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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:59:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:hooc order wrote:DigiOps wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:I think it's still a lot. You'd rather it be fewer? They're likely not going to get past standard level gear when they go on to regular instant battles and get stomped pretty hard. We don't need a battle academy. We need real matchmaking for instant battles, not this lazy solution. God, I hope its temporary. So many games before Dust's time could manage matchmaking. Why is it so difficult to implement? Cuz in many ways CCP are idiots. Seriously just base it on SP and set brackets. Easiest thing in the world to do. SP doesn't equate to skill.
No but it is a measure by which players could be placed onto a more level playing field.
Think about this...
Vet running all basic gear in a MLT suit having all core skills at max 25% more shield and armor 15% more damage and what 15 percent less dispersion and kick
vs
Noob with same gear with maybe shield and armor lvl 1 and (weapon) operation lvl 1
toe to toe who wins this gunfight?
Now give the vet. all proto gear with the ability to run more modules of better quality and better weapons.
granted player skill plays a part, but it becomes more of a part of the game when there isn't such a disparity between opponents' skill (SP) lvl
Also remember that most of us who have played the game for a month or two at least aren't idiotic enough to go Rambo. We run in organized squads and use tactics.
How well do you think the noobs fair against this? I'll tell you it isn't pretty for them. I know, I was there...still am in some matches when I am faced off against vet players with 10 mil. + SP wearing all proto gear and running in full organized squads.
BTW I have about 5 mil SP...I hate to be the guy with 500k - 2 mil SP facing such a force. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:49:00 -
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Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?
Is it possibly because the vets who have been in game long enough to have 10 mil sp would not be able to achieve easy victories by pubstomping random noobs?
Is it because they do not want to WORK for their victories by fighting players who are comparable in SP and gear?
Do they feel their KDR and wallets being threatened because they KNOW deep down inside that they really do NOT have the amount of skill that they think they do!
Are they afraid their "tactics" (running around the field of battle en masse using all proto gear and crushing anything that gets in their path) would not really work when faced with an opponent with comparable gear and core skills?
Seems if they are so confident in the amount of true player skill they had they would have no problem only battling players with comparable SP and gear.
I think I may be on to something. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:03:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:i agree i believe 5 mill is the avg ammount needed to go proto suit so spread out is should put u at least at adv gear maybe with a proto weapon
Not if you are a heavy I know that much!
I have almost exactly 5 mil SP my skills are:
Dropsuit Upgrades 3
Dropsuit Core Upgrades 1
Dropsuit Electronics 1
Dropsuit Engineering 1
Dropsuit Shield Upgrades 5
Dropsuit Armor Upgrades 5
Armor Plating 5
Armor Repair Systems 5
Weaponry 5
Handheld Weapon Upgrades 5
Explosives 1
Grenadier 1
Heavy Weapon Operation 1
HMG Operation 5
HMG Proficiency 1
Sidearm Operation 2
SMG Operation 1
SMG Sharpshooter 1
So I can use complex armor modules, damage mods and proto HMG (i still use standard)
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:09:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?
Is it possibly because the vets who have been in game long enough to have 10 mil sp would not be able to achieve easy victories by pubstomping random noobs?
Is it because they do not want to WORK for their victories by fighting players who are comparable in SP and gear?
Do they feel their KDR and wallets being threatened because they KNOW deep down inside that they really do NOT have the amount of skill that they think they do!
Are they afraid their "tactics" (running around the field of battle en masse using all proto gear and crushing anything that gets in their path) would not really work when faced with an opponent with comparable gear and core skills?
Seems if they are so confident in the amount of true player skill they had they would have no problem only battling players with comparable SP and gear.
I think I may be on to something. i have been playing this game for over a year WHEN THE CLOSED BETA OPENED we all got full on reset. if you piked up dust jan 13 when it first went open and stuck with it then closed beta testers only had a few weeks advantage. further more if you did not then the sp gap is your own fault this is an rpg where time and dedication do put you on a different lvl. i dont fight srubs i fight pro's those are the real battles the battles that are not boring. and just fyi most of us never move beyond adv gear in pubs because it makes it to easy unless you **** us off. if you dont want to dedicate the time and effort to be on equal equipment footing go back to C.O.D or halo and stop mucking up the forums. the only things that need to be talked about on here are bugs and improvements to the game this game is not a ordinary fps it will never be an ordinary fps so either step up your game and grind out a decent suit or STFU AND GET OUT
First of all I do not play CoD or Halo! I have no problem dedicating my time to the game I just would like to see the game grow, but in its current (pubstomp) state it will not because new players will just get frustrated and leave the game. That is why I have been suggesting something like this:
I would like to be able to play on a competitive level not be stomped for showing my face in a battle.
There really needs to be some kind of tier based match making system implemented. There are several posts relating to this already because it is what this game needs for noobs and vets alike.
SP tiers:
500k - 2mil
2mil - 4 mil
4mil - 6 mil
6 mil - 8 mil
8 mil - 10 mil
10 mil and up
I wouldn't mind if players could willingly join a higher tier, but restrict higher tier players from going back to lower tiers and pubstomping. This would place all players into more competitive matches.
