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Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1091	Posted - 2013.05.15 11:41:00 - [1] - Quote Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. It's the morons who jump into the game and have no mic or voice in chat. It's nothing but a harder to get into public match, it's boring and the reddots are still awful. If you're going to play Faction Warfare, get a mic and get on comms you scrubs.
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 280	Posted - 2013.05.15 11:45:00 - [2] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless.
steadyhand amarr BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 536	Posted - 2013.05.15 11:45:00 - [3] - Quote Heh agree I normall spend the 4 minutes trying to get squads totogether
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 166	Posted - 2013.05.15 11:47:00 - [4] - Quote Just stack squads . Thats what weve been doing but youve got to be quick. Give me a shout sone time an we can eat some redberries on the same side for once lol

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 3811	Posted - 2013.05.15 11:52:00 - [5] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears.

Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 11:55:00 - [6] - Quote And about the comms, when i played yesterday, my configuration changed to Push to Talk OFF, and the Voice ON still is default, so now you-¦ll be able to listen to the breathers, annoying kids, barking dogs, crazy wifes and husbands screaming by default.

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 3812	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:00:00 - [7] - Quote To be clear I am speaking from a personal note, this has not been decided in any way. So yea... :)

Llan Heindell One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative 115	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:01:00 - [8] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. He probably does not. I do agree that we could have the FW system in place before it was released, its fun and all, but it's not really changing anything other then the time it takes us to get into a battle. I would suggest an increase on the reward from FW. I've being stomping Minmatar scum yesterday and it took me three times the time to get as many ISK i would get from regular Skirmishes. Even running a lot of ambushes and losing them is better then going to FW. xD Llan Heindell.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 273	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:02:00 - [9] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. It's the morons who jump into the game and have no mic or voice in chat. It's nothing but a harder to get into public match, it's boring and the reddots are still awful. If you're going to play Faction Warfare, get a mic and get on comms you scrubs. Yup it not something that should be rolled out necessarily to be played by anyone (now hear me out) When EVE Dust link really kicks off its the FW corps EVE side who are going to be giving out these contracts, they are staking massive amounts of ISK and reputation on the line to win these territories....and random squadless, goaless people DUST side are going to eff that up? Played a great series of FW battles today between teams with corp/ squad sized groups of players ( I know D6 stacked a Caldari FW contract and won it) which were fantastic. Dynamic fire fights, vehicles called in and blown up, objectives with bitter fire fights..... Then I faced the worse battles.... no cohesion or reason for the fights. Objectives were ninja'd only to be taken back by our guys in seconds after killing two guys, attacks on friendly objective came haphazardly and very rarely (heck even my LAV squaddie managed to roll up on one objective run over everyone there and then capture it before driving off again). I hate to see Amarr FW contracts loaded up with no squads or corps, really just like public battles but with more to lose on the line....
Loki Patera xCosmic Voidx 30	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:02:00 - [10] - Quote It would be cool though to have progressive military honours that you could earn, reflected on your dropsuit somehow. Military stripes for cal and gal, tats for mimi and some symbol design for amarr, also a trophy cabinet in MQ showing off your rewards from fighting for a faction would be awesome.

Llan Heindell One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative 115	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:04:00 - [11] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: And about the comms, when i played yesterday, my configuration changed to Push to Talk OFF, and the Voice ON still is default, so now you-¦ll be able to listen to the breathers, annoying kids, barking dogs, crazy wifes and husbands screaming by default. That's why you have the mute option. Voice chat by default is necessary when further getting into competitive gameplay. Llan Heindell.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 596	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:04:00 - [12] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. Personally, I see Faction Warfare as one way to be able to take part in the storyline. I like a little light RP to my characters. I'm not a 'puts on wizard hat and robes kind of guy.' But, I want to pick a side and see it succeed. So, something as simple as earning and losing standings to the different factions and then earning rank or gaining access to special appearance items would be a nice start for me. While earning faction items would be nice just being able to have custom skins that indicates my rank would be something to strive for.
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:05:00 - [13] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear I am speaking from a personal note, this has not been decided in any way. So yea... :) Since you-¦re here, please speak with the proper people about the old Kill sound, the availabilty of the game to Latin America, and a place at the forums for the Roleplay Community. Thanks! =)
Llan Heindell One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative 115	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:05:00 - [14] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: It would be cool though to have progressive military honours that you could earn, reflected on your dropsuit somehow. Military stripes for cal and gal, tats for mimi and some symbol design for amarr, also a trophy cabinet in MQ showing off your rewards from fighting for a faction would be awesome. WOW! That would be AWESOME! Dude great Idea. +1 Military stripes or symbols added to loyal people accordingly to their level of loyalty. Llan Heindell.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 940	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:07:00 - [15] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. Faction suits and/or equipment as salvage, only available from FW would be good enough incentive. If you did so, it could almost eliminate the need to rework the entire skill tree for dropsuits. Going along with that, it could also resolve most of the drama with X weapon being nerfed. Faction suits could offer damage, clip size, and or damage bonuses to their respective racial weapons or other weapons. One that comes to mind could be a Minmatar grenadier suit that has built in damage and splash radius bonuses to explosive/kinetic damage weapons. Just a thought.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2978	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:08:00 - [16] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: And about the comms, when i played yesterday, my configuration changed to Push to Talk OFF, and the Voice ON still is default, so now you-¦ll be able to listen to the breathers, annoying kids, barking dogs, crazy wifes and husbands screaming by default. Response of average console gamer to voice defaulting to OFF: "This game doesn't even have voice comms? Lame" quits game Response of average console gamer to a bunch of idiots on voice: turns off voice and keeps playing I don't speak for everyone on the forums, but I know which result I'd prefer to see. I also know which result is better for CCP's player counts.
