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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:03:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:i agree i believe 5 mill is the avg ammount needed to go proto suit so spread out is should put u at least at adv gear maybe with a proto weapon
Not if you are a heavy I know that much!
I have almost exactly 5 mil SP my skills are:
Dropsuit Upgrades 3
Dropsuit Core Upgrades 1
Dropsuit Electronics 1
Dropsuit Engineering 1
Dropsuit Shield Upgrades 5
Dropsuit Armor Upgrades 5
Armor Plating 5
Armor Repair Systems 5
Weaponry 5
Handheld Weapon Upgrades 5
Explosives 1
Grenadier 1
Heavy Weapon Operation 1
HMG Operation 5
HMG Proficiency 1
Sidearm Operation 2
SMG Operation 1
SMG Sharpshooter 1
So I can use complex armor modules, damage mods and proto HMG (i still use standard)
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:09:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:i agree i believe 5 mill is the avg ammount needed to go proto suit so spread out is should put u at least at adv gear maybe with a proto weapon Not if you are a heavy I know that much! I have almost exactly 5 mil SP my skills are: Dropsuit Upgrades 3 Dropsuit Core Upgrades 1 Dropsuit Electronics 1 Dropsuit Engineering 1 Dropsuit Shield Upgrades 5 Dropsuit Armor Upgrades 5 Armor Plating 5 Armor Repair Systems 5 Weaponry 5 Handheld Weapon Upgrades 5 Explosives 1 Grenadier 1 Heavy Weapon Operation 1 HMG Operation 5 HMG Proficiency 1 Sidearm Operation 2 SMG Operation 1 SMG Sharpshooter 1 So I can use complex armor modules, damage mods and proto HMG (i still use standard)
nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:09:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?
Is it possibly because the vets who have been in game long enough to have 10 mil sp would not be able to achieve easy victories by pubstomping random noobs?
Is it because they do not want to WORK for their victories by fighting players who are comparable in SP and gear?
Do they feel their KDR and wallets being threatened because they KNOW deep down inside that they really do NOT have the amount of skill that they think they do!
Are they afraid their "tactics" (running around the field of battle en masse using all proto gear and crushing anything that gets in their path) would not really work when faced with an opponent with comparable gear and core skills?
Seems if they are so confident in the amount of true player skill they had they would have no problem only battling players with comparable SP and gear.
I think I may be on to something. i have been playing this game for over a year WHEN THE CLOSED BETA OPENED we all got full on reset. if you piked up dust jan 13 when it first went open and stuck with it then closed beta testers only had a few weeks advantage. further more if you did not then the sp gap is your own fault this is an rpg where time and dedication do put you on a different lvl. i dont fight srubs i fight pro's those are the real battles the battles that are not boring. and just fyi most of us never move beyond adv gear in pubs because it makes it to easy unless you **** us off. if you dont want to dedicate the time and effort to be on equal equipment footing go back to C.O.D or halo and stop mucking up the forums. the only things that need to be talked about on here are bugs and improvements to the game this game is not a ordinary fps it will never be an ordinary fps so either step up your game and grind out a decent suit or STFU AND GET OUT
First of all I do not play CoD or Halo! I have no problem dedicating my time to the game I just would like to see the game grow, but in its current (pubstomp) state it will not because new players will just get frustrated and leave the game. That is why I have been suggesting something like this:
I would like to be able to play on a competitive level not be stomped for showing my face in a battle.
There really needs to be some kind of tier based match making system implemented. There are several posts relating to this already because it is what this game needs for noobs and vets alike.
SP tiers:
500k - 2mil
2mil - 4 mil
4mil - 6 mil
6 mil - 8 mil
8 mil - 10 mil
10 mil and up
I wouldn't mind if players could willingly join a higher tier, but restrict higher tier players from going back to lower tiers and pubstomping. This would place all players into more competitive matches.
As for squads:
If you are in a squad you must play in the tier corresponding to the highest SP ranking player in the squad. Otherwise you would not be able to join the battle. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:13:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:
nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow
If you are talking to me personally then I should inform you I am not in the academy.
