Bump, so the issue can get fixed.

Agreed something is up in the aim / frame rate area

I know there are lot's of threads out there complaining about this but I think they are saying the aim is the issue. I realized that the aim is fine, the real problem is a frame rate issue. If the enemy is moving toward you or away from you in a straight line or sitting still you can aim directly onto them and score legit shots on the enemy. However IF the enemy is moving left to right rather they are strafing, jumping, or sprinting. You have to lead the enemy in the direction they are moving. I believe that is somewhat proof that the game just needs a little image refocusing. IMO basically what is happening is the game is moving faster than we can see. What is happening in the game is things are happening faster and due to frame rate issues we see them half a second to maybe even a full second late.


I am a controller player who currently uses 50-60 sensitivity. Not sure if there is any more information you need to try to zero in on this and have this fixed immediately. I have faith that you guys can zero in on this problem and fix it with haste. Don't let me down!


I have this thread also in the feedback/request thread but I think this is probably where it should be.




"Consider the past and you shall know the future."

What you're describing is called network latency, not framerate. Nevertheless, there are ways to account for this and help remove it's impact. Hopefully CCP is listening.

Yeah after today I have decided to mcc till it is fixed.

After doing the swan death dance in my logi standard suit against a proto assault amarr, it must have been a 2 minute battle. I have shield regens and armor reppies so we would engage for a few seconds then reload and recharge, then rinse and repeat for around 2 min as he killed me with only 78 armor hp left.

The fact was one of us should have died within the first 30 seconds not 2 minutes. It was because the bullets were not registering, plain and simple. That has to do with framerate, lag and aim acceleration trash.

Seek me in the (Caldari) MCC fw sabotaging the Caldari scum

Ya fighting a Scout is ridiculously annoying as well. They are so fast you can't predict where their real body is. If they are speed modded forget about it you are just shooting at ghosts. "Spray and Pray"

Yeah it makes me gag a little actually, beings I hav(d)e such high hopes for dust.

Well hopefully if we remain strong and do not falter we can win this battle and turn the tide in the right direction. With some more support we can make it known as a Dust problem worthy of attention and efforts.

I'm throwing my hat in this ring. Using a hit or miss weapon, (shotgun) today's PC battles were,,, guesswork and full of What? No! Bullshit! .....dead moments. In a first person shooter... the shooting comes first.

With SP systems, proto gear, spy networks and welcome to new Eden flag waving, its starting to look like skill doesn't count for nearly as much as it should.

On a brighter note I'm considering the current PC a beta, and the end game long haul me and my friends shooting other people on proper and fair terms on both sides a thing I can look forward to at some point in the future. One day.

Hi,

Based on my limited knowledge of the networking code, we do have some mechanism to reduce the effect of latency, not sure exactly if that system covers the case you've mentioned.

I've forwarded the post to the programmer responsible for the networking code and we'll investigate.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Ever since Uprising my shotgun shots fly right through people 50-70% of the time. Tired of losing CreoDron's over it.

It's amazing when you see the 'particles' hit them in the face and they take no damage.

Aiming is not fine, and the problems are not due to what's described in this thread. This is a separate issue (a very real issue however ;)). I don't know what's causing it, maybe the PS3 can't quite handle the new graphics and models don't get rendered where they should be (enemy movement isn't exactly smooth, especially not in close quarters), or maybe the hit box and model didn't line up for some reason... or whatever lag compensation there is was broken in Uprising (most other things were so why not that ;)).

What I do know is that my hits don't always register, this is quite easy to see when using the shotgun. Yeah, I wouldn't trust a subjective "OMG I did *not* miss that shot" either, but I also get kills when I clearly missed the target... that is I've seen the swarm of bullets go past the enemy model and cursed the sluggish movement/aiming. The unexpected +50 just means one broken feature was cancelled out by another broken feature, not sure that is a good thing.

I know for a fact the problem is NOT the PS3 can't handle this game. The graphics on this game are not over the charts by any means I have seen other games go a lot crazier with their graphics. Hell I would say COD has more graphics than this and yes that is bad hit detection but that is because they took short cuts and no dedicated server.

Somebody pointed out IF you go to 480 resolution the game is better. I did this and it actually worked. So it's connected to higher resolution= break lower resolution=fixed I just don't wanna play a PS2 game on my PS3 is why I don't keep it at 480p.

+1 yeah that would explain the issues people are having, i figured it was something to do with hitboxes and hit detection back to the good old days but what you say makes sense so it is quite possible hopefully it is resolved

HEY CCP if you fix the AIM/Hit detector. you will acutally be fixing alot of other problems at the same time.