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:08:00 - [17] - Quote Llan Heindell wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: And about the comms, when i played yesterday, my configuration changed to Push to Talk OFF, and the Voice ON still is default, so now you-¦ll be able to listen to the breathers, annoying kids, barking dogs, crazy wifes and husbands screaming by default. That's why you have the mute option. Voice chat by default is necessary when further getting into competitive gameplay. Llan Heindell. If the player does not possess the hability to turn on a mic in a game, i wouldn-¦t put him in my "Competitive" team for PC, or anything that required a victory that mattered. I do understand however the necessity of said players to be guided by hand with the default on, and let the rest mute them all.
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 410	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:08:00 - [18] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: It would be cool though to have progressive military honours that you could earn, reflected on your dropsuit somehow. Military stripes for cal and gal, tats for mimi and some symbol design for amarr, also a trophy cabinet in MQ showing off your rewards from fighting for a faction would be awesome. take note fox =D also I can't help but think you are smiling when you post =/
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1055	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:10:00 - [19] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. I disagree Would be nice to be able to use LP earned in battles for faction suits/weapons/vehicles like i can do in EVE plus it gives a sense of reward for loyalty
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:11:00 - [20] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: It would be cool though to have progressive military honours that you could earn, reflected on your dropsuit somehow. Military stripes for cal and gal, tats for mimi and some symbol design for amarr, also a trophy cabinet in MQ showing off your rewards from fighting for a faction would be awesome. This deserves a thread of it-¦s own at the Feedback/Request section. And a Medal diaplay at the quarters would give a whole new meaning to them!!!!!

Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 329	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:12:00 - [21] - Quote I don't play EVE so I still don't understand fully what it is we do exactly. We affect Sov to some extent, yes? Is that it? Sov that has no effect on Dust whatsoever? I feel like FW in Dust means more to EVE players than Dust players, which is a major problem.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 596	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:15:00 - [22] - Quote Maybe only allow squads of two or more to join FW battles. You eliminate solo players and start encouraging group play at the squad level. I was wondering about defaulting chat to team instead of squad but there are plenty of annoying people out there and comms could get too busy very quickly.
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:18:00 - [23] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: I don't play EVE so I still don't understand fully what it is we do exactly. We affect Sov to some extent, yes? Is that it? Sov that has no effect on Dust whatsoever? I feel like FW in Dust means more to EVE players than Dust players, which is a major problem. You work for a faction of your choice and conquer low-sec territory in their name, and loose said teritory to other workers from different factions. In the process, you get LP, money from the selling of these LP items, and the satisfaction of serving your faction of choice, with a cool rank system that if it were to show in our suits, would be batshitcrazyepicawesomenesssauce.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 329	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:22:00 - [24] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: I don't play EVE so I still don't understand fully what it is we do exactly. We affect Sov to some extent, yes? Is that it? Sov that has no effect on Dust whatsoever? I feel like FW in Dust means more to EVE players than Dust players, which is a major problem. You work for a faction of your choice and conquer low-sec territory in their name, and loose said teritory to other workers from different factions. In the process, you get LP, money from the selling of these LP items, and the satisfaction of serving your faction of choice, with a cool rank system that if it were to show in our suits, would be batshitcrazyepicawesomenesssauce. Well I meant in Dust, so that second paragraph is irrelevant, unfortunately. My problem is there's no real reason to play FW right now if you don't care about one faction over the other. Even then, without knowing exactly how much my victory helped my faction, I don't feel like it accomplishes anything. I guess you could get an EVE Corp/Alliance to pay you a certain amount in your EVE wallet (if you have one) just to fight for one race or another at every opportunity, but you'd need an established name and trust to pull that off to any lucrative extent.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 616	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:26:00 - [25] - Quote I'm just going to throw this out there, if you're queuing for FW battles without at least 6 people, preferably more, then you are most certainly doing it wrong, and it's no wonder you hate it. But let me tell you this, by solo or small group queuing for FW, you are not only ensuring you have a crappy time, but you are also making it boring for people who are looking for a real fight, only to find an enemy team full of randoms. If you want to improve FW, it starts with you. Group up, queue sync, be real. We were rolling 12-16 deep all day yesterday, and were undefeated, even when we went 11 of us vs. 13 of .. well, I'll keep their identity secret for their sake, but we absolutely decimated them. C'mon people. Bring your big boy pants. These aren't your average pub matches. If you're worried about your silly precious "rewards" or whatever, go play pub matches. CCP set FW up as a nice middleground, where, if you work at it, you can stack your team. The best way I can describe it is, "semi-public" matches. this is where you go to stack your team and try out your teamwork. Not to onesy-twosie/AFK. Nothing wrong with playing that way, just not in Faction Warfare matches. Especially not if you actually expect to win :P But hey, it's your sandbox just as much as it is anyone elses. Do whatever tickles your dangly bits.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 464	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:26:00 - [26] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. LP is being used as an isk sink in Eve right now no? It is designed to bring in new things to the economy that multiple groups within the economy have interest in paying for. The LP system is built on the foundation that players can trade with each other and things will make their way to the markets where they are the most valuable. Because we can't trade atm a lot of those links wont work. ...but the basis of having some sort of valuable sinks to work with that 'feel like' investment is vitally important... It is important for those who cannot or do not want to participate in high-stakes PC...but is also important in creating alternative 'stuff' faucets that players will search after...eventually leading to more efficient relationships between players which should be +profit. I think allowing players to sync into FW will be a core aspect of making roles more efficient and more profitable. When you play solo or in smaller squads players will tend to build fits that are swiss army knife. When in a squad or whole team, you can choose to be a cleaver, katana, or drill. So now I've suggested 2 things that FW is doing...transitioning people into better squad play and creating new markets. The first is much easier until you can link markets together easier (p2p trading). Squad Play: What if rewards for FW pushed people even more into this...FW could give 'leadership points'. These leadership point then could unlock things that could change the meta of a battle, but spent and then not gotten back. It would be meaningless now if they were transferrable since we don't have p2p trading. Leadership points could be accumulated for squad actions based on commands and pts that come from acting on those commands they could be awarded only to the squad lead, or maybe to everyone...don't know. It'd probably be best to put a cap on what can be earned in a match though. There could maybe be skillbooks that affect how these are gained or what allows them to be gained. Finally they would/could be spent in different ways. One way I was thinking is that you'd have to 'leverage' these points during a FW match. If you won you'd keep what's left over. If you lost, you lose them. But not only are they 'leveraged' but they can then be spent before and then during a match (kind of like wp for orbitals). ...more...