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:15:00 -
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so what you saying is when a squad or a solo person searches for battle it should put yall with corresponding sp lvl people yes i agree, and im sure ccp is working on something similar in the mean time as it will take time the instant battle academy saves at least the newest players from being stomped. although this is technically not a betaa anymore it is far from complete and personally i think they're are more serious issues that should be worked first like bug s and glitch before the try changing the matchmaking system. pervy sage i deserve my sp i worked for it and i prefer to go against skilled players hell most ims leave pub stomps they are boring and only contribute to skilled players not playing dust anymore. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:16:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:
nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow
If you are talking to me personally then I should inform you I am not in the academy.
i would hope so with 5 mill sp lol no im not talking to you directly just in general |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:22:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:so what you saying is when a squad or a solo person searches for battle it should put yall with corresponding sp lvl people yes i agree, and im sure ccp is working on something similar in the mean time as it will take time the instant battle academy saves at least the newest players from being stomped. although this is technically not a betaa anymore it is far from complete and personally i think they're are more serious issues that should be worked first like bug s and glitch before the try changing the matchmaking system. pervy sage i deserve my sp i worked for it and i prefer to go against skilled players hell most ims leave pub stomps they are boring and only contribute to skilled players not playing dust anymore.
I respect that dude. I know there are those who think because they have max core skills and run full proto and go pub stomping that it makes them good players.
I guarantee these players are in for a rude awakening.
I really just want all players to have a good experience in DUST and to stick with it. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:27:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:
nope they take way more heavy and tank both take allot im a tanker i has 12 mill sp im still not maxed ..it is 5 mill avg just to get the suit ..if you spread it out assuming your going logi or ar you should at least get close to adv. but thats not the point going against proto gear in standard and militia is incredibly hard people have been screaming about it since jan 13th. and only supports extending new player instant battle academy access you can still be pulled into better battles if you have someone willing to run in our pubs with someone who's using lower rate gear. i dont see what the fuss is about. at least in the meantime while ccp works on this game you have somewhere to fight where we cant follow
If you are talking to me personally then I should inform you I am not in the academy. i would hope so with 5 mill sp lol no im not talking to you directly just in general
i do agree with tweaking the sp system to match people with equal sp its a good idea and one i believe ccp is currently working on. i dont like getting on this forum and seeing people crying about the sp difference between us and them ..i can understand wanting to go against equal player. but the second they start saying closed beta players need to be lowered because they have an advantage because they have been playing longer its an issue this is a work in progress and it isnt a fps its an mmo rpg fps and it will incorporate those aspects. ive spent the past year listening to scrubs whine about the basic principles in this game. mucho respect for picking up this game and getting to 5 mill sp and not being a closed beta player good job. i made an alt a few months ago just to see and understand scrubs hell. and that is why i support upping the sp rewards in instant battle academy ..but i also think it should be available for longer than 7 battles 10 k wp is measly and obtainable ina first sitting. i can understand wanting acess to higher tier matches with the exception being fw you do NOT WANT FW pro que sync and drop in all on the same side believe me you do not wanna face 16 imps when your new. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:29:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:so what you saying is when a squad or a solo person searches for battle it should put yall with corresponding sp lvl people yes i agree, and im sure ccp is working on something similar in the mean time as it will take time the instant battle academy saves at least the newest players from being stomped. although this is technically not a betaa anymore it is far from complete and personally i think they're are more serious issues that should be worked first like bug s and glitch before the try changing the matchmaking system. pervy sage i deserve my sp i worked for it and i prefer to go against skilled players hell most ims leave pub stomps they are boring and only contribute to skilled players not playing dust anymore. I respect that dude. I know there are those who think because they have max core skills and run full proto and go pub stomping that it makes them good players. I guarantee these players are in for a rude awakening. I really just want all players to have a good experience in DUST and to stick with it.
