2 Militia Uplinks.
Get killed.
Hang out in MCC till end of match.
Earn about 500 WP per match.
Done in 20 matches.

BOOM!

DUST is entirely routine at this point, even switching battle modes.

Domination adds some spice but it's just a more massive objective camp than in Skirmish since the entirety of both teams will be at one position the whole time rather than a squad or two vs another squad or two at a regular skirm objective.

Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but the whole thing is pretty stale already. The only variation was back before Uprising when people started throwing points into all kinds of different combat elements and doing weird nonsense, and that was awesome! Now with SP caps so heavily increased, everyone does one thing, and only one thing, and they do that one thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over again ad-infinitum until they can do that one thing a little bit later 1-week, 3-weeks, 5-weeks, 2-months later still...

What's wrong with that?

Not this again. No way.

Not this again. No way.

You can get 10k war points in around 15 to 20 skirmish matches.


Assuming you're able to get 1000 warpoints per game.

You can get 10k war points in around 15 to 20 skirmish matches.


Assuming you're able to get 1000 warpoints per game.

I'd rather them ditch the Academy and actually do ranked match making. It will make the game more fun for everyone involved.

Should raise to 100,000 WP.

I think it's still a lot.

You'd rather it be fewer? They're likely not going to get past standard level gear when they go on to regular instant battles and get stomped pretty hard. We don't need a battle academy. We need real matchmaking for instant battles, not this lazy solution. God, I hope its temporary. So many games before Dust's time could manage matchmaking. Why is it so difficult to implement?

They should however offer newberry versions of all game modes, not just ambush(I'm guessing it's ambush right?)

You'd rather it be fewer? They're likely not going to get past standard level gear when they go on to regular instant battles and get stomped pretty hard. We don't need a battle academy. We need real matchmaking for instant battles, not this lazy solution. God, I hope its temporary. So many games before Dust's time could manage matchmaking. Why is it so difficult to implement?

Cuz in many ways CCP are idiots.

Seriously just base it on SP and set brackets.

Easiest thing in the world to do.

SP doesn't equate to skill.

I graduated from the Academy after only gaining 95,000 SP (and the 10,000 WP), meaning I only had around 595,000 SP to invest in my skills. Now that I am fighting with the 3 million + SP advanced suits and prototype users, I am completely outclassed. And odds are, most of the new players will find themselves in a similar situation when they "graduate."

To be frank, the WP cap for the Academy needs to increase, so new players can earn the SP they need to actually have a chance to compete. Otherwise, you'll end up like me, lacking SP as you're thrown to the wolves upon graduation.

SP doesn't equate to skill.

You'd rather it be fewer? They're likely not going to get past standard level gear when they go on to regular instant battles and get stomped pretty hard. We don't need a battle academy. We need real matchmaking for instant battles, not this lazy solution. God, I hope its temporary. So many games before Dust's time could manage matchmaking. Why is it so difficult to implement?

...oh and the academy should also promote the importance of joining squads and having a mic when playing.

I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes.

If everyone ran around with basically equal Sp there would be no need to fix this issue.

The problem arises from vast differences in SP not vast differences in player skill.

Making a little playground where newberries can take turns kicking sand in eachother's eyes for a couple of days should not replace the need for a tutorial and even matchmaking. It's like if I let my son shoot cans in the back yard with a red ryder bb gun for a few minutes before handing him a goddamned 700 nitro express!
As soon as a new player opens Dust 514, there needs to be a starting instance zone that you can't quit, similar to Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion where the player goes through different weapons, suits and vehicles on a (god I can't believe I'm making this reference) CoD rail style level that gives them a chance to play with everything the game has to offer, hands on with that annoying kitten of a game announcer blabbing in their ear about every little thing they need to do and how to do it. After that mock mission, then and only then should they be allowed to pick their starting race and bloodline and then get thrown into the kiddie pool to get their feet wet.
While the new player is busy taking turns with a red berry, shooting each other in the face, a certificate system in place as an (optional) guideline as to what skills to focus on leveling while playing. Each suit, weapon, piece of equipment should have these recommended nodes highlighted on the skill tree with an emphasis on core skills! so they don't make the same mistake most all of us did starting out: getting into a good, expensive suit with an expensive weapon but nothing to show for it. Each battle should have little arrows on what to hack, how to give squad orders, the importance of equipment like up links, nanohives, and most important of all nanite injectors!
On top of all this, the WPs needed to "graduate" should be ~100,000 or when the player gets ~5,000,000 SP. Whichever comes first.

Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?

Is it possibly because the vets who have been in game long enough to have 10 mil sp would not be able to achieve easy victories by pubstomping random noobs?

Is it because they do not want to WORK for their victories by fighting players who are comparable in SP and gear?

Do they feel their KDR and wallets being threatened because they KNOW deep down inside that they really do NOT have the amount of skill that they think they do!

Are they afraid their "tactics" (running around the field of battle en masse using all proto gear and crushing anything that gets in their path) would not really work when faced with an opponent with comparable gear and core skills?

Seems if they are so confident in the amount of true player skill they had they would have no problem only battling players with comparable SP and gear.

I think I may be on to something.

i agree i believe 5 mill is the avg ammount needed to go proto suit so spread out is should put u at least at adv gear maybe with a proto weapon

Not if you are a heavy I know that much!

I have almost exactly 5 mil SP my skills are:

Dropsuit Upgrades 3
Dropsuit Core Upgrades 1
Dropsuit Electronics 1
Dropsuit Engineering 1

Dropsuit Shield Upgrades 5

Dropsuit Armor Upgrades 5
Armor Plating 5
Armor Repair Systems 5

Weaponry 5
Handheld Weapon Upgrades 5

Explosives 1
Grenadier 1
Heavy Weapon Operation 1
HMG Operation 5
HMG Proficiency 1

Sidearm Operation 2
SMG Operation 1
SMG Sharpshooter 1

So I can use complex armor modules, damage mods and proto HMG (i still use standard)

i have been playing this game for over a year WHEN THE CLOSED BETA OPENED we all got full on reset. if you piked up dust jan 13 when it first went open and stuck with it then closed beta testers only had a few weeks advantage. further more if you did not then the sp gap is your own fault this is an rpg where time and dedication do put you on a different lvl. i dont fight srubs i fight pro's those are the real battles the battles that are not boring. and just fyi most of us never move beyond adv gear in pubs because it makes it to easy unless you **** us off. if you dont want to dedicate the time and effort to be on equal equipment footing go back to C.O.D or halo and stop mucking up the forums. the only things that need to be talked about on here are bugs and improvements to the game this game is not a ordinary fps it will never be an ordinary fps so either step up your game and grind out a decent suit or STFU AND GET OUT

nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow

If you are talking to me personally then I should inform you I am not in the academy.

so what you saying is when a squad or a solo person searches for battle it should put yall with corresponding sp lvl people yes i agree, and im sure ccp is working on something similar in the mean time as it will take time the instant battle academy saves at least the newest players from being stomped. although this is technically not a betaa anymore it is far from complete and personally i think they're are more serious issues that should be worked first like bug s and glitch before the try changing the matchmaking system. pervy sage i deserve my sp i worked for it and i prefer to go against skilled players hell most ims leave pub stomps they are boring and only contribute to skilled players not playing dust anymore.

i would hope so with 5 mill sp lol no im not talking to you directly just in general

I respect that dude. I know there are those who think because they have max core skills and run full proto and go pub stomping that it makes them good players.

I guarantee these players are in for a rude awakening.

I really just want all players to have a good experience in DUST and to stick with it.

That is what I was suggesting basically.

If you want you could join higher tier matches and fight protos.

You can't join lower tier matches, however.

i think if your higher tier there should be a battle form where you can fight lower tiers but i believe there should be an equipment cap that way everyone has the option to use the exact same lvl gear ..the only difference would be the enhancment provided by skills i do not agree with pub stomping in protos when the people your fighting cannot even use proto yet but i do believe in pub stomping scrubs with they're own gear

No I disagree because this would only encourage pubstomping. Pit me against a squad of noobs right now and I guarantee I take out the whole squad using only MLT or standard gear. The core skills give such an advantage in and of themselves.

The whole point of an SP based tier system is to place players on more equal footing. Under my suggestions lower tier players would be able to go up and play Mercs in higher Tiers, but not visa versa.

I think this would give way more balance to the game.

As for opening topic... Why not allow newberries to have access to both academy and normal?

If they want, they can go and play with the protos, then realise they're horribly outmatched and go back to academy, or like the challenge and play anyway.