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 464	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:27:00 - [27] - Quote to be continued...
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:34:00 - [28] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: I don't play EVE so I still don't understand fully what it is we do exactly. We affect Sov to some extent, yes? Is that it? Sov that has no effect on Dust whatsoever? I feel like FW in Dust means more to EVE players than Dust players, which is a major problem. You work for a faction of your choice and conquer low-sec territory in their name, and loose said teritory to other workers from different factions. In the process, you get LP, money from the selling of these LP items, and the satisfaction of serving your faction of choice, with a cool rank system that if it were to show in our suits, would be batshitcrazyepicawesomenesssauce. Well I meant in Dust, so that second paragraph is irrelevant, unfortunately. My problem is there's no real reason to play FW right now if you don't care about one faction over the other. Even then, without knowing exactly how much my victory helped my faction, I don't feel like it accomplishes anything. I guess you could get an EVE Corp/Alliance to pay you a certain amount in your EVE wallet (if you have one) just to fight for one race or another at every opportunity, but you'd need an established name and trust to pull that off to any lucrative extent. The effect dust has on FW in eve is that it makes it either slower or faster to capture systems through plexing (see below). E.g the Ammar Dust militia win several battles in Minmatar territory. This adds a percentage modifier to the effect that completing a plex has on the overall contested state of the system. Plexing: In eve each FW system will spawn new plexes every half hour. they are either small, med or large. Remaining in one of these plexes for the set amount of time with no enemies around will capture th plex. Th system will then move to either a more contested or stable state depending on whether u are attacking or defending. Once the system is fully contested it can be won by destroying a large structure called a hub(not easy). For more info Google it there are more detailed guides online.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 536	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:38:00 - [29] - Quote FW battles can be good training, since you can pick what team you wind up on. That makes it possible to throw two full squads onto one team and let you practice working together. There tends to be a lot of blinged out suits on the field for FW battles too, so the average reward is a little higher. Though I do agree that there should be basic reward that is greater to encourage people to graduate from instant battles to something that has more consequence.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 617	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:40:00 - [30] - Quote and for the EVE/DUST Illiterate out there, "Plex" in this context refers to "Complex". Complexes are basically "encounters" in EVE. PLEX (all caps) is an acronym for Pilots License Extention. Not to be confused with plex. :P Much the same as the game mode Planetary Conquest, or PC, is not to be confused with the new AV weapon the Plasma Cannon, also PC.

Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:41:00 - [31] - Quote I don't think LP is suited to dust imo. I would much rather see faction specific loot std - officer The military ranking system is a great idea. It's one that is used in eve with no real effect on gameplay. In dust however I propose that it determines your CHANCE of receiving higher level gear. Edit: yeah good call orin I don't even associate plexes with the word complexes anymore lol
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Unclaimed. 523	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:45:00 - [32] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: I'm just going to throw this out there, if you're queuing for FW battles without at least 6 people, preferably more, then you are most certainly doing it wrong, and it's no wonder you hate it. But let me tell you this, by solo or small group queuing for FW, you are not only ensuring you have a crappy time, but you are also making it boring for people who are looking for a real fight, only to find an enemy team full of randoms. If you want to improve FW, it starts with you. Group up, queue sync, be real. We were rolling 12-16 deep all day yesterday, and were undefeated, even when we went 11 of us vs. 13 of .. well, I'll keep their identity secret for their sake, but we absolutely decimated them. C'mon people. Bring your big boy pants. These aren't your average pub matches. If you're worried about your silly precious "rewards" or whatever, go play pub matches. CCP set FW up as a nice middleground, where, if you work at it, you can stack your team. The best way I can describe it is, "semi-public" matches. this is where you go to stack your team and try out your teamwork. Not to onesy-twosie/AFK. Nothing wrong with playing that way, just not in Faction Warfare matches. Especially not if you actually expect to win :P But hey, it's your sandbox just as much as it is anyone elses. Do whatever tickles your dangly bits. All good points Orin. But the peeps going solo in FW battles prolly don't read the forums, and probably are picking the matches almost at random. Maybe they're just 'trying it out' and why shouldn't they? There's no real information in-game explaining what the hell these merc tab battle things are anyway. Maybe they're trying it out to see if there's different maps, etc. You can't blame the peeps, but it is a problem. In the long run I'm thinking(and hoping) that what fixes the problem will be player or corp or alliance issued contracts. And I'm hoping that the contract system has enough depth to handle this situation well. In the short term i don't see any easy solution. And from this point forward DUST is going to be picking up new players at a pretty steady clip(prolly a flood in a few months), so the number of clueless peeps checking out merc battles will be a fairly healthy number.
