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Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:26:00 -
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I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
250
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:28:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes.
That's like 20 matches for a noob. He shouldn't even cap out before he's "graduated". |
Scramble Scrub
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:28:00 -
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You can get 10k war points in around 15 to 20 skirmish matches.
Assuming you're able to get 1000 warpoints per game. |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
51
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes. That's like 20 matches for a noob. He shouldn't even cap out before he's "graduated".
I think it's still a lot. |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
EoN.
200
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:30:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes.
When they complain, offer them a spot in your squad to fight full proto's over and over again. I wonder how long it will be before they want back in the academy. |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
148
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:31:00 -
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Based purely on kills, one would only need 200. That actually seems kind of low to me. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1376
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:33:00 -
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That's not high enough. |
Otoky
DIOS EX.
Gentlemen's Agreement
83
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:33:00 -
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Today I tried academy with an alt. After 10 game I hit the 10k WP. I had about 640k SP... And with this low SP you have to fight against 10mill+ SP players.
I think CCP shoud raise the cap to 50k WP or 2mill SP |
Den-tredje Baron
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
52
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:35:00 -
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Scramble Scrub wrote:You can get 10k war points in around 15 to 20 skirmish matches.
Assuming you're able to get 1000 warpoints per game.
^^^as above. If you'r doing well you should "graduate" very fast. I'm actually more on the term of opping the limit to a higher amount or giving the new players some kind of mediocre level where proto stuff isn't allowed or where only players with below XXXXX SP or WP can enter. Going from the academy battles into a fight against a full team of squaded up ILL OMENS and .... TUL  players are gonna make those guys wish they where still fighting the academy battles. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1376
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:35:00 -
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They should however offer newberries versions of all game modes, not just ambush(I'm guessing it's ambush right?) |
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Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
51
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:36:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes. When they complain, offer them a spot in your squad to fight full proto's over and over again. I wonder how long it will be before they want back in the academy.
Heh, pre-Uprising we never had academy and it was always a blast for most people despite the bugs. But to play in the same kind of match over and over again just wears everyone out. I have ADHD, I don't like routine battles. For example, I would play 2-3 skirmishes, 2-3 domination, 1-2 mercenary and then lot out for a bit. But 20 academy in a row? That means I would play maybe 3-4 academy instants and then log out since it doesn't keep me interested. Yes, it does have mercenary battles but it comes very rarely (at least, for me.) |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
51
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:38:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:They should however offer newberries versions of all game modes, not just ambush(I'm guessing it's ambush right?)
Now, that's more like it. Academy versions of most game modes. +1 |
Otoky
DIOS EX.
Gentlemen's Agreement
83
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:38:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:They should however offer newberries versions of all game modes, not just ambush(I'm guessing it's ambush right?)
Nop, in academy you can try all game mode (its randome). |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1376
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:39:00 -
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Otoky wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:They should however offer newberries versions of all game modes, not just ambush(I'm guessing it's ambush right?) Nop, in academy you can try all game mode (its randome).
That sounds worse  |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
51
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:41:00 -
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Otoky wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:They should however offer newberries versions of all game modes, not just ambush(I'm guessing it's ambush right?) Nop, in academy you can try all game mode (its randome).
Either I have a glitch playing in the same game mode repeatedly or you're pulling my leg. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:43:00 -
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I graduated from the Academy after only gaining 95,000 SP (and the 10,000 WP), meaning I only had around 595,000 SP to invest in my skills. Now that I am fighting with the 3 million + SP advanced suits and prototype users, I am completely outclassed. And odds are, most of the new players will find themselves in a similar situation when they "graduate."
To be frank, the WP cap for the Academy needs to increase, so new players can earn the SP they need to actually have a chance to compete. Otherwise, you'll end up like me, lacking SP as you're thrown to the wolves upon graduation. |
Otoky
DIOS EX.
Gentlemen's Agreement
83
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:46:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:I graduated from the Academy after only gaining 95,000 SP (and the 10,000 WP), meaning I only had around 595,000 SP to invest in my skills. Now that I am fighting with the 3 million + SP advanced suits and prototype users, I am completely outclassed. And odds are, most of the new players will find themselves in a similar situation when they "graduate."
To be frank, the WP cap for the Academy needs to increase, so new players can earn the SP they need to actually have a chance to compete. Otherwise, you'll end up like me, lacking SP as you're thrown to the wolves upon graduation.
Such as I excepted.
Totaly agree with you, WP cap must raise. |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
51
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:46:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:I graduated from the Academy after only gaining 95,000 SP (and the 10,000 WP), meaning I only had around 595,000 SP to invest in my skills. Now that I am fighting with the 3 million + SP advanced suits and prototype users, I am completely outclassed. And odds are, most of the new players will find themselves in a similar situation when they "graduate."
To be frank, the WP cap for the Academy needs to increase, so new players can earn the SP they need to actually have a chance to compete. Otherwise, you'll end up like me, lacking SP as you're thrown to the wolves upon graduation.
