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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:01:00 -
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Greetings!
I would preface this "Top 10" with the following:
I love Dust. It's truly a thinking-man's shooter. A couple months back -- after hours of farming info via the forums -- I decided to try my luck at the "glass cannon" shotgun scout build. It's been fun, but it was more fun (and perhaps more viable) prior to Uprising. My primary objective here is two-fold: 1) to offer a word of warning to those new to Dust since Uprising and 2) to open up dialogue with others who may be considering a respec.
--- A Scout Shotgunner's Top 10 Reasons not to be a Scout Shotgunner ---
01) No significant scan radius advantage (why's it called a "Scout" again?).
02) No significant speed advantage (Calamity Jane is just as fast in Logi gear).
03) New aiming mechanics (it's getting better, but you will still miss. And then you'll die.).
04) Optimal shotgun range (now spitting distance).
05) Flanking is far less effective (unless militia or AFK, your flanked prey now takes 2-3 times longer to kill).
06) Non-Scout shotgunners (you'll often be OHK'd before you can land your 2-3 shots).
07) Tactical ARs.
08) Submachine guns.
09) The Heavy/HMG buff (try circling a post-buff fatty).
10) Nova Knives are more fun and get more chicks.
Caveat:
Please note that this post pre-dates the long rumored cloak mods. If such a device were scout-exclusive, then I'd take back this Top 10 with apologies. Until then, however, I see no reason not to respec as a Logi. Keep your 10 m/s sprint with stacked KinCats, boost your survivability with piles more HP, and be a better "scout" with an active scanner. An instant upgrade from nuisance to threat. And a viable build for facing off against hardened targets in PC.
That's my take, at least. Looking forward to your thoughts and feedback.
- Shotty GoBang
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
921
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:03:00 -
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I especially like option 10.
If you're up to it, I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on shotguns in greater detail. I haven't had a chance to try them yet personally :( |
GLiMPSE X
Elite Gamers Militia
20
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:05:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Greetings!
I would preface this "Top 10" with the following:
I love Dust. It's truly a thinking-man's shooter. A couple months back -- after hours of farming info via the forums -- I decided to try my luck at the "glass cannon" shotgun scout build. It's been fun, but it was more fun (and perhaps more viable) prior to Uprising. My primary objective here is two-fold: 1) to offer a word of warning to those new to Dust since Uprising and 2) to open up dialogue with others who may be considering a respec.
--- A Scout Shotgunner's Top 10 Reasons not to be a Scout Shotgunner ---
01) No significant scan radius advantage (why's it called a "Scout" again?).
02) No significant speed advantage (Calamity Jane is just as fast in Logi gear).
03) New aiming mechanics (it's getting better, but you will still miss. And then you'll die.).
04) Optimal shotgun range (now spitting distance).
05) Flanking is far less effective (unless militia or AFK, your flanked prey now takes 2-3 times longer to kill).
06) Non-Scout shotgunners (you'll often be OHK'd before you can land your 2-3 shots).
07) Tactical ARs.
08) Submachine guns.
09) The Heavy/HMG buff (try circling a post-buff fatty).
10) Nova Knives are more fun and get more chicks.
Caveat:
Please note that this post pre-dates the long rumored cloak mods. If such a device were scout-exclusive, then I'd take back this Top 10 with apologies. Until then, however, I see no reason not to respec as a Logi. Keep your 10 m/s sprint with stacked KinCats, boost your survivability with piles more HP, and be a better "scout" with an active scanner. An instant upgrade from nuisance to threat. And a viable build for facing off against hardened targets in PC.
That's my take, at least. Looking forward to your thoughts and feedback.
- Shotty GoBang
From one shotty scout to the other I agree, for the most part. The passive movement speed of logi is a bit slower but the sprint speed is really what matters.
That all being said, the scout dropsuits currently have no place. But I agree, if cloaking is made exclusive to these I take back all the mean things i've said :-P
On that note, I don't see any reason for this NOT to be an exclusive module once released. |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
48
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:15:00 -
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Man, I can see that cloaking with a shotgun will make any scouts virtually invincible. How would this be balanced? |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:20:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I especially like option 10.
