Bump, so the issue can get fixed.

Agreed something is up in the aim / frame rate area

What you're describing is called network latency, not framerate. Nevertheless, there are ways to account for this and help remove it's impact. Hopefully CCP is listening.

Yeah after today I have decided to mcc till it is fixed.

After doing the swan death dance in my logi standard suit against a proto assault amarr, it must have been a 2 minute battle. I have shield regens and armor reppies so we would engage for a few seconds then reload and recharge, then rinse and repeat for around 2 min as he killed me with only 78 armor hp left.

The fact was one of us should have died within the first 30 seconds not 2 minutes. It was because the bullets were not registering, plain and simple. That has to do with framerate, lag and aim acceleration trash.

Seek me in the (Caldari) MCC fw sabotaging the Caldari scum

Yeah it makes me gag a little actually, beings I hav(d)e such high hopes for dust.

I'm throwing my hat in this ring. Using a hit or miss weapon, (shotgun) today's PC battles were,,, guesswork and full of What? No! Bullshit! .....dead moments. In a first person shooter... the shooting comes first.

With SP systems, proto gear, spy networks and welcome to new Eden flag waving, its starting to look like skill doesn't count for nearly as much as it should.

On a brighter note I'm considering the current PC a beta, and the end game long haul me and my friends shooting other people on proper and fair terms on both sides a thing I can look forward to at some point in the future. One day.

Hi,

Based on my limited knowledge of the networking code, we do have some mechanism to reduce the effect of latency, not sure exactly if that system covers the case you've mentioned.

I've forwarded the post to the programmer responsible for the networking code and we'll investigate.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Ever since Uprising my shotgun shots fly right through people 50-70% of the time. Tired of losing CreoDron's over it.

It's amazing when you see the 'particles' hit them in the face and they take no damage.

Aiming is not fine, and the problems are not due to what's described in this thread. This is a separate issue (a very real issue however ;)). I don't know what's causing it, maybe the PS3 can't quite handle the new graphics and models don't get rendered where they should be (enemy movement isn't exactly smooth, especially not in close quarters), or maybe the hit box and model didn't line up for some reason... or whatever lag compensation there is was broken in Uprising (most other things were so why not that ;)).

What I do know is that my hits don't always register, this is quite easy to see when using the shotgun. Yeah, I wouldn't trust a subjective "OMG I did *not* miss that shot" either, but I also get kills when I clearly missed the target... that is I've seen the swarm of bullets go past the enemy model and cursed the sluggish movement/aiming. The unexpected +50 just means one broken feature was cancelled out by another broken feature, not sure that is a good thing.

+1 yeah that would explain the issues people are having, i figured it was something to do with hitboxes and hit detection back to the good old days but what you say makes sense so it is quite possible hopefully it is resolved

HEY CCP if you fix the AIM/Hit detector. you will acutally be fixing alot of other problems at the same time.

1) current TAC users will go back to the normal ARs
2) more people will spec into alternate weapons.

3) you may be able to cut down about 40% of the bitching and crying currently going on in the forum.

Hence you will be able to work on some of the other problems this game has.


not sure about the rest of you, but if i play an FPS i would really like to hit what i am aiming at

After playing a few games with HD resolutions disabled I've realized just how choppy things actually are now that I'm back to using 720p. It's horrible!

Sadly I can't really play at the lower resolution either, it's smooth but pretty much impossible to see what actually happens on the screen.

Also I still maintain this isn't *the* issue people have with aiming. The DS3 feels off for other reasons, and they too need to be fixed.

Ditto, patch did little fix client lag issues, so far I've lagged out on Metropolis TWICE.

Hi XeroTheBigBoss,
We had a battle server patch at 11 GMT on 23 May.
In that patch we added an extra lag compensation considering the display lag which is expected to improve the aim issue.
Can you please try and tell if it makes improvement?

We did have in house playtest with 200-300ms environment and we didn't get the aim issue reproduced.
Is it possbile you record a video so we can identify what's wrong easily?

And some other questions:
How big is the ping from your ps3 to the battle server? Are you feeling the other enemies or yourself teleporting occasionally?
Are you having the aim issue for all weapons?
Do you fire at in front of or behind the enemy move direction to get actual shot?
When you get this problem, how far away is the enemy?
When you get this problem, is the frame rate high or low? Is the game running smoothly(player movement, particle effects, etc)?

Thanks!

Hi XeroTheBigBoss,
We had a battle server patch at 11 GMT on 23 May.
In that patch we added an extra lag compensation considering the display lag which is expected to improve the aim issue.
Can you please try and tell if it makes improvement?

We did have in house playtest with 200-300ms environment and we didn't get the aim issue reproduced.
Is it possbile you record a video so we can identify what's wrong easily?