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2013.05.15 12:47:00 - [33] - Quote Pub matches: Enjoy your solo quick relief no stress gameplay Factional Warfarfe: Enjoy your training grounds for cohesive and group work, form up a full squad and learn the tricks. Also, RP away and get COOL RANKS ON YOUR SUITS. PC: Big boys game, full groups, big stakes, big money. Get the rank insignias implemented !!! You-¦ll see a lot of people playing at FW for it !!!
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 464	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:00:00 - [34] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: The effect dust has on FW in eve is that it makes it either slower or faster to capture systems through plexing (see below). E.g the Ammar Dust militia win several battles in Minmatar territory. This adds a percentage modifier to the effect that completing a plex has on the overall contested state of the system. Plexing: In eve each FW system will spawn new plexes every half hour. they are either small, med or large. Remaining in one of these plexes for the set amount of time with no enemies around will capture th plex. Th system will then move to either a more contested or stable state depending on whether u are attacking or defending. Once the system is fully contested it can be won by destroying a large structure called a hub(not easy). For more info Google it there are more detailed guides online. I know this... But there is even a bigger effect on Eve that LP has. CCP's economist mentions on that youtube video I linked, that LP is really helpful in making an isk sink because rich players from across the galaxy want what only the FW players can get. They will pay high amounts of isk to get these unique items. Then also, to get these things FW players must sink isk into LP stores. Most of the time when things are traded, isk is being traded for stuff so that the amount of isk in the system doesn't change, but the value of each thing to the other player is increased. If you turn 'leadership points' into a valued commodity that can only be earned in FW, but helps translate uncertain conflict, into decisive victory, they will be helpful in both increasing destruction of assets in game (more sinks) but also creating a transferrably valuable thing (a squad leader or members that is highly sought after with a bank of LP). If your team does not have these squad leaders that have been tried and tested in FW then they will not have the same edge. I'm proposing the same kind of economic/strategic relationship building effects that LP has for Eve, but without the downside of the development constraints that new equipment/weapons/vehicles has for Dust.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1095	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:07:00 - [35] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: I'm just going to throw this out there, if you're queuing for FW battles without at least 6 people, preferably more, then you are most certainly doing it wrong, and it's no wonder you hate it. But let me tell you this, by solo or small group queuing for FW, you are not only ensuring you have a crappy time, but you are also making it boring for people who are looking for a real fight, only to find an enemy team full of randoms. If you want to improve FW, it starts with you. Group up, queue sync, be real. We were rolling 12-16 deep all day yesterday, and were undefeated, even when we went 11 of us vs. 13 of .. well, I'll keep their identity secret for their sake, but we absolutely decimated them. C'mon people. Bring your big boy pants. These aren't your average pub matches. If you're worried about your silly precious "rewards" or whatever, go play pub matches. CCP set FW up as a nice middleground, where, if you work at it, you can stack your team. The best way I can describe it is, "semi-public" matches. this is where you go to stack your team and try out your teamwork. Not to onesy-twosie/AFK. Nothing wrong with playing that way, just not in Faction Warfare matches. Especially not if you actually expect to win :P But hey, it's your sandbox just as much as it is anyone elses. Do whatever tickles your dangly bits. Just don't complain when you're being redlined so hard you end up dying to your redlines redline. Sometimes I don't wish to squad up with the same people, I like going out and finding groups of people that use comms, I join up with a Squad and act on any suggestions my squadmates offer. It's not that I got stomped or anything, the reason I hated it was because nobody was on comms, it was exactly the same as a Instant Battle. I appreciate "you" might've enjoyed it because you were stomping everyone with your corp in a single team, but it's not a complaint about that, it's a complaint about the bare randoms that join a match and never use their mic. The other day I ended up fighting about 4 AVers in my Tank, asking for support, everyone had their Mics on yet people just walked on by leaving me to deal with it. In the end, eventually a Sniper (Who was on comms, not talking) rushed past my tank with a SMG and helped me, but all these useless bluedots that we in proto suits just ran past oblivious to everything and not taking an interest. The Squad I was in, 4 of them had no mics on the team or squad chat, the other one had it in team but didn't speak. It's not really a thing about the mode, more players that actually play the mode should really look at going to team comms.
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:11:00 - [36] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: The effect dust has on FW in eve is that it makes it either slower or faster to capture systems through plexing (see below). E.g the Ammar Dust militia win several battles in Minmatar territory. This adds a percentage modifier to the effect that completing a plex has on the overall contested state of the system. Plexing: In eve each FW system will spawn new plexes every half hour. they are either small, med or large. Remaining in one of these plexes for the set amount of time with no enemies around will capture th plex. Th system will then move to either a more contested or stable state depending on whether u are attacking or defending. Once the system is fully contested it can be won by destroying a large structure called a hub(not easy). For more info Google it there are more detailed guides online. I know this... But there is even a bigger effect on Eve that LP has. CCP's economist mentions on that youtube video I linked, that LP is really helpful in making an isk sink because rich players from across the galaxy want what only the FW players can get. They will pay high amounts of isk to get these unique items. Then also, to get these things FW players must sink isk into LP stores. Most of the time when things are traded, isk is being traded for stuff so that the amount of isk in the system doesn't change, but the value of each thing to the other player is increased. If you turn 'leadership points' into a valued commodity that can only be earned in FW, but helps translate uncertain conflict, into decisive victory, they will be helpful in both increasing destruction of assets in game (more sinks) but also creating a transferrably valuable thing (a squad leader or members that is highly sought after with a bank of LP). If your team does not have these squad leaders that have been tried and tested in FW then they will not have the same edge. I'm proposing the same kind of economic/strategic relationship building effects that LP has for Eve, but without the downside of the development constraints that new equipment/weapons/vehicles has for Dust. And EVE has a massive problem with the trillions that all the players have saved up they NEED sinks. I dont think the same can be said for dust. Most players dont keep a alot of cash in the bank and all the ISK we got back from the respec will soon diminish. I'm not completly against LP but its just another layer of complexity than may not be needed. If we have a player driven market in the future I can just sell all the Minmatar stuff I have to other players the same as I do with all the things I buy from the LP store in eve or donate it to the war effort of course
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Unclaimed. 224	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:12:00 - [37] - Quote wait.... in one breath the guy says nobody is doing well in FW. mostly because, ok well... mostly because they aren't good at gaming. but then another person asks for rewards? so you're asking for badges and ribbons (nice bf3 ripoff move) for a group of players who can't play the game well and this is supposed to be incentive? lol LOOOOOOOL Peace B
Naquiri ExcelsiCorp Securities 56	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:28:00 - [38] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: I don't play EVE so I still don't understand fully what it is we do exactly. We affect Sov to some extent, yes? Is that it? Sov that has no effect on Dust whatsoever? I feel like FW in Dust means more to EVE players than Dust players, which is a major problem..... .....My problem is there's no real reason to play FW right now if you don't care about one faction over the other. Even then, without knowing exactly how much my victory helped my faction, I don't feel like it accomplishes anything. I guess you could get an EVE Corp/Alliance to pay you a certain amount in your EVE wallet (if you have one) just to fight for one race or another at every opportunity, but you'd need an established name and trust to pull that off to any lucrative extent. I feel the same way, I was excited when I first heard about the game; the idea of being the on the ground arm of the Corporations of EvE was interesting. thus far the EvE-DUST interaction/interconnection is underwhelming. I was hoping for a more substanative level of 'real-time' interactions with the denizens of EvE. as it stands currently, i feel like a disposable Clone, and nothing more.