If you're up to it, I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on shotguns in greater detail. I haven't had a chance to try them yet personally :(
Hi Nova! I've yet to rival the experience of Calamity Jane or Morathi, but I'd be glad to share my two cents with you. What thoughts on the topic would you like to discuss?
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Cruor Abominare
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:20:00 -
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You aren't allowed to respec shotty. You have been an important and iconic source of terror for me and my buddy for months, it won't be the same without you. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1174
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:34:00 -
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I just went 25/7 with shotguns, and ceoprex goes 48 kills with the shotgun in this video.. one sec I'll fin it.
anyways, your wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHoNQSpt20
Watch this and really tell me you think shotguns need a buff.
In on the other hand speed boosters cost more sp than most skills and yet they resently nerfed how much of a bonus they give. Scouts should be a bit faster with modules fitted. |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
261
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:56:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:
In on the other hand speed boosters cost more sp than most skills and yet they resently nerfed how much of a bonus they give. Scouts should be a bit faster with modules fitted.
agreed. The stamina itself is shameful. Yay. my proto scout can run a new york block and then he's pooped.
biotics give you a 1% per level increase. 1%? We call that skim milk in the midwest.
Then the minimatar- supposedly the fastest scout with sub 100 armor only gets 2 low slots. so- basically we'll give you nil armor, and still keep you slow enough it doesn't balance out. Even with 2% complex kin cats and effacy (another 1% joke) you aren't the fastest scout. That would be gallante.
so pretty much a head scratcher.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:01:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:I just went 25/7 with shotguns, and ceoprex goes 48 kills with the shotgun in this video.. one sec I'll fin it. anyways, your wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHoNQSpt20Watch this and really tell me you think shotguns need a buff. In on the other hand speed boosters cost more sp than most skills and yet they resently nerfed how much of a bonus they give. Scouts should be a bit faster with modules fitted.
I love CeoPyrex vids!
Now imagine Pyrex in the same pub match against the same random noobs ... but this time with double the shields, triple the armor, the same sprint speed and virtually no drawbacks! That would've been crazy, huh? That's a Logi Shotgunner. That's Calamity Jane and Annie Oakley. And that's my point.
To quote your source (since I'm wrong), scroll to 6 min and 24 seconds.
Nonetheless, you're absolutely correct in that a scout shotgunner can and will perform well. My focus here, however, is more to challenge the practicality, consistency, and viability of the build in the long run (i.e. against equally skilled, organized opponents).
- Shotty |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
68
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:21:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:I just went 25/7 with shotguns, and ceoprex goes 48 kills with the shotgun in this video.. one sec I'll fin it. anyways, your wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHoNQSpt20Watch this and really tell me you think shotguns need a buff. In on the other hand speed boosters cost more sp than most skills and yet they resently nerfed how much of a bonus they give. Scouts should be a bit faster with modules fitted.
Actually you're wrong.
* Shotgun from 4th level takes 3 point blank shots to down STD Assault.
* He counts OB into shotgun kills, nice.
* He just takes kills from his team mates. That's where majority of his frags came from.
* He's playing against noobs that are not noticing shotgun and don't even turn around when he packs two slugs in their back. Try doing that in EU servers, facing full teams of KBM tryhards who turn on a dime and headshot you with their TAC Duvolle.
Seriously. Try shotgunning against good players in shield buffed PRO suits. It was viable in previous build, it's not viable now. Damn, it's 100x easier to get them down with SMG. And he even says it in the video you linked, LOL, he says "shotgun is underpowered now". And it's true. You could have two-shot heavies with CRG-3 previous build, you need to point blank STD heavy 4 times now, and you better be hitting his ugly face.
He says "get a shotgun, put it on a dragonfly", while his fav suite of the match was Minmi MK0 with complex shield extenders and ADV shotty. And he still managed to die 9 times in that. LOL
I used them heavily before and I will say this: shotguns are borked this build. Why?