In the meantime, raise the WP to about 100k. That would help a fair bit, I would think.

Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?

On top of all this, the WPs needed to "graduate" should be ~100,000 or when the player gets ~5,000,000 SP. Whichever comes first.

I think it's still a lot.

i have been playing this game for over a year WHEN THE CLOSED BETA OPENED we all got full on reset. if you piked up dust jan 13 when it first went open and stuck with it then closed beta testers only had a few weeks advantage. further more if you did not then the sp gap is your own fault this is an rpg where time and dedication do put you on a different lvl. i dont fight srubs i fight pro's those are the real battles the battles that are not boring. and just fyi most of us never move beyond adv gear in pubs because it makes it to easy unless you **** us off. if you dont want to dedicate the time and effort to be on equal equipment footing go back to C.O.D or halo and stop mucking up the forums. the only things that need to be talked about on here are bugs and improvements to the game this game is not a ordinary fps it will never be an ordinary fps so either step up your game and grind out a decent suit or STFU AND GET OUT

BETA is a test phase, all stats should have been reset for the official release of this game.

Anything that happened before the 14th of may should not count now, the game was not fully released until then.

BETA is a test phase, all stats should have been reset for the official release of this game.

Anything that happened before the 14th of may should not count now, the game was not fully released until then.

Holy crap, I don't even have 4,000,000 SP.

I'd have more if I hadn't have forgotten to put my passive SP gain on my main before I stopped playing for three months, even though I don' t remember moving it.

When I first heard 10,000 war points I laughed (seriously? thats like 10-20 games at most).

I feel like newberries should have academy listed as an option until something like 5 million SP, while being able to queue for non-academy game modes at anytime.

Trust me... a new player would rather go back to fighting people with -only- up to 5 million SP once he's faced us protobears with 10-15 million and bankrolls that allow us to use full proto essentially indefinitely.

I have an alt that I started on the 14th to test out the scrambler - that alt has over 10,000 wp and no longer has access to instant academy battles.

Took no longer than 3 hrs, and has a total SP of 544,000

Now that alt gets to 'fight' in battles against proto players with 12 times the SP

@Immortal Captain

Please remember that CCP is operating under a very different design philosophy. Just because other games reset the stats on launch it doesn't mean CCP is obligated to do the same thing. Those other companies that do reset the stats generally do it because they felt like it or it was part of a certain norm. But CCP doesn't usually follow norms even if those norms are profitable.

Lol, it took me 6 games to graduate the academy. Best score was 50-3. I must be god or something?

They should let Newberrys do both, have to get 10000 WP or so to try new game modes with 'real' player base. Can keep doing academy battles until hit a million SP, and hard locked out of it.

That way they can test the waters, going deeper or back to the shallow part.

Also tweek the numbers to the right ammount.

I like that idea... however I still feel like hard lock should be something like 4-5 million.

Oh, and regarding this post.. I first played in closed beta, started about mid July. I played until late August/early September, when I had to do some placement work overseas for 6 months, and started up again in March. When I left in September, I probably had about 4m SP, and when I came back, I had 500k. By then, people had already been playing for two months, and I was, judging by SP, horribly outmatched.

For my first few days, I had a KDR of about 0.8. Then I got to about 100 deaths, and my KDR started rising, until it got to about 1.3. Unfortunately, I'm without my PS3 at the moment (and have been so for a month and a half), so when I finally get my PS3 back I'll, yet again, be horribly outmatched. But not too badly, as I'll have my passive SP from that time too.

Point is, I was able to get back into the game that quickly because I already had some experience of it, I already knew how to handle the weapons, I already knew the maps, and I was already used to the game. Newberries don't have that luxury. I can guarantee that if we see an SP reset tomorrow, the vets will have better KDRs than the newberries.

Vets have already created new players and gone on killing sprees in the academy. An SP reset is NOT a good idea.

BETA is a test phase, all stats should have been reset for the official release of this game.

Anything that happened before the 14th of may should not count now, the game was not fully released until then.

Did you not have passive SP accumulating from end of closed beta Jan. 13 to when you picked the game up in march?

Who suggested an SP reset? I'm suggesting an SP Tier based match system go back and read my posts.

Especially when CCP used the whole "no more resets" thing to pull people in