1) current TAC users will go back to the normal ARs
2) more people will spec into alternate weapons.

3) you may be able to cut down about 40% of the bitching and crying currently going on in the forum.

Hence you will be able to work on some of the other problems this game has.


not sure about the rest of you, but if i play an FPS i would really like to hit what i am aiming at

After playing a few games with HD resolutions disabled I've realized just how choppy things actually are now that I'm back to using 720p. It's horrible!

Sadly I can't really play at the lower resolution either, it's smooth but pretty much impossible to see what actually happens on the screen.

Also I still maintain this isn't *the* issue people have with aiming. The DS3 feels off for other reasons, and they too need to be fixed.

Hi,

Based on my limited knowledge of the networking code, we do have some mechanism to reduce the effect of latency, not sure exactly if that system covers the case you've mentioned.

I've forwarded the post to the programmer responsible for the networking code and we'll investigate.

Thanks for bringing this up.

I'm getting extreme frame rate problems even in regular Ambush battles.

Ditto, patch did little fix client lag issues, so far I've lagged out on Metropolis TWICE.

They didn't fix as much as they said they did. Tonight in aPC we still had somebody disc during the loading in process. It still takes time to throw nades and switch to S slot gun. The aiming is still a bit off you gotta shoot where the enemy is going and not where they are.

Hi XeroTheBigBoss,
We had a battle server patch at 11 GMT on 23 May.
In that patch we added an extra lag compensation considering the display lag which is expected to improve the aim issue.
Can you please try and tell if it makes improvement?

We did have in house playtest with 200-300ms environment and we didn't get the aim issue reproduced.
Is it possbile you record a video so we can identify what's wrong easily?

And some other questions:
How big is the ping from your ps3 to the battle server? Are you feeling the other enemies or yourself teleporting occasionally?
Are you having the aim issue for all weapons?
Do you fire at in front of or behind the enemy move direction to get actual shot?
When you get this problem, how far away is the enemy?
When you get this problem, is the frame rate high or low? Is the game running smoothly(player movement, particle effects, etc)?

Thanks!

Hi XeroTheBigBoss,
We had a battle server patch at 11 GMT on 23 May.
In that patch we added an extra lag compensation considering the display lag which is expected to improve the aim issue.
Can you please try and tell if it makes improvement?

We did have in house playtest with 200-300ms environment and we didn't get the aim issue reproduced.
Is it possbile you record a video so we can identify what's wrong easily?

And some other questions:
How big is the ping from your ps3 to the battle server? Are you feeling the other enemies or yourself teleporting occasionally?
Are you having the aim issue for all weapons?
Do you fire at in front of or behind the enemy move direction to get actual shot?
When you get this problem, how far away is the enemy?
When you get this problem, is the frame rate high or low? Is the game running smoothly(player movement, particle effects, etc)?

Thanks!

Hi XeroTheBigBoss,
We had a battle server patch at 11 GMT on 23 May.
In that patch we added an extra lag compensation considering the display lag which is expected to improve the aim issue.
Can you please try and tell if it makes improvement?

We did have in house playtest with 200-300ms environment and we didn't get the aim issue reproduced.
Is it possbile you record a video so we can identify what's wrong easily?

And some other questions:

How big is the ping from your ps3 to the battle server? Are you feeling the other enemies or yourself teleporting occasionally?
Are you having the aim issue for all weapons?
Do you fire at in front of or behind the enemy move direction to get actual shot?
When you get this problem, how far away is the enemy?
When you get this problem, is the frame rate high or low? Is the game running smoothly(player movement, particle effects, etc)?

Thanks!

And some other questions:

How big is the ping from your ps3 to the battle server? I really don't know how to look at the ping from the PS3 to the server but my connection speed is PING 20ms Download Speed 31.31Mbps Upload speed 3.12Mbps

Are you having the aim issue for all weapons? The problem doesn't happen as much with guns that have rapid fire (SMG, HMG) least I have been told from a few corp mates. The main gun it seems is the Assault Rifle, MAYBE the Scrambler I wouldn't know though I never used it.

Do you fire at in front of or behind the enemy move direction to get actual shot? I have to fire ahead of whatever direction the enemy is sprinting, jumping, or strafing at. If he is strafing left to right there is no way to hit him because at that point it really is just spray and pray at that point, specially against Scouts. (pretty much the faster they are the harder they are to predict and find their REAL body)

When you get this problem, how far away is the enemy? It's really all ranges. Close, medium, and longer distance.