Because it's easier to get kills with knife, than with shotgun, from 1m away. That's why. |
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crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1177
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:24:00 -
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ok ok you're right. When you bring up the auto healing logi shotgunner with speed mods it's just as fast but better in every way. It's not the shotgun it's the suit, yes. But however you are wrong about one thing, the sig is very important. I've got scout level 5 : ) you can just sit behind walls right next to objectives and you'll never pop up on radar, it's amazing.
But I'm still all for lowering their sig more, increasing scan range, adding a 2nd equipment slot again? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Maybe scouts should all get a 5% sprint speed per level bonus instead of sig radius, and then lower all scouts sig by 25%? add a 2nd equipment slot because I miss my tech 2 scouts.
If we give them more solts they will be broken, but I think more equipment is ok. thoughts?
OH but I don't think the shotgun is bad, AT ALL. he almost got 50 kills, if you buff the shotgun more he would of got 60. The weapon is fine.... Shotguns are fine as they are no changes please. Breach maybe. |
SmileB4Death
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
80
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:49:00 -
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So if you stack complex Kin the Gal is faster than a Minnie? |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
573
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:18:00 -
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SmileB4Death wrote:So if you stack complex Kin the Gal is faster than a Minnie?
Yes |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1179
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:01:00 -
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SmileB4Death wrote:So if you stack complex Kin the Gal is faster than a Minnie?
4 Complex speed mods <3
all day everyday |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
149
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:06:00 -
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Just because someone does well with a particular weapon does not mean it is not weak. Would be like saying Beethoven is proof that being deaf is useful in the music industry.
Be well. |
GLiMPSE X
Elite Gamers Militia
23
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:17:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:Man, I can see that cloaking with a shotgun will make any scouts virtually invincible. How would this be balanced?
Can't enable the module for x seconds after combat and can't shoot for x seconds after coming out of cloak. x can be lowered and by skills never to equal 0 but highly invested sp should be able to get it fairly low. Dev's can define fairly low however balance dictates.
Anyways, that's another topic and lets not derail. |
Calamity Jane II
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
82
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:55:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:I just went 25/7 with shotguns, and ceoprex goes 48 kills with the shotgun in this video.. one sec I'll fin it. anyways, your wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHoNQSpt20Watch this and really tell me you think shotguns need a buff. In on the other hand speed boosters cost more sp than most skills and yet they resently nerfed how much of a bonus they give. Scouts should be a bit faster with modules fitted.
Actually they buffed how much speed you get. 5% bonus at lvl 5 kinetic to each module, what got nerfed from last build were stamina and recovery. additional stamina from what used to be old yellow catalyzers disappeared completely, and green catas now get 2% addition to recovery and total stamina per module as opposed to 5% additional stamina and recovery to your base suit rate a huge nerf. hell last build i had 400+ stamina on my vk0. now i only have half that on caldari logi. granted different base stamina amounts but still there's some adjusting to get used to.
I believe the point of the thread is how its a bit tougher to do what the scout used to do when there are other just as viable options in different suits. Cladari and Galente logis are prime examples. With 5 low slots you could be a running and gunning machine in Galente logi with either 2 red 2 greens and a pg module or 3 red 1 green and pg module. Cladari wise, to make everything fit on my suit it requires that pg module (2 reds one green and pg module). It take more to do the same as a scout SP wise but the benefits are 600 shields and equivalent if not faster run speeds (or what i do, 588 shields one lvl 3 melee stim, rep tool, stabber, nano hives, shotty, nades, 2 red stims one green and one pg module). a major factor when shotgunning at close range, survivability kicks in when an enemy can't peg you to death throgh your shields at larger distances or extreme close range.