As for squads:
If you are in a squad you must play in the tier corresponding to the highest SP ranking player in the squad. Otherwise you would not be able to join the battle. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:13:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:
nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow
If you are talking to me personally then I should inform you I am not in the academy.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:22:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:so what you saying is when a squad or a solo person searches for battle it should put yall with corresponding sp lvl people yes i agree, and im sure ccp is working on something similar in the mean time as it will take time the instant battle academy saves at least the newest players from being stomped. although this is technically not a betaa anymore it is far from complete and personally i think they're are more serious issues that should be worked first like bug s and glitch before the try changing the matchmaking system. pervy sage i deserve my sp i worked for it and i prefer to go against skilled players hell most ims leave pub stomps they are boring and only contribute to skilled players not playing dust anymore.
I respect that dude. I know there are those who think because they have max core skills and run full proto and go pub stomping that it makes them good players.
I guarantee these players are in for a rude awakening.
I really just want all players to have a good experience in DUST and to stick with it. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 13:20:00 -
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That is what I was suggesting basically.
If you want you could join higher tier matches and fight protos.
You can't join lower tier matches, however. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:57:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:That is what I was suggesting basically.
If you want you could join higher tier matches and fight protos.
You can't join lower tier matches, however. i think if your higher tier there should be a battle form where you can fight lower tiers but i believe there should be an equipment cap that way everyone has the option to use the exact same lvl gear ..the only difference would be the enhancment provided by skills i do not agree with pub stomping in protos when the people your fighting cannot even use proto yet but i do believe in pub stomping scrubs with they're own gear
No I disagree because this would only encourage pubstomping. Pit me against a squad of noobs right now and I guarantee I take out the whole squad using only MLT or standard gear. The core skills give such an advantage in and of themselves.
The whole point of an SP based tier system is to place players on more equal footing. Under my suggestions lower tier players would be able to go up and play Mercs in higher Tiers, but not visa versa.
I think this would give way more balance to the game.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
66
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:38:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear? Oh, and regarding this post.. I first played in closed beta, started about mid July. I played until late August/early September, when I had to do some placement work overseas for 6 months, and started up again in March. When I left in September, I probably had about 4m SP, and when I came back, I had 500k. By then, people had already been playing for two months, and I was, judging by SP, horribly outmatched. For my first few days, I had a KDR of about 0.8. Then I got to about 100 deaths, and my KDR started rising, until it got to about 1.3. Unfortunately, I'm without my PS3 at the moment (and have been so for a month and a half), so when I finally get my PS3 back I'll, yet again, be horribly outmatched. But not too badly, as I'll have my passive SP from that time too. Point is, I was able to get back into the game that quickly because I already had some experience of it, I already knew how to handle the weapons, I already knew the maps, and I was already used to the game. Newberries don't have that luxury. I can guarantee that if we see an SP reset tomorrow, the vets will have better KDRs than the newberries. Vets have already created new players and gone on killing sprees in the academy. An SP reset is NOT a good idea.
Did you not have passive SP accumulating from end of closed beta Jan. 13 to when you picked the game up in march?
Who suggested an SP reset? I'm suggesting an SP Tier based match system go back and read my posts. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
66
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:42:00 -
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Immortal Captain wrote:ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?
Is it possibly because the vets who have been in game long enough to have 10 mil sp would not be able to achieve easy victories by pubstomping random noobs?
Is it because they do not want to WORK for their victories by fighting players who are comparable in SP and gear?
Do they feel their KDR and wallets being threatened because they KNOW deep down inside that they really do NOT have the amount of skill that they think they do!
Are they afraid their "tactics" (running around the field of battle en masse using all proto gear and crushing anything that gets in their path) would not really work when faced with an opponent with comparable gear and core skills?
Seems if they are so confident in the amount of true player skill they had they would have no problem only battling players with comparable SP and gear.
I think I may be on to something. i have been playing this game for over a year WHEN THE CLOSED BETA OPENED we all got full on reset. if you piked up dust jan 13 when it first went open and stuck with it then closed beta testers only had a few weeks advantage. further more if you did not then the sp gap is your own fault this is an rpg where time and dedication do put you on a different lvl. i dont fight srubs i fight pro's those are the real battles the battles that are not boring. and just fyi most of us never move beyond adv gear in pubs because it makes it to easy unless you **** us off. if you dont want to dedicate the time and effort to be on equal equipment footing go back to C.O.D or halo and stop mucking up the forums. the only things that need to be talked about on here are bugs and improvements to the game this game is not a ordinary fps it will never be an ordinary fps so either step up your game and grind out a decent suit or STFU AND GET OUT BETA is a test phase, all stats should have been reset for the official release of this game. Anything that happened before the 14th of may should not count now, the game was not fully released until then.
They did a reset at the end of the CLOSED BETA then started the OPEN BETA in which anyone could participate! Resetting all accounts now would be equivalent to resetting all accounts a year from now...completely unnecessary.
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