those player are already getting they'e rude awakening believe me no one in pc is using anything but proto or officer gear in pc gear does not matter just skill |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.05.18 12:41:00 -
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when i first started this game there was no instant academy and it was hell i lost more than i won and that slowly changed i know people who have picked up this game and put it down after an hour and that is an issue. if we are all patient and report issues discuss potential way to improve the game and report bugs slowly dust may just fulfill its potential. ijust felt the need to voice my opinion the insant battle academy is not enough and it does not last long enough atm and that is my stance...when you garduate the academy you should have at least 75% of your best suit converted to adv and to do otherwise would just be cruel. now i do like facing people in stnd gear with stnd gear even though my skills give me the edge and i think people should be able to do this. and that is why i wanted them to tier ambush plain old standard ambush imagine if when you selcet ambush it gave you tiers I -V and you could select one and you would not be able to use suits higher than that tier. 1 being militia and 5 being proto. then they should tier the isk rewards accordingly so for example ...if you join tier V you can use proto and under and the base is reawards would cover 1-3 proto suits cost so someone who thinks there fps skills are good enough to handle proto with militia could go into tier V with militia gear and fight and potentially turn a huge profit ...but the could also get completely destroyed its a risk they would have to take. wat do you think of this pervy sage ..im not saying rule out instant battle academy this is just my personal feeling about standard pub ambush |
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
62
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Posted - 2013.05.18 13:20:00 -
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That is what I was suggesting basically.
If you want you could join higher tier matches and fight protos.
You can't join lower tier matches, however. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.05.18 13:30:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:That is what I was suggesting basically.
If you want you could join higher tier matches and fight protos.
You can't join lower tier matches, however.
i think if your higher tier there should be a battle form where you can fight lower tiers but i believe there should be an equipment cap that way everyone has the option to use the exact same lvl gear ..the only difference would be the enhancment provided by skills i do not agree with pub stomping in protos when the people your fighting cannot even use proto yet but i do believe in pub stomping scrubs with they're own gear |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
66
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:57:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:That is what I was suggesting basically.
If you want you could join higher tier matches and fight protos.
You can't join lower tier matches, however. i think if your higher tier there should be a battle form where you can fight lower tiers but i believe there should be an equipment cap that way everyone has the option to use the exact same lvl gear ..the only difference would be the enhancment provided by skills i do not agree with pub stomping in protos when the people your fighting cannot even use proto yet but i do believe in pub stomping scrubs with they're own gear
No I disagree because this would only encourage pubstomping. Pit me against a squad of noobs right now and I guarantee I take out the whole squad using only MLT or standard gear. The core skills give such an advantage in and of themselves.
The whole point of an SP based tier system is to place players on more equal footing. Under my suggestions lower tier players would be able to go up and play Mercs in higher Tiers, but not visa versa.
I think this would give way more balance to the game.
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Mortedeamor
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
42
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:00:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:That is what I was suggesting basically.
If you want you could join higher tier matches and fight protos.
You can't join lower tier matches, however. i think if your higher tier there should be a battle form where you can fight lower tiers but i believe there should be an equipment cap that way everyone has the option to use the exact same lvl gear ..the only difference would be the enhancment provided by skills i do not agree with pub stomping in protos when the people your fighting cannot even use proto yet but i do believe in pub stomping scrubs with they're own gear No I disagree because this would only encourage pubstomping. Pit me against a squad of noobs right now and I guarantee I take out the whole squad using only MLT or standard gear. The core skills give such an advantage in and of themselves. The whole point of an SP based tier system is to place players on more equal footing. Under my suggestions lower tier players would be able to go up and play Mercs in higher Tiers, but not visa versa. I think this would give way more balance to the game.
either or doesnt really matter to me as i am a tanker but the isk should definitely be tiered to the match lvl as well |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
540
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:01:00 -
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As for opening topic... Why not allow newberries to have access to both academy and normal?
If they want, they can go and play with the protos, then realise they're horribly outmatched and go back to academy, or like the challenge and play anyway.
In the meantime, raise the WP to about 100k. That would help a fair bit, I would think. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
2349
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:02:00 -
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10,000 WP doesn't seem that bad. It's ok when you consider the WP you gain from hacking objectives and vehicles, killing mercs and vehicles, letting others use your uplinks, repairing a heavy suit, reviving downed team mates, letting your team mates use your nanohives, etc. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
42
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:10:00 -
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Laheon wrote:As for opening topic... Why not allow newberries to have access to both academy and normal?