And some other questions:

How big is the ping from your ps3 to the battle server? Are you feeling the other enemies or yourself teleporting occasionally?
Are you having the aim issue for all weapons?
Do you fire at in front of or behind the enemy move direction to get actual shot?
When you get this problem, how far away is the enemy?
When you get this problem, is the frame rate high or low? Is the game running smoothly(player movement, particle effects, etc)?

Thanks!

And some other questions:

How big is the ping from your ps3 to the battle server? I really don't know how to look at the ping from the PS3 to the server but my connection speed is PING 20ms Download Speed 31.31Mbps Upload speed 3.12Mbps

Are you having the aim issue for all weapons? The problem doesn't happen as much with guns that have rapid fire (SMG, HMG) least I have been told from a few corp mates. The main gun it seems is the Assault Rifle, MAYBE the Scrambler I wouldn't know though I never used it.

Do you fire at in front of or behind the enemy move direction to get actual shot? I have to fire ahead of whatever direction the enemy is sprinting, jumping, or strafing at. If he is strafing left to right there is no way to hit him because at that point it really is just spray and pray at that point, specially against Scouts. (pretty much the faster they are the harder they are to predict and find their REAL body)

When you get this problem, how far away is the enemy? It's really all ranges. Close, medium, and longer distance.

When you get this problem, is the frame rate high or low? When I get these problems (which is honestly every single game every single gun fight permanent problem) the game is running the same as it normally ever did. There is no crazy Frame Rate Memory issue or anything. Rarely I see people teleporting around but that is rare and definitely that particular person lagging.

I use a PS3 Controller I have tried moving my sensitivity to faster and slower to see if that would help it shoot like it did in Chromosome. In Chromosome the shooting worked almost flawless when you shot at a guy you would get a indicator that you were hitting him with the blue shield splatter (sometimes due to lag the hit detection wouldn't register dmg but that is not the case in Uprising) I have already made a thread in the General Discussion to ask for help from the community I will ask Corp mates to see if anybody can capture what I am talking about on video I know multiple people have this problem.

That was rude. No real information is conveyed here, and if it is no clues were given to the said information's relevance.

Perhaps you could clarify and cut out the trash talk?

Looking for help with the settings people are finding usable right now? I'm using the ds3 and sensitivity on both x and y are set to 0 or 10 and I seem to do ok with aiming down the sights. I can stay on target however if someone comes from my side and a cqc battle starts I lose every time i can not for the life of me blindfire it is extremely twitchy even with 0 sensitivity. So my question is what settings are people using with problems similar to me? I even played around with the move deadzones and oddly enough it seemed to help....

Any help would be great thanks

Lol what if it was something simple like screwed up Widescreen settings. Like your pixels are off just a bit.

I wish :|

Ok if thats the case why when I aim down sights I can take people down and see hit markers it seems that the further away a target is it would intensify the problem no?

Is ccp even working on the controls or do they see everything as good?

Well let's hope they address the issue because if not....one person for sure will be done with dust even though the potential the game has amazes me.

I've been told by one of my corp that if you aim just to the right and up a little of the target you can get more kills that way.It seems to work.

After seeing this i did a bit of testing. I noticed a few things. Aim assist makes it very hard to leed your target, Turn that off. ADS is way slower than hip fire. I use the TAR [Not because its op, I hate it but all other ARs are crap] I tested with all the proto ARs. I can not explain it any other way but this: When you ADS with out a scoped gun your character moves independent of the gun. It happens with scoped guns also but not as bad. If you ADS on stairs and fall off your gun dosent keep up with your body. In ADS if you move right, Then juke back left your gun dosent keep up. Not sure if this is what your talking about, And im not sure if they intended it to work like that but its crap, and wasnt like that in Cromo.

Is the issue with hitting people a desync issue like with the mass driver?

Quick question to the Devs, are there any methods running on the game to smooth framerates? Games that do this ussually end up with bad controlls overall due to what the smoothing does.



You guys should take a Mouse & Keyboard, put a PS3 into 576p mode play a good few matches get a good feel to how that feels (we want our controlls to work like that), now go back to playing in 720p, feels horrible doesnt it, especially in close quarter combat.

Since the ps3 limits itself in FPS, there does not seem to be any smoothing going on at low resolutions.

Also dont try it with a controller, the input diffrences are lessened by using the controller because it reacts diffrently to the framerate issues.

controller = you push your crosshair
KBM = you pull your crosshair

Its much more apparant while pulling on it.

try it out, its a simple test, shouldnt take you longer then an hour to figure it out and youll be doomed to play Dust @ 576p forever because there is no going back to 720p once you sampled 576p.

Considering the date you posted this must mean they have made no progress.

Fire your programmers.

*professional artist speaking

Here is another video example:

http://www.twitch.tv/daopa/c/2462551

Clip shows 6 shots all on target, with nothing registering ...video clip was from a stream session 3 days ago ..

here is low frame rate and inputlag :(

its impossible to create video for showing inputlag, it just seems as if i cant aim fine enough xD

p.s. i hope new update will repair game, and i'll be back