Furthermore, I have noticed if you run while meleeing you can melee as fast as you hit the button, none of the clunky "let me swing my elbow at you and reload it to swing again" movements. having a spare slot on galante for a second green stim is huge! you can litteraly beat a heavy to death in a mater of 2 seconds, hell i do it on caldari with one green pack and i can swing 3-4 times in under 2 seconds. with the micro fibril stim at lvl 3 thats 148 damage a swing, thats 592 damage in 2 seconds. if your shotgun misses you can literaly baby seal club most suits to death. Don't belive me? try it. run and melee at some one hard and fast, ask my enemies I melee more in this build than any other previous build and wreck people. Ive knocked down some heavy hitters from good corps too. Hell if they read this go ahead and post if you got "stung" my little caldari bee suit fit.
Guess thats it, sorry for the rambling.
<3 the busy Mumble Bee
-Calamity Jane II |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3078
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:21:00 -
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On point 1, Scan Radius DOES need a change, because right now, other suits are too good, AND the Scout is too weak. But you get a MUCH better Scan Profile now in comparison with other suits, so Scouts can do stealth a lot better than we used to. Unfortunately, that's balanced by the fact that we can be matched by a Logi in any area we choose to invest, so it would be nice to have that little extra scan radius buff so we have a decent range of abilities that work well together.
But as for this:
Shotty GoBang wrote:Caveat:
Please note that this post pre-dates the long rumored cloak mods. If such a device were scout-exclusive, then I'd take back this Top 10 with apologies.
Cloaking isn't a "rumour", it's been outright stated as a plan by the devs. It's intended - at present - to be an Equipment item, meaning it'll be available to everyone but Heavies. There will probably (hopefully) be some added benefit to equipping it on a Scout suit, though.
What we need is more Scan Radius, and a lowered radius on other suits. Keep the Light Frame as-is, drop all other non-Scout suits, and bump the range up on Scouts. Not TOO far, but just a bit. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
369
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:44:00 -
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Good Topic Shotty.
Scouts need a scan buff for sure, it's just to hard to be a scout when a logi and do everything we do and even do it better.
N1ck |
Morathi III
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:02:00 -
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+1 high slot to gal, +1 low slot to minnie |
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Nova Knife Ninja
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:09:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I especially like option 10.
If you're up to it, I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on shotguns in greater detail. I haven't had a chance to try them yet personally :(
There you are! *grabs nova knife and runs into battle* |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
115
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:17:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Greetings!
I would preface this "Top 10" with the following:
I love Dust. It's truly a thinking-man's shooter. A couple months back -- after hours of farming info via the forums -- I decided to try my luck at the "glass cannon" shotgun scout build. It's been fun, but it was more fun (and perhaps more viable) prior to Uprising. My primary objective here is two-fold: 1) to offer a word of warning to those new to Dust since Uprising and 2) to open up dialogue with others who may be considering a respec.
--- A Scout Shotgunner's Top 10 Reasons not to be a Scout Shotgunner ---
01) No significant scan radius advantage (why's it called a "Scout" again?).
02) No significant speed advantage (Calamity Jane is just as fast in Logi gear).
03) New aiming mechanics (it's getting better, but you will still miss. And then you'll die.).
04) Optimal shotgun range (now spitting distance).
05) Flanking is far less effective (unless militia or AFK, your flanked prey now takes 2-3 times longer to kill).
06) Non-Scout shotgunners (you'll often be OHK'd before you can land your 2-3 shots).
07) Tactical ARs.
08) Submachine guns.
09) The Heavy/HMG buff (try circling a post-buff fatty).
10) Nova Knives are more fun and get more chicks.
Caveat:
Please note that this post pre-dates the long rumored cloak mods. If such a device were scout-exclusive, then I'd take back this Top 10 with apologies. Until then, however, I see no reason not to respec as a Logi. Keep your 10 m/s sprint with stacked KinCats, boost your survivability with piles more HP, and be a better "scout" with an active scanner. An instant upgrade from nuisance to threat. And a viable build for facing off against hardened targets in PC.
That's my take, at least. Looking forward to your thoughts and feedback.
- Shotty GoBang
Number 10 is a bold face lie! I dare say sir that maybe you've been under the sun too long! your name is shotty lad! shotty! Knives may pierce a woman's heart. But a shotgun will keep her close to you. *THATS pychopathic bro!*
wait! Um.. let me rephrase that..