Okay, I understand this. But I think CCP needs to offer more other things to do rather than just the academy to keep the newberries entertained and other ways to earn SP/WP. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1197
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:48:00 -
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If you think that's a lot, you Belong in the academy.
ONce ou get better you'll be fighting only noobs you'll be getting 2000 wp a battle. Earn it. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1197
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:49:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:I graduated from the Academy after only gaining 95,000 SP (and the 10,000 WP), meaning I only had around 595,000 SP to invest in my skills. Now that I am fighting with the 3 million + SP advanced suits and prototype users, I am completely outclassed. And odds are, most of the new players will find themselves in a similar situation when they "graduate."
To be frank, the WP cap for the Academy needs to increase, so new players can earn the SP they need to actually have a chance to compete. Otherwise, you'll end up like me, lacking SP as you're thrown to the wolves upon graduation. Okay, I understand this. But I think CCP needs to offer more other things to do rather than just the academy to keep the newberries entertained and other ways to earn SP/WP.
PvE
soontm ugh |
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Chankk Saotome
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
288
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:49:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:. I have ADHD, I don't like routine battles.
DUST is entirely routine at this point, even switching battle modes.
Domination adds some spice but it's just a more massive objective camp than in Skirmish since the entirety of both teams will be at one position the whole time rather than a squad or two vs another squad or two at a regular skirm objective.
Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but the whole thing is pretty stale already. The only variation was back before Uprising when people started throwing points into all kinds of different combat elements and doing weird nonsense, and that was awesome! Now with SP caps so heavily increased, everyone does one thing, and only one thing, and they do that one thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over again ad-infinitum until they can do that one thing a little bit later 1-week, 3-weeks, 5-weeks, 2-months later still...
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Bungholio Cornholio
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:49:00 -
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Drop 2 Militia Uplinks.
Get killed.
Hang out in MCC till end of match.
Earn about 500 WP per match.
Done in 20 matches.
BOOM! |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
52
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:50:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:I graduated from the Academy after only gaining 95,000 SP (and the 10,000 WP), meaning I only had around 595,000 SP to invest in my skills. Now that I am fighting with the 3 million + SP advanced suits and prototype users, I am completely outclassed. And odds are, most of the new players will find themselves in a similar situation when they "graduate."
To be frank, the WP cap for the Academy needs to increase, so new players can earn the SP they need to actually have a chance to compete. Otherwise, you'll end up like me, lacking SP as you're thrown to the wolves upon graduation. Okay, I understand this. But I think CCP needs to offer more other things to do rather than just the academy to keep the newberries entertained and other ways to earn SP/WP. PvE soontm ugh
Oh, yeah. I remember reading about something like that. What's wrong with that? Isn't that a good way for the newberries? |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
52
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:51:00 -
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Bungholio Cornholio wrote:Drop 2 Militia Uplinks.
Get killed.
Hang out in MCC till end of match.
Earn about 500 WP per match.
Done in 20 matches.
BOOM!
Not this again. No way. |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
52
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:51:00 -
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Chankk Saotome wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:. I have ADHD, I don't like routine battles. DUST is entirely routine at this point, even switching battle modes. Domination adds some spice but it's just a more massive objective camp than in Skirmish since the entirety of both teams will be at one position the whole time rather than a squad or two vs another squad or two at a regular skirm objective. Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but the whole thing is pretty stale already. The only variation was back before Uprising when people started throwing points into all kinds of different combat elements and doing weird nonsense, and that was awesome! Now with SP caps so heavily increased, everyone does one thing, and only one thing, and they do that one thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over again ad-infinitum until they can do that one thing a little bit later 1-week, 3-weeks, 5-weeks, 2-months later still...
Well, that's very true. You have a point. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1376
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:53:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:What's wrong with that?
It's taken too long to get here. |
Bungholio Cornholio
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:56:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:Bungholio Cornholio wrote:Drop 2 Militia Uplinks.
Get killed.
Hang out in MCC till end of match.
Earn about 500 WP per match.
Done in 20 matches.
BOOM! Not this again. No way.
And you can do it while washing the dishes, doing the laundry, taking a shower...
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Fadiia
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:57:00 -
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whats the problem? i made 3 matches with my alt and am at 4.5k with a kd of little above 3.7. 4 more games and I'll be in the real world...
really don't see the problem here... |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
272
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:57:00 -
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I just wish there was an opt out for the battle academy, started a new alt(was hoping for real customization, drat. And to use vehicles) and I have gotten used to having at least semi-competent allies and enemies.
I SHOULD NOT HAVE THE HIGHEST SCORE ON BOTH TEAMS USING NOTHING BUT MILITIA GEAR. I'm just not that good.
its not even by like a small margin in most cases, at best, there are me and one other person, at 12-1400 WP and no one on either team otherwise breaks 750.
at least I'll get to get back to big kid battles soon. |
Fadiia
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:00:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:Bungholio Cornholio wrote:Drop 2 Militia Uplinks.
Get killed.
Hang out in MCC till end of match.
Earn about 500 WP per match.
Done in 20 matches.
BOOM! Not this again. No way.
OR....
**** the other team and be done in 7 games |
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