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:29:00 - [39] - Quote I'd just like to add to the feedback that we still don't have the exact mechanics of the interaction infront of us in black and white. I know you said True Grit were not ready to release this info but I sort of act as the go to guy for DUST info in my EvE corp which is dedicated to FW and it would really help to have solid info. Well done on PC btw !
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 167	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:31:00 - [40] - Quote I think the concept of Faction Warfare as a team-centric gamemode is fine. If I am logged into the game, I wanna play with my Corp. Chances are we are going to have more than 6 players on so there needs to be a mechanism for us to all play together when P/C is not going on. Faction Warfare fill that role fairly well but could be a smoother process. That being said I think CCP can do it better down the line. TL;DR = Make it meaningful, provide some exclusivity, speed it up. Risk & Reward I think incentive is a big drive for Dust players. The dev team talks a lot about creating a reason for doing things in both games. Personally, just being able to play with more of my friends is enough incentive for me. However, I'm sure I am in the minority. A points system seems like the most standard tracker method. Call it LP or call them Faction Points. There should be a leader board dedicated to them for players and organizations to track. I believe the trophy or medal system would also provide some incentive. Many players like to collect things, it's a fact. Why not provide that in some way? There should also be nice milestone rewards at certain points along the points scale. Similar to the type of items players get for participating in events. Special dropsuits, gear or modules. When every possible make them race specific to try and tie it in to the FW part of it. And since you are generally going to use better quality gear against more organized teams, the ISK payouts should be higher (we are mercenaries after all) and the loot a little sweeter. Integration of the Two Games I am not 100% clear on the impact Dust-side FW has on EVE-side. I do know that having Dust players randomly jumping in any ol' match probably isn't super great for their logistical efforts. However, the more I think about it the less appealing having to choose a Faction on Dust-side becomes. I think it takes away from the mercenary role too much. Someday these two economies are going to finally be connected. I want the option to fight for the highest bidder. Faction Warfare has the potential to be a great source of income for smaller corporations not interested or capable of participating in P/C in a meaningful way. CCP needs to get this piece on the board soon. Maybe a good way to start the economic intergration. Keeping it Classy Faction Warfare needs to be a haven for quality organized team-play. This means no randoms. Now I am not a big fan of exclusion but there are enough mechanics in this game, that squading up is not too difficult. If you are a solo player then it is easy enough to add one of the various LFS Channels and let teams know you are looking to play Faction Warfare. Eventually the restriction could lead to better recruitment for establish Corps and give some incentive to randoms to eventually join an organization. The longevity of the title is fairly dependent on the commitment of the player base. You want to appeal to casual players...and you do that by make the game Free-to-Play and offering drop-in/drop-out type of modes. But you also want to make them MORE than casual players in the long run. Faction Warfare can provide the little push to get them engaged, meet people and embrace the culture. In the meantime, the FW battles are not getting filled by single players curious about what FW is and organized Squads have a better chance of keeping there players together and facing some quality competition in the process. Time is Money Waiting for matches to appear, longer load times and sitting around the War Barge for 5 minutes are all irritating deterrents for many teams. The first one might be remedied by the elimination of random players. The second not so sure. But the final issue should be an easy fix. Without the 3D map in the War Barge being active, there is little need for 5 minutes or prep time. Until the map is operational, lets say we cut the countdown in half. And of course more incentive (see above) means we might not mind waiting a little longer.

Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:37:00 - [41] - Quote Leave us randoms out of it :P You say not to diminish the merc role then say you don't want us to be able to be self-employed. I always look to squad up in the war barge but I don't fancy joining a corp right now as I'm already tied to an eve corp which isn't involved in DUST yet. Its people without mics or thoes that are not even willing to activate voice that need to be kicked (yeah I said it KICKED ).