If they want, they can go and play with the protos, then realise they're horribly outmatched and go back to academy, or like the challenge and play anyway.
In the meantime, raise the WP to about 100k. That would help a fair bit, I would think.
i agree 10 k wp is 2 hours tops |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:13:00 -
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The academy is Dust's best feature right now. Allow people to stay there longer. The game is a few hundred percent better for it. |
Jin Robot
Polar Gooks
511
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:16:00 -
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No, 10k is not too much. It teaches you to acquire WP, and once you focus on that its is simple to get at least 500/600 a match. On my newberry alt I ran and hacked a letter, than a supply right by it, than a turret. I got in the turret and took two somas out quickly, they where dumb enough to RDV a third one in the same spot. Lots and lots of WP and I had not even joined the front yet. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
546
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:23:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?
Oh, and regarding this post.. I first played in closed beta, started about mid July. I played until late August/early September, when I had to do some placement work overseas for 6 months, and started up again in March. When I left in September, I probably had about 4m SP, and when I came back, I had 500k. By then, people had already been playing for two months, and I was, judging by SP, horribly outmatched.
For my first few days, I had a KDR of about 0.8. Then I got to about 100 deaths, and my KDR started rising, until it got to about 1.3. Unfortunately, I'm without my PS3 at the moment (and have been so for a month and a half), so when I finally get my PS3 back I'll, yet again, be horribly outmatched. But not too badly, as I'll have my passive SP from that time too.
Point is, I was able to get back into the game that quickly because I already had some experience of it, I already knew how to handle the weapons, I already knew the maps, and I was already used to the game. Newberries don't have that luxury. I can guarantee that if we see an SP reset tomorrow, the vets will have better KDRs than the newberries.
Vets have already created new players and gone on killing sprees in the academy. An SP reset is NOT a good idea. |
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:24:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:On top of all this, the WPs needed to "graduate" should be ~100,000 or when the player gets ~5,000,000 SP. Whichever comes first.
Holy crap, I don't even have 4,000,000 SP.
I'd have more if I hadn't have forgotten to put my passive SP gain on my main before I stopped playing for three months, even though I don' t remember moving it. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1265
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:41:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:I understand that the academy is to help newberries develop a basic understanding of how the game works, but I think 10,000 WP is pushing it a bit. The chatroom is filled with some people wondering and wanting to get into the other game modes only to be let down when they hear "10,000 WP." I have an alt that's in the academy and it doesn't seem fair for the WP to be that slow for me as well. I think it should be reduced in half or change the way newbies can graduate. I have a feeling it might drive some away waiting too long to get into the other game modes. That's like 20 matches for a noob. He shouldn't even cap out before he's "graduated". I think it's still a lot.
Some things needs to be changed but we don't have to find a niche to complain about. 10K wps is nothing. You can get 2000wps in a skirmish! If they are only collecting 200wps after a full match of skirmish, then they should stay where they are at.
As opposed to trying to stomp with the big boys, get smoked....do not have fun....and then delete Dust off of their PS3 |
Immortal Captain
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:54:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Why is there so much hate directed toward the Idea of placing players on more even ground in terms of SP or gear?
Is it possibly because the vets who have been in game long enough to have 10 mil sp would not be able to achieve easy victories by pubstomping random noobs?
Is it because they do not want to WORK for their victories by fighting players who are comparable in SP and gear?
Do they feel their KDR and wallets being threatened because they KNOW deep down inside that they really do NOT have the amount of skill that they think they do!
Are they afraid their "tactics" (running around the field of battle en masse using all proto gear and crushing anything that gets in their path) would not really work when faced with an opponent with comparable gear and core skills?
Seems if they are so confident in the amount of true player skill they had they would have no problem only battling players with comparable SP and gear.