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rebecca watson
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
59
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Posted - 2013.05.18 00:22:00 -
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I agree the SG got demoted pretty hard. One thing though- It's quiet now!
I can't hear the damn thing, It makes a little whimpy 'whump' noise. Can't even tell the things hitting me till it's too late, especially when there's other sh*t going on around.... let alone if someone else is getting hit by it near me to give me a heads up.... just a thought. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:21:00 -
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I would have agreeed with OP ,if i didnt start playing shotgunscout again last night,I do agree with the lack on aim mechanic as it tough to hit people whiel strafhing and while the enemey is move as well,but that isnt the most important,the suit takes alittle more awareness to use,planning your route to get in and out of the situation is key.
Also if anyone wants to start scout shotgunning pick the minmatar,the other isnt vaild to me any more with how few high it has for shields,plus winmar's movement speed will save your ass. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
311
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:37:00 -
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Start stacking complex range amplifiers on a gallente prototype scout and your passive scanning range gets pretty good. The speed advantage may not be that great, but they do get more endurance so they can sprint more often. I will admit though what sucks is how useless profile dampening has become. With everyone only having a 10 meter default scan radius you can't even really detect a heavy sneaking up on you, so your 25% profile dampening is pretty much useless.
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:55:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:I just went 25/7 with shotguns, and ceoprex goes 48 kills with the shotgun in this video.. one sec I'll fin it. anyways, your wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHoNQSpt20Watch this and really tell me you think shotguns need a buff. In on the other hand speed boosters cost more sp than most skills and yet they resently nerfed how much of a bonus they give. Scouts should be a bit faster with modules fitted.
In the video he says it needs a buff... |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
315
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:34:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:I just went 25/7 with shotguns, and ceoprex goes 48 kills with the shotgun in this video.. one sec I'll fin it. anyways, your wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHoNQSpt20Watch this and really tell me you think shotguns need a buff. In on the other hand speed boosters cost more sp than most skills and yet they resently nerfed how much of a bonus they give. Scouts should be a bit faster with modules fitted. In the video he says it needs a buff... Not a damage buff though, there has to be a reason to use nova knives over shotguns. But what it does need is a bit better spread. Right now you have to be dead on with your shot or else it completely missed which is quite a trick now that they improved strafing.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
10
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:12:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:
Not a damage buff though, there has to be a reason to use nova knives over shotguns. But what it does need is a bit better spread. Right now you have to be dead on with your shot or else it completely missed which is quite a trick now that they improved strafing.
Hmmm...I must respectfully disagree on both points, good sir.
1) A larger spread pattern would mean fewer pellets on target for well-placed shots. If the spread were opened, SG users would likely want to revert to the former pattern once CCP squares away aiming, hipfire and latency issues.
2) Nova Knives are awesome and super ballsy, but they're still a side arm. Introduce Nova Sword, Nova Halberd or Nova NunChucks as primary weapon. Then we'd be comparing apples and apples :-) |
Vixi Starhart
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.20 00:03:00 -
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As a shotgun scout, the things I must keep in mind are getting in close and being able to deal huge damage in a short amount of time.
Getting in close is quite a trick, since scan profiles and profile dampening is very poorly explained, if at all. Sometimes I mark a guy on radar who happens to be behind two walls, sometimes an entire squad fails to appear on radar even though they rest within my cone of view. I have absolutely zero idea how scanning and profiels work; as such, I do not know if, as a stealthy shotgun scout, investing in profile dampening is worth it at all.
The other is the spread pattern. Right now, you have to be VERY close and dead-on in order to maximize damage, but thanks t the wonky aiming introduced with Uprising, and how it continues to be unreliable post-alterations, this is a tricky thing to do.