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 429	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:45:00 - [42] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. I've said it before, but if you ban free gear from FW you will see a sharp increase in respectably skilled players taking part in it. Bad players tend to avoid risk as much as possible because they know they are going to get their **** pushed in, and often. It's the same reason a lot of people avoid Eve, as you should be intimately aware of. If there was one thing you should copy from Eve, I would say it is a mandatory level of risk in things that effect both game worlds. Once there is a good level of risk, I think you can start to justify increasing the payouts. But not before. Personally, instead of loyalty points in a traditional manner, I would somewhat like to see a performance rating that is applied between a specific faction and a player/corp. Similar to how Eve does standings, but different in that this is a more flexible system that would track actual player performance. Once you have a system which determines "good player" versus "not so good player" you can have missions that are only available to non-baddies. These missions can pay out more, but the competition will also be made up of tougher opponents. Eve-side, these particular battles should be considered more influential as well. Anyhow, just some rough thoughts. I'm sure that can be adapted a number of ways.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 464	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:48:00 - [43] - Quote Going further with my command points (CP) in FW idea... You could use this mechanic to flesh out the secondary role of commander/squad leader in Dust 514. The role would have its own 'leadership' category of skills that corporation skills could also fall under. There were be a few tiers of skills with some specialization branches. Intro skills: Leadership (x1):+5% war points and command points from squad command actions per level. Drill (x4): +1% SP reward for squad, per squad member, per level. (+30% with 6 squad members at Drill V) Command (x3): (requires leadership V): +5% command points from squad actions. Field Command (x4) (requires command V): Unlocks new command options at each level. Each level increases officer rank. LT, CPT, MAJ, LTC, COL. Branch A: Tacitcal Command (in game command options) Tactical Command (x3) (requires Field Command I): -5% command point cost of 'commands' per level. Advanced tactical command (x4) (requires tactical command III): New tactical commands unlocked at each level. Tactical Command Proficiency (x5) (requires tactical command V): -5% reduced cost of tactical commands per level. Branch B: Strategic Command (pre-game command options) Strategic Command (x3) (requires Field Command II): -5% command point cost of 'commands' per level. Advanced strategic command (x4) (requires tactical command III): New strategic commands unlocked at each level. Strategic Command Proficiency (x5) (requires tactical command V): -5% reduced cost of strategic commands per level. Branch C: Administrative Command Organizational leadership (x2) (requires leadership V): +50 pts per max command point pool amount per squad member per level (only for squad leader). Initial is 500 points + 505 (levels)6 (members) = 2000 pts total pool for members. Institutional leadership (x4) (requires organizational leadership II) : +1 skill point for each remaining CP at the end of a match. (2000 pts*5 SP/pt= 10,000 SP per member). Accountability (x2) (requires organizational leadership III): +2.5% insurance on base cost of items lost for squad members during battle (up to max of 12.5% isk returned).
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 16	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:50:00 - [44] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: And about the comms, when i played yesterday, my configuration changed to Push to Talk OFF, and the Voice ON still is default, so now you-¦ll be able to listen to the breathers, annoying kids, barking dogs, crazy wifes and husbands screaming by default. Or even worse, that one Russian guy filming a porno in the backround
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:52:00 - [45] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: And about the comms, when i played yesterday, my configuration changed to Push to Talk OFF, and the Voice ON still is default, so now you-¦ll be able to listen to the breathers, annoying kids, barking dogs, crazy wifes and husbands screaming by default. Or even worse, that one Russian guy filming a porno in the backround or the guy that humms tunes all match. is it strange I miss him ? oh and a notification that mercs are fighting at planet y in a sytem I am in in EVE would be nice. That way I could run and get a ship for OBs easily. You would even get random farmers joining in.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 464	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:56:00 - [46] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: [quote=Beren Hurin] And EVE has a massive problem with the trillions that all the players have saved up they NEED sinks. I dont think the same can be said for dust. Most players dont keep a alot of cash in the bank and all the ISK we got back from the respec will soon diminish. I'm not completly against LP but its just another layer of complexity than may not be needed. If we have a player driven market in the future I can just sell all the Minmatar stuff I have to other players the same as I do with all the things I buy from the LP store in eve or donate it to the war effort of course I'm actually not really proposing an isk sink here, but more like a time sink. Players can earn command points that can be spent in another 'more valuable' game. You make it so they are hardest to earn in the least competitive environment (instant battles) and maybe even associate them with system sec level. But then since they are being stored up, with lots of optional uses but not on new tradeable items you would actually be making the mercenaries themselves the valuable commodity. Also if you look above at my administrative tier, there could be players who specifically could skill into things that help them to 'train' other players by increasing the SP that they could earn, basically helping new players get up to competitive abilities more quickly.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 189	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:57:00 - [47] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: I'm just going to throw this out there, if you're queuing for FW battles without at least 6 people, preferably more, then you are most certainly doing it wrong, and it's no wonder you hate it. But let me tell you this, by solo or small group queuing for FW, you are not only ensuring you have a crappy time, but you are also making it boring for people who are looking for a real fight, only to find an enemy team full of randoms. If you want to improve FW, it starts with you. Group up, queue sync, be real. We were rolling 12-16 deep all day yesterday, and were undefeated, even when we went 11 of us vs. 13 of .. well, I'll keep their identity secret for their sake, but we absolutely decimated them. C'mon people. Bring your big boy pants. These aren't your average pub matches. If you're worried about your silly precious "rewards" or whatever, go play pub matches. CCP set FW up as a nice middleground, where, if you work at it, you can stack your team. The best way I can describe it is, "semi-public" matches. this is where you go to stack your team and try out your teamwork. Not to onesy-twosie/AFK. Nothing wrong with playing that way, just not in Faction Warfare matches. Especially not if you actually expect to win :P But hey, it's your sandbox just as much as it is anyone elses. Do whatever tickles your dangly bits. Just don't complain when you're being redlined so hard you end up dying to your redlines redline. +1 dude. We did the same yesterday. FW is in my view the exact same as you just stated. People should squad up, or, as you said, stick to pub matches. A few games we had were more of a shooting fish in a barrel routine due to us facing a bunch of randoms, than any kind of a challenge.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 102	Posted - 2013.05.15 13:58:00 - [48] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. I've said it before, but if you ban free gear from FW you will see a sharp increase in respectably skilled players taking part in it. Bad players tend to avoid risk as much as possible because they know they are going to get their **** pushed in, and often. It's the same reason a lot of people avoid Eve, as you should be intimately aware of. If there was one thing you should copy from Eve, I would say it is a mandatory level of risk in things that effect both game worlds. Once there is a good level of risk, I think you can start to justify increasing the payouts. But not before. Personally, instead of loyalty points in a traditional manner, I would somewhat like to see a performance rating that is applied between a specific faction and a player/corp. Similar to how Eve does standings, but different in that this is a more flexible system that would track actual player performance. Once you have a system which determines "good player" versus "not so good player" you can have missions that are only available to non-baddies. These missions can pay out more, but the competition will also be made up of tougher opponents. Eve-side, these particular battles should be considered more influential as well. Anyhow, just some rough thoughts. I'm sure that can be adapted a number of ways. I doubt thats the reason why people stay away from eve lass. But I do agree with you about the gear. But what about those that want to RP (role play) and fight for amarr? ......ok, right I mean Gelente. haha.. amarr.
