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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:28:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes. this is without a doubt the stupidest thread i have ever seen. i think that wp graduation limit should be raised to 100,000 your talking maybe 20 battles for me 7 battles tops you realize when you graduate you'll be contending in th pub matches with the same people who have been slaughtering across dust for over a year most of us have more than a mill wp ..im approaching 2 mill most of us have between 8-15 mill wp some of us have multiple protos. maybe you should ask your scrubberry friends what they think before you doom them to 10 battles without pro's stomping em and doom them to being sent against us with maybe stnd gear |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:32:00 -
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hooc order wrote:DigiOps wrote:hooc order wrote:DigiOps wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:I think it's still a lot. You'd rather it be fewer? They're likely not going to get past standard level gear when they go on to regular instant battles and get stomped pretty hard. We don't need a battle academy. We need real matchmaking for instant battles, not this lazy solution. God, I hope its temporary. So many games before Dust's time could manage matchmaking. Why is it so difficult to implement? Cuz in many ways CCP are idiots. Seriously just base it on SP and set brackets. Easiest thing in the world to do. SP doesn't equate to skill. If everyone ran around with basically equal Sp there would be no need to fix this issue. The problem arises from vast differences in SP not vast differences in player skill. so what you want is C.O.D STFU this is an mmo rpg fps it requires grinding the basic design of this game allows for the older player to just use better stuff if you want a plaiin old boring and easy fps go back to C.O.D and stop ruining our game with your newb nerf cries |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:37:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Making a little playground where newberries can take turns kicking sand in eachother's eyes for a couple of days should not replace the need for a tutorial and even matchmaking. It's like if I let my son shoot cans in the back yard with a red ryder bb gun for a few minutes before handing him a goddamned 700 nitro express!As soon as a new player opens Dust 514, there needs to be a starting instance zone that you can't quit, similar to Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion where the player goes through different weapons, suits and vehicles on a (god I can't believe I'm making this reference) CoD rail style level that gives them a chance to play with everything the game has to offer, hands on with that annoying kitten of a game announcer blabbing in their ear about every little thing they need to do and how to do it. After that mock mission, then and only then should they be allowed to pick their starting race and bloodline and then get thrown into the kiddie pool to get their feet wet. While the new player is busy taking turns with a red berry, shooting each other in the face, a certificate system in place as an (optional) guideline as to what skills to focus on leveling while playing. Each suit, weapon, piece of equipment should have these recommended nodes highlighted on the skill tree with an emphasis on core skills! so they don't make the same mistake most all of us did starting out: getting into a good, expensive suit with an expensive weapon but nothing to show for it. Each battle should have little arrows on what to hack, how to give squad orders, the importance of equipment like up links, nanohives, and most important of all nanite injectors!On top of all this, the WPs needed to "graduate" should be ~100,000 or when the player gets ~5,000,000 SP. Whichever comes first. i agree i believe 5 mill is the avg ammount needed to go proto suit so spread out is should put u at least at adv gear maybe with a proto weapon |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:56:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?
Is it possibly because the vets who have been in game long enough to have 10 mil sp would not be able to achieve easy victories by pubstomping random noobs?
Is it because they do not want to WORK for their victories by fighting players who are comparable in SP and gear?
Do they feel their KDR and wallets being threatened because they KNOW deep down inside that they really do NOT have the amount of skill that they think they do!
Are they afraid their "tactics" (running around the field of battle en masse using all proto gear and crushing anything that gets in their path) would not really work when faced with an opponent with comparable gear and core skills?
Seems if they are so confident in the amount of true player skill they had they would have no problem only battling players with comparable SP and gear.