I don't really care if other suits can go almost as fast as me with more health. I just want to be stealthy. Scouts suits should have a large passive bonus to profile dampening (forget scan radius) and there should be a very good explanation of how dampening and scanning works. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
321
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Posted - 2013.05.20 00:26:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:
Not a damage buff though, there has to be a reason to use nova knives over shotguns. But what it does need is a bit better spread. Right now you have to be dead on with your shot or else it completely missed which is quite a trick now that they improved strafing.
Hmmm...I must respectfully disagree on both points, good sir. 1) A larger spread pattern would mean fewer pellets on target for well-placed shots. If the spread were opened, SG users would likely want to revert to the former pattern once CCP squares away aiming, hipfire and latency issues. 2) Nova Knives are awesome and super ballsy, but they're still a side arm. Introduce Nova Sword, Nova Halberd or Nova NunChucks as primary weapon. Then we'd be comparing apples and apples :-)
Point taken with number 2, that is valid. However for point 1 I still think it would be nice if they introduced a variant that had a little more spread. |
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noob cavman
Shadow Company HQ
0
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:08:00 -
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The only gripe I have with the scout shotty are,
1) the aiming feels a little numb but that should be sorted in due time
2) the scout proto is more expensive than a assault proto.
But hell , dragonfly with basic shotty and 2 mil red juice has become my go to suit for all games now, will admit most of the time im side charging a red chanting please dont see me please dont seemme oh bugger your looking at me .... |
Superluminal Replicant
Planetary Response Organization
46
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:23:00 -
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Skinweave minmatar logistics shotgun/remote explosives fit is much more fun, especially on the domination maps. Also it runs almost as fast as a scout suit.
I use the scout suite shotgun usually just once, at the beginning of the match to rush the objective, and drop an uplink.
Nova sword main weapon would be ******* epic, CCP please add this. |
Kai Wulf
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:27:00 -
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In his latest video, CEOPyrex is starting to get fed up with the aiming issues...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfaaAn9od1A
It looks like he's just rubbish at aiming and he has even admitted that he's not the best at it, but even I have noticed the weird aiming going on. It's like the sensitivity setting is set to random in some games, while working fine in others. |
noob cavman
Shadow Company HQ
0
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:31:00 -
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It has to do with how terrible the mouse sensitivity is I believe. Tried it once with the shotty..... never ever EVER again.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
11
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:31:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:I still think it would be nice if they introduced a variant that had a little more spread.
I agree 100% Delirium. And if they do, I'll be among the first to use it. I've been missing shots all day every day since Uprising.
Isn't there a Dev thread dedicated to new weapon suggestions? Thought for sure I saw something along these lines from CCPWolfman.
+1 to a variant shotgun with increased spread. Very few will claim that Breach SG variants are effective; how about an opposite-of-breach SG? |
bumm baliste
TTCorp
8
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:34:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:I just went 25/7 with shotguns, and ceoprex goes 48 kills with the shotgun in this video.. one sec I'll fin it. anyways, your wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHoNQSpt20Watch this and really tell me you think shotguns need a buff. In on the other hand speed boosters cost more sp than most skills and yet they resently nerfed how much of a bonus they give. Scouts should be a bit faster with modules fitted. Actually you're wrong. * Shotgun from 4th level takes 3 point blank shots to down STD Assault. * He counts OB into shotgun kills, nice. * He just takes kills from his team mates. That's where majority of his frags came from. * He's playing against noobs that are not noticing shotgun and don't even turn around when he packs two slugs in their back. Try doing that in EU servers, facing full teams of KBM tryhards who turn on a dime and headshot you with their TAC Duvolle.Seriously. Try shotgunning against good players in shield buffed PRO suits. It was viable in previous build, it's not viable now. Damn, it's 100x easier to get them down with SMG. And he even says it in the video you linked, LOL, he says "shotgun is underpowered now". And it's true. You could have two-shot heavies with CRG-3 previous build, you need to point blank STD heavy 4 times now, and you better be hitting his ugly face. He says "get a shotgun, put it on a dragonfly", while his fav suit of the match was Minmi MK0 with complex shield extenders and ADV shotty. And he still managed to die 9 times in that. LOL I used them heavily before and I will say this: shotguns are borked this build. Why? Because it's easier to get kills with knife, than with shotgun, from 1m away. That's why.