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative 56	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:11:00 - [49] - Quote "Its people without mics or thoes that are not even willing to activate voice that need to be kicked (yeah I said it KICKED)" People with mics are half the reason I lonewolf with shotguns. I don't want to bother with kid humor, barking dogs, heavy breathers, game echo, etc. I will occasionally activate voice chat and listen in, if the reddies are bonafide fighters. Waiting 10 minutes for a squad to get its poop in a group is ridiculous too. I have a life and better things to do than wait for rf1's. You guys squad up, get a group together, and in the meantime I'll be flanking behind the enemy lines, hacking objectives, and seeking out the snipers and other BAMFs that are tearing your squad up. You're welcome, ingrate.
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Gentlemen's Agreement 22	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:19:00 - [50] - Quote [quote=Jason Pearson]Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. It's the morons who jump into the game and have no mic or voice in chat. It's nothing but a harder to get into public match, it's boring and the reddots are still awful. If you're going to play Faction Warfare, get a mic and get on comms you scrubs.[/quote OOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAYYYYYYYY you should understand that people has diffrent reasons not to use the mics,example i do fw matches lot.but there is a time i cannot use mic that bcause my kid like to pull the mics cord.And that why i like to just go alone bcause without a mic its useless to run in squad.

WE LOVE ReGnUM Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:22:00 - [51] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. I think you're missing the point...again. Quote: There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle Give players a reason to play it over Instant battle. As for the LP point system, I can't believe you guys have completely shut yourself off to the whole concept of it. People trying to earn LP for their faction is Incentive to play FW. Instead of adding items, why don't you add a ranked/ experience system for those who commit to a fraction. On top of that you can even brag that your game has a persistent ranking system. ^I will be expanding this part in the near future. Just give people incentive and they will play it.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 464	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:26:00 - [52] - Quote WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: Quote: There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle Give players a reason to play it over Instant battle. As for the LP point system, I can't believe you guys have completely shut yourself off to the whole concept of it. People trying to earn LP for their faction is Incentive to play FW. Instead of adding items, why don't you add a ranked/ experience system for those who commit to a fraction. On top of that you can even brag that your game has a persistent ranking system. ^I will be expanding this part in the near future. Just give people incentive and they will play it. I really think that being able to squad together and know your whole teams strengths and weaknesses should be an efficiency gain above and beyond that you could get in instant battles.
SERPENT-Adamapple Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:29:00 - [53] - Quote IMO, FW will matter when events like the caldari titan being destroyed take place. It would be nice to get badges as well as loyalty points. Oh and maybe add in faction specific items(weapons, modules, etc.), But in order to access/aquire these items, you have to have accumulated a set amount of loyalty points.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 137	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:30:00 - [54] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. Regardless of loyalty points or not... you need to increase the rewards for both FW and skirmish games in general. As it stands, why would I waste my time (and potentially die more often, losing more suits) for the same ~200k payout I get in ambush? You need to double the ISK/Salvage rewards in Skirmish and triple them in FW battles (seriously, 5m in the MCC wtf!?). Otherwise they both a complete waste of time and the majority of us will continue to play ambush.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 464	Posted - 2013.05.15 14:48:00 - [55] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. Regardless of loyalty points or not... you need to increase the rewards for both FW and skirmish games in general. As it stands, why would I waste my time (and potentially die more often, losing more suits) for the same ~200k payout I get in ambush? You need to double the ISK/Salvage rewards in Skirmish and triple them in FW battles (seriously, 5m in the MCC wtf!?). Otherwise they both a complete waste of time and the majority of us will continue to play ambush. Really you are negating your question from the start. Why would anyone play instant battles when they could get this doubled reward from FW battles? Watch this which is about how complicated this whole economic thing is. With my proposal I really think there is something significant to indirect, non-material, and non-p2p-transferrable advantages. With command points and the commands that they give, you are bringing a new commodity into the system that cannot be bought on the market; 'command enabled merc'. You really would be generated 'stored services' in FW that can be used at a later date. Lets say a good squad leader needed ~2 million SP in command points, and he and his squad mates each need 15 - 20 FW games worth of command points to get a 'full deck' of options available for a decisive impact for their next PC match. My intention is that, even more than isk, command points would mainly be best earned through intentional and strategic squad play in faction warfare, at a low enough rate that command point rich mercs are hard to find. It would also mean that you would want to have a rotating supply of commanders for your PC matches, because a FW veteran with enough command points would be more valuable than a PC veteran who is constantly defending. It could even mean that a fresh squad of vets from FW with no territory could have a leg up on burnt out corps who do not have the base to sustain command point income.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 189	Posted - 2013.05.15 15:19:00 - [56] - Quote WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. I think you're missing the point...again. Quote: There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle Give players a reason to play it over Instant battle. As for the LP point system, I can't believe you guys have completely shut yourself off to the whole concept of it. People trying to earn LP for their faction is Incentive to play FW. Instead of adding items, why don't you add a ranked/ experience system for those who commit to a fraction. On top of that you can even brag that your game has a persistent ranking system. ^I will be expanding this part in the near future. Just give people incentive and they will play it. Ye lot must have your heads somewhere else. If a Corp has a few squads on then FW is excellent. THAT is a massive reason to play it rather than IB. A points system, or FW stats tracker of some description would be nice yes, but how about we get present mechanics tightened and tweaked before we start adding in little extras. How about getting a better system than Q syncing for multiple squads to get in.