I think I may be on to something. i have been playing this game for over a year WHEN THE CLOSED BETA OPENED we all got full on reset. if you piked up dust jan 13 when it first went open and stuck with it then closed beta testers only had a few weeks advantage. further more if you did not then the sp gap is your own fault this is an rpg where time and dedication do put you on a different lvl. i dont fight srubs i fight pro's those are the real battles the battles that are not boring. and just fyi most of us never move beyond adv gear in pubs because it makes it to easy unless you **** us off. if you dont want to dedicate the time and effort to be on equal equipment footing go back to C.O.D or halo and stop mucking up the forums. the only things that need to be talked about on here are bugs and improvements to the game this game is not a ordinary fps it will never be an ordinary fps so either step up your game and grind out a decent suit or STFU AND GET OUT |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:57:00 -
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[quote=DS 10]One solution could be increasing the SP multiplier in Academy matches to 3x. Then SP isn't as much of an issue. [/quot now this isnt a bad idea ..i could agree with this ..i was un aware the wp cap for instant academy was so low though they should up that and give new players the time to grind to advanced lvl before facing the pros |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:09:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:i agree i believe 5 mill is the avg ammount needed to go proto suit so spread out is should put u at least at adv gear maybe with a proto weapon Not if you are a heavy I know that much! I have almost exactly 5 mil SP my skills are: Dropsuit Upgrades 3 Dropsuit Core Upgrades 1 Dropsuit Electronics 1 Dropsuit Engineering 1 Dropsuit Shield Upgrades 5 Dropsuit Armor Upgrades 5 Armor Plating 5 Armor Repair Systems 5 Weaponry 5 Handheld Weapon Upgrades 5 Explosives 1 Grenadier 1 Heavy Weapon Operation 1 HMG Operation 5 HMG Proficiency 1 Sidearm Operation 2 SMG Operation 1 SMG Sharpshooter 1 So I can use complex armor modules, damage mods and proto HMG (i still use standard)
nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:15:00 -
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so what you saying is when a squad or a solo person searches for battle it should put yall with corresponding sp lvl people yes i agree, and im sure ccp is working on something similar in the mean time as it will take time the instant battle academy saves at least the newest players from being stomped. although this is technically not a betaa anymore it is far from complete and personally i think they're are more serious issues that should be worked first like bug s and glitch before the try changing the matchmaking system. pervy sage i deserve my sp i worked for it and i prefer to go against skilled players hell most ims leave pub stomps they are boring and only contribute to skilled players not playing dust anymore. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:16:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:
nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow
If you are talking to me personally then I should inform you I am not in the academy. i would hope so with 5 mill sp lol no im not talking to you directly just in general |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:27:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:
nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow
If you are talking to me personally then I should inform you I am not in the academy. i would hope so with 5 mill sp lol no im not talking to you directly just in general i do agree with tweaking the sp system to match people with equal sp its a good idea and one i believe ccp is currently working on. i dont like getting on this forum and seeing people crying about the sp difference between us and them ..i can understand wanting to go against equal player. but the second they start saying closed beta players need to be lowered because they have an advantage because they have been playing longer its an issue this is a work in progress and it isnt a fps its an mmo rpg fps and it will incorporate those aspects. ive spent the past year listening to scrubs whine about the basic principles in this game. mucho respect for picking up this game and getting to 5 mill sp and not being a closed beta player good job. i made an alt a few months ago just to see and understand scrubs hell. and that is why i support upping the sp rewards in instant battle academy ..but i also think it should be available for longer than 7 battles 10 k wp is measly and obtainable ina first sitting. i can understand wanting acess to higher tier matches with the exception being fw you do NOT WANT FW pro que sync and drop in all on the same side believe me you do not wanna face 16 imps when your new. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:29:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:so what you saying is when a squad or a solo person searches for battle it should put yall with corresponding sp lvl people yes i agree, and im sure ccp is working on something similar in the mean time as it will take time the instant battle academy saves at least the newest players from being stomped. although this is technically not a betaa anymore it is far from complete and personally i think they're are more serious issues that should be worked first like bug s and glitch before the try changing the matchmaking system. pervy sage i deserve my sp i worked for it and i prefer to go against skilled players hell most ims leave pub stomps they are boring and only contribute to skilled players not playing dust anymore. I respect that dude. I know there are those who think because they have max core skills and run full proto and go pub stomping that it makes them good players. I guarantee these players are in for a rude awakening. I really just want all players to have a good experience in DUST and to stick with it. those player are already getting they'e rude awakening believe me no one in pc is using anything but proto or officer gear in pc gear does not matter just skill |
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:41:00 -
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when i first started this game there was no instant academy and it was hell i lost more than i won and that slowly changed i know people who have picked up this game and put it down after an hour and that is an issue. if we are all patient and report issues discuss potential way to improve the game and report bugs slowly dust may just fulfill its potential. ijust felt the need to voice my opinion the insant battle academy is not enough and it does not last long enough atm and that is my stance...when you garduate the academy you should have at least 75% of your best suit converted to adv and to do otherwise would just be cruel. now i do like facing people in stnd gear with stnd gear even though my skills give me the edge and i think people should be able to do this. and that is why i wanted them to tier ambush plain old standard ambush imagine if when you selcet ambush it gave you tiers I -V and you could select one and you would not be able to use suits higher than that tier. 1 being militia and 5 being proto. then they should tier the isk rewards accordingly so for example ...if you join tier V you can use proto and under and the base is reawards would cover 1-3 proto suits cost so someone who thinks there fps skills are good enough to handle proto with militia could go into tier V with militia gear and fight and potentially turn a huge profit ...but the could also get completely destroyed its a risk they would have to take. wat do you think of this pervy sage ..im not saying rule out instant battle academy this is just my personal feeling about standard pub ambush |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 13:30:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:That is what I was suggesting basically.
If you want you could join higher tier matches and fight protos.
You can't join lower tier matches, however. i think if your higher tier there should be a battle form where you can fight lower tiers but i believe there should be an equipment cap that way everyone has the option to use the exact same lvl gear ..the only difference would be the enhancment provided by skills i do not agree with pub stomping in protos when the people your fighting cannot even use proto yet but i do believe in pub stomping scrubs with they're own gear |
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