I don't disagree with you but I'm gonna leave this here.
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Keeriam Miray
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:15:00 -
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Basically shotgun is plasma weapon, not projectile... just exchange "number of pellets" into "area of effect" - that can solve the problem with damage, spread & hitting targets. Shotgun skill instead of reducing spread can expand it, so leveling up will make it easier to use, more deadly at close range.
"plasma does not have a definite shape or a definite volume unless enclosed in a container; unlike gas, under the influence of a magnetic field, it may form structures such as filaments, beams and double layers" |
boba's fetta
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc.
Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers
95
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:17:00 -
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gtfo you havnt seen any boobs. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.05.20 12:12:00 -
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Keeriam Miray wrote:Basically shotgun is plasma weapon, not projectile... just exchange "number of pellets" into "area of effect" - that can solve the problem with damage, spread & hitting targets. Shotgun skill instead of reducing spread can expand it, so leveling up will make it easier to use, more deadly at close range. That means anything in "area of effect" will take full damage of plasma shot.
"plasma does not have a definite shape or a definite volume unless enclosed in a container; unlike gas, under the influence of a magnetic field, it may form structures such as filaments, beams and double layers"
+1 for thinking outside the box, Keeriam. A short-range BFG 9000. I like it :-).
boba's fetta wrote:gtfo you havnt seen any boobs.
Not sure how to respond to this, brother. Can someone from Thukker Tribe please help Boba with his English?
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Rainn Ender
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
28
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Posted - 2013.05.20 12:48:00 -
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shotgun is much more difficult to land hits in this build and when it does the damage is laughable on PRO gear but dodging fire and closing the gap is so much easier now in return.
flanking is not a tactic of mine any more, i cannot hit someone dancing around if they are focused on another player. i have to get their attention and play them into my sights using cover and speed because shooting someone directly in the face seems to be the only way to land a hit.
ccp have increased the risk but lowered the reward |
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Revelations 514
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:11:00 -
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OP is dead on with his topic. I played heavily in Beta but took a vacation the last couple of months. Used to run shotgun scout exclusively so specced this way coming into release. SG has definitely taken a beating with a Nerf Bat. Maybe it needed it even, but in conjunction with the Scout Suit and the SG's even greater lack of range makes me think Nova Knifes are the way to go. I haven't tried the Knives since they became non-standard but already specced gallente which would seem a waste.
Anyways, +1 OP as now I have been playing again and can concur with your statements 100%.
Honestly, I think this spec was more balanced a few months ago as you would die a lot but could at least kill a lot as well. Now the only kills I get are mainly from me being super sneaky, which tbh it wouldn't make any difference to what weapon I had at that point as I would've achieved the same results.
The only promising thing I have noticed is the few times you get the one shot kill. This only happens if they have a weak enough suit and you are hugging them however, and even then you must apparently be an immaculate shot as somehow you will barely miss and feel like an idiot. Point to Nova's in those instances.
Give SG's a bit more range please. Also, the hipfire aiming reticle is off, you must actually aim for an imaginary smaller circle inside the aiming reticle circle. Can this be made smaller to reflect the actual spread of the shot? I literally have to imagine a smaller reticle inside the actual one, because it will very easily miss if I dont.
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Revelations 514
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:32:00 -
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Maybe even increase spread, meaning less projectiles land, and increase dmg for each projectile.
This would reward a very accurate shot, (accurate and close that is), while at least doing SOME dmg for a less than accurate shot.
With an AR having such high capacity and fire rate, you don't have to be accurate to spray and pray, but you get the best results if you are, (head shot bonus and more dmg output per second). Why not do the same for a shotty? Shotty is limited in capacity and range, but should be made up for by the need to not be as accurate at these ranges so that some dmg is done with an inaccurate shot, but you can do MAX dmg output with a precise shot. Hence the "skill" factor.
Seems a fair assessment in mho. |
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