When you get this problem, is the frame rate high or low? When I get these problems (which is honestly every single game every single gun fight permanent problem) the game is running the same as it normally ever did. There is no crazy Frame Rate Memory issue or anything. Rarely I see people teleporting around but that is rare and definitely that particular person lagging.

I use a PS3 Controller I have tried moving my sensitivity to faster and slower to see if that would help it shoot like it did in Chromosome. In Chromosome the shooting worked almost flawless when you shot at a guy you would get a indicator that you were hitting him with the blue shield splatter (sometimes due to lag the hit detection wouldn't register dmg but that is not the case in Uprising) I have already made a thread in the General Discussion to ask for help from the community I will ask Corp mates to see if anybody can capture what I am talking about on video I know multiple people have this problem.

I know there are lot's of threads out there complaining about this but I think they are saying the aim is the issue. I realized that the aim is fine, the real problem is a frame rate issue. If the enemy is moving toward you or away from you in a straight line or sitting still you can aim directly onto them and score legit shots on the enemy. However IF the enemy is moving left to right rather they are strafing, jumping, or sprinting. You have to lead the enemy in the direction they are moving. I believe that is somewhat proof that the game just needs a little image refocusing. IMO basically what is happening is the game is moving faster than we can see. What is happening in the game is things are happening faster and due to frame rate issues we see them half a second to maybe even a full second late.


I am a controller player who currently uses 50-60 sensitivity. Not sure if there is any more information you need to try to zero in on this and have this fixed immediately. I have faith that you guys can zero in on this problem and fix it with haste. Don't let me down!


I have this thread also in the feedback/request thread but I think this is probably where it should be.




"Consider the past and you shall know the future."

no your a noob the issue is when you zoom in it magnify's your sensitivity per zoom on assault rifles. aim is effed.

That was rude. No real information is conveyed here, and if it is no clues were given to the said information's relevance.

Perhaps you could clarify and cut out the trash talk?

Looking for help with the settings people are finding usable right now? I'm using the ds3 and sensitivity on both x and y are set to 0 or 10 and I seem to do ok with aiming down the sights. I can stay on target however if someone comes from my side and a cqc battle starts I lose every time i can not for the life of me blindfire it is extremely twitchy even with 0 sensitivity. So my question is what settings are people using with problems similar to me? I even played around with the move deadzones and oddly enough it seemed to help....

Any help would be great thanks

There is no magical setting. Regardless of what some people say. The problem is not the sensitivity at all. It's that when you are shooting people their body is really off to the left or right more ahead of their body on the screen. It depends on the direction they are moving the more speed they have the more difficult it is to track the real body and hit it because you can't see it.

Lol what if it was something simple like screwed up Widescreen settings. Like your pixels are off just a bit.

I wish :|

Ok if thats the case why when I aim down sights I can take people down and see hit markers it seems that the further away a target is it would intensify the problem no?

Is ccp even working on the controls or do they see everything as good?

Well let's hope they address the issue because if not....one person for sure will be done with dust even though the potential the game has amazes me.

I've been told by one of my corp that if you aim just to the right and up a little of the target you can get more kills that way.It seems to work.

After seeing this i did a bit of testing. I noticed a few things. Aim assist makes it very hard to leed your target, Turn that off. ADS is way slower than hip fire. I use the TAR [Not because its op, I hate it but all other ARs are crap] I tested with all the proto ARs. I can not explain it any other way but this: When you ADS with out a scoped gun your character moves independent of the gun. It happens with scoped guns also but not as bad. If you ADS on stairs and fall off your gun dosent keep up with your body. In ADS if you move right, Then juke back left your gun dosent keep up. Not sure if this is what your talking about, And im not sure if they intended it to work like that but its crap, and wasnt like that in Cromo.

I am talking like stop what you are working on and work on this problem 100% serious.

IF they are going right yes. IF they are going left you do the same but only to the left instead. It's just hard though to ignore what you see and what at what you don't see. What is the purpose in showing you a avatar of the enemy if he's not really there? Is my entire argument. I shouldn't have to shoot at wraiths, I should be able to aim (the function put in game to put bullets exactly where you want them to go) and shoot at the avatar shown on the tv screen.

As far as the other guy saying aim has been broken for a whole year I just came in to open beta so unfortunately I can't speak on that. I just know here in Uprising it is broken worse than ever (from what ME, I have seen). I joined Jan 10th (Open Beta)

Is the issue with hitting people a desync issue like with the mass driver?