I think I may be on to something. i have been playing this game for over a year WHEN THE CLOSED BETA OPENED we all got full on reset. if you piked up dust jan 13 when it first went open and stuck with it then closed beta testers only had a few weeks advantage. further more if you did not then the sp gap is your own fault this is an rpg where time and dedication do put you on a different lvl. i dont fight srubs i fight pro's those are the real battles the battles that are not boring. and just fyi most of us never move beyond adv gear in pubs because it makes it to easy unless you **** us off. if you dont want to dedicate the time and effort to be on equal equipment footing go back to C.O.D or halo and stop mucking up the forums. the only things that need to be talked about on here are bugs and improvements to the game this game is not a ordinary fps it will never be an ordinary fps so either step up your game and grind out a decent suit or STFU AND GET OUT
BETA is a test phase, all stats should have been reset for the official release of this game.
Anything that happened before the 14th of may should not count now, the game was not fully released until then. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
2354
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:59:00 -
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Quote:BETA is a test phase, all stats should have been reset for the official release of this game.
Anything that happened before the 14th of may should not count now, the game was not fully released until then.
@Immortal Captain
Please remember that CCP is operating under a very different design philosophy. Just because other games reset the stats on launch it doesn't mean CCP is obligated to do the same thing. Those other companies that do reset the stats generally do it because they felt like it or it was part of a certain norm. But CCP doesn't usually follow norms even if those norms are profitable. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
552
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Posted - 2013.05.18 23:07:00 -
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Immortal Captain wrote:
BETA is a test phase, all stats should have been reset for the official release of this game.
Anything that happened before the 14th of may should not count now, the game was not fully released until then.
Technically *we're* in a test phase. This is the first we've seen of Planetary Conquest. And ADS's. And scrambler rifles. And a lot of other things.
So when do you want that reset? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
2354
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Posted - 2013.05.18 23:10:00 -
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Eve Online has been around for 10 years after it's "official launch" in 2003 yet to this day many of its 500,000+ inhabitants consider Eve Online to be in beta yet no one suffered any resets with the exception of a single skills respec that occurred early in its 10-year lifespan. Even then, players retained their stats. |
ZDub 303
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
168
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Posted - 2013.05.18 23:12:00 -
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When I first heard 10,000 war points I laughed (seriously? thats like 10-20 games at most).
I feel like newberries should have academy listed as an option until something like 5 million SP, while being able to queue for non-academy game modes at anytime.
Trust me... a new player would rather go back to fighting people with -only- up to 5 million SP once he's faced us protobears with 10-15 million and bankrolls that allow us to use full proto essentially indefinitely. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1011
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Posted - 2013.05.18 23:13:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Cosgar wrote:On top of all this, the WPs needed to "graduate" should be ~100,000 or when the player gets ~5,000,000 SP. Whichever comes first. Holy crap, I don't even have 4,000,000 SP. I'd have more if I hadn't have forgotten to put my passive SP gain on my main before I stopped playing for three months, even though I don' t remember moving it.
That's why I made it optional. You're either going to be comfortable enough to compete with the pros without being cannon fodder at 100,000 WP or geared enough to hold your own. The SP limit is also good for preventing people from simply milking newberries or being and islander. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
68
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Posted - 2013.05.18 23:32:00 -
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I have an alt that I started on the 14th to test out the scrambler - that alt has over 10,000 wp and no longer has access to instant academy battles.
Took no longer than 3 hrs, and has a total SP of 544,000
Now that alt gets to 'fight' in battles against proto players with 12 times the SP |
Mortedeamor
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
42
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Posted - 2013.05.18 23:36:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:When I first heard 10,000 war points I laughed (seriously? thats like 10-20 games at most).
I feel like newberries should have academy listed as an option until something like 5 million SP, while being able to queue for non-academy game modes at anytime.
Trust me... a new player would rather go back to fighting people with -only- up to 5 million SP once he's faced us protobears with 10-15 million and bankrolls that allow us to use full proto essentially indefinitely.
i agree i am almost in the 13 mill club now ,....i believe 5 mill is a nice round number average proto suit ..that would put most scrubs witha proto weapon ona decent suits assuming they played they're cards right 10 k wp is laughable lol ...ide say 100k wp before the other pub type appear and still i think the academy should be an option until at least 5 mill |
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