I have recently submitted a ticket about this issue as well. This problem has to get fixed CCP it's a very serious issue in a shooter. I am talking like stop what you are working on and work on this problem 100% serious. Aim is extremely critical in a shooter.

+1

I would like to remind that there are also other hit-detection issues, that are unrelated to aiming, (at least I'm experiencing serious issues in some matches) where enemies, that are just standing still, wont take any dmg. Other people are also complaining about firing "duds" with several weapons, so I know that I'm not the only one having these issues.

100% honest question. Do CCP even PLAY their own game? Honestly. What is up with all these "can you send video or explain the situation so we can try to reproduce the problem" crap.

Play the game for a match or two and don't tell me it feels like a smooth FPS. Seriously?

Just go play. That is all.

Scouts are extremely fast and hard to hit, You have to leed your target. How much depends on how fast there moving and how much lag is in the game. The problem is its hard to get any DPS on them. You can hit them a few times then there gone behinde cover.
For some reason i cant post link but take a look at this video>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9IRzWgzArM <<< @ 1:12 or so you see the guy ADS then jump/fall on a hill. Watch how the gun moves, His body goes onway his gun the other. Best is @2:42 when he spawns in on the hill and ADS. He jumps in ADS and his body goes oneway and his gun sites go the other. Im long time gamer and back in the day with no crosshairs we would put a little dot of whiteout in center of screen. Try it and you will see how much your gun site floats. Now Is This 'Working as intended' I hope not.

[quote=RoTTeN-1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9IRzWgzArM <<<


In this video go to 3:50 He shoots a laser guy up with a whole clip and I think out of 60 bullets I think 3 of them found it's target.

I never said the guy was good, I just want people and CCP to see what happens when you ADS. See @2:40 Where the gun moves opposite of the players body.

the aiming, hit detection, lag and frame rate are all awful.

Last night I had to quit playing because of the frame rate was so bad.

That is happening to other people, eventually everybody will leave.

I keep running into this issue all the time..


Here is a good example, a small clip

http://www.twitch.tv/daopa/c/2353374

First shot appears to be center body - nothing registerd.

Second Shot Looked like a Head Shot - Nothing happened

Third Shot looks like i missed, Boom Headshot?

We have programmers dedicated to fixing this, this thread will be updated once there's any progress.

BTW, it'll be very nice to have a video demonstrating the problem.

can we get a corp room where we can shoot one another to demonstrate this problem as we record it?

We have programmers dedicated to fixing this, this thread will be updated once there's any progress.

BTW, it'll be very nice to have a video demonstrating the problem.

Quick question to the Devs, are there any methods running on the game to smooth framerates? Games that do this ussually end up with bad controlls overall due to what the smoothing does.



You guys should take a Mouse & Keyboard, put a PS3 into 576p mode play a good few matches get a good feel to how that feels (we want our controlls to work like that), now go back to playing in 720p, feels horrible doesnt it, especially in close quarter combat.

Since the ps3 limits itself in FPS, there does not seem to be any smoothing going on at low resolutions.

Also dont try it with a controller, the input diffrences are lessened by using the controller because it reacts diffrently to the framerate issues.

controller = you push your crosshair
KBM = you pull your crosshair

Its much more apparant while pulling on it.

try it out, its a simple test, shouldnt take you longer then an hour to figure it out and youll be doomed to play Dust @ 576p forever because there is no going back to 720p once you sampled 576p.

We have programmers dedicated to fixing this, this thread will be updated once there's any progress.

BTW, it'll be very nice to have a video demonstrating the problem.

Considering the date you posted this must mean they have made no progress.

Fire your programmers.

*professional artist speaking

As a burst HMG user this is a serious problem as I either hit and kill or get a face full of blue shields.

We have programmers dedicated to fixing this, this thread will be updated once there's any progress.

BTW, it'll be very nice to have a video demonstrating the problem.

Here is another video example:

http://www.twitch.tv/daopa/c/2462551

Clip shows 6 shots all on target, with nothing registering ...video clip was from a stream session 3 days ago ..

We have programmers dedicated to fixing this, this thread will be updated once there's any progress.

BTW, it'll be very nice to have a video demonstrating the problem.

here is low frame rate and inputlag :(

its impossible to create video for showing inputlag, it just seems as if i cant aim fine enough xD

p.s. i hope new update will repair game, and i'll be back