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 207	Posted - 2013.05.15 15:37:00 - [57] - Quote Beren Hurin, I like some of your ideas bro, thanks for posting them. It would be cool to have a little more depth and options for the game and meanwhile offer a reason to be a squad leader and reward those who are good squad leads. I wonder if more of what you are describing will come with the Leadership dropsuits that have yet to be announced... only hinted at. where they have those AoE effects for their squad. But I could see many of your ideas working in there with it. Gave you all the likes I could.
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 57	Posted - 2013.05.15 15:42:00 - [58] - Quote Faction warfare seems like the same game as a normal match.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Unclaimed. 523	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:08:00 - [59] - Quote We don't need loyalty points. All we need is access to a faction stores that sell cool faction stuff to faction mercs - for good ol' ISK. Only question is how do we control/grant access to the faction stores?
mongahu Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:20:00 - [60] - Quote Ya doesntchav to be lp but there needs to be some way of showing that ur loyal to a faction and rewarded for that loyalty. As it stands I do a skirmish match for some scrub corp and its the same reward as a fw match except the fw is harder to get into. Fw needs loyalty rewards plain and simple. There are alot of ways to do it ccp just needs to pick one and role with it. And focus Foxfor don't assume that another currency and market for us to deal with is a bad thing we can handle it.

Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 935	Posted - 2013.05.15 18:09:00 - [61] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? ... As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. Personally, I'm not wedded to LP, but I feel that there should be some reward for loyalty to a faction. Maybe Standing-influenced battle rewards coupled with a win/loss payout discrepancy? For instance: My merc fights for the Federation (of course) and loses. I get 125,000 ISK (average). After the battle, I get a +0.005% GF Standing boost and a -0.005% CS penalty. My merc fights another battle for the Federation and wins. I get 175,875 ISK (175,000 average + .005% bonus) and then I get a 0.01% standing boost (and -0.01% CS). My merc then fights for the Caldari and wins. I get 175,000 ISK. After that, I get a +0.01% CS Standing boost and a -0.01% GF Standing penalty. Standing would cap out at 10% bonus, which would require 1,000 wins or 2,000 losses for the same team with no fights for the opposite team. I could also see the Standings boosting Salvage probability in FW battles. Finally, if corps are allowed to spend money to invade FW districts out of their own initiative or patriotism (as they should), then I would tack on an additional bonus that reflects the cost.
Nazz'Dragg RestlessSpirits 13	Posted - 2013.05.15 18:12:00 - [62] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. To have LP/reputation system where after you gain enough LP towards one faction you can go to that factions special market place and by that factions gear on the cheap. Have it so you can only ever earn LP to one faction at a time but once this game up to scatch and there's amarr/mimintar vehicles it might prove very popular.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1525	Posted - 2013.05.15 18:14:00 - [63] - Quote I'm a big fan of the idea of implementing factions standings, and then friendly-fire in FW battles. The standings drop could eventually lead to you being unable to fight for that faction, possibly requiring a shitload of PvE to get that privilege back, just like in EVE. This would also go a long way toward transitioning people out of the mindset of being able to just fire any weapon with impunity no matter who's in the way. I think we're going to see a LOT of teamkilling when PC battles first start due simply to everyone being used to not being able to kill friendlies.
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1146	Posted - 2013.05.15 18:15:00 - [64] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. I want the ability to buy suits that are amazing but can only be used in FW. Gives new players a taste of better gear without debalancing PC and null sec and instant battles. Instead of using LP as a currency, why not treat it like unlock points? Fighting for one side and winning nets you +LP and -LP with the other faction. As you gain more LP you unlock more market options for special FW only suits. These are made by the faction just for the war effect, and the dropsuits you are buying are delievered for you at the fight. These modules would cost isk not LP. LP would just be used to unock more and more options to buy from the loyalty store. You get it right? People don't care for the loyalty points, it's the loyalty store they like. We want to be rewarded and have special options becuase we helpped our faction fight, and other people shouldn't be able to buy them. This creates a power 2nd market for players who don't want enough LP yet but want to fight for their faction.
Mia Romani Nexus Marines 2	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:02:00 - [65] - Quote I agree that we don't need to copy the exact same mechanics over, but I do believe that there needs to be some incentive to align yourself with and invest in a particular faction. I get that we're mercs for hire, but I don't see how that prevents us from building trust with a repeat employer. Likewise, I don't see any lore reason to prevent a faction leader hiring a merc group for an entire campaign instead of a just a single skirmish. For example, why not allow FW corps to accept FW contracts that require a certain number of victories against a specific faction to complete? You could even include a bonus payout for mercs that choose to remain "exclusive" for the duration of the contract. From that, you can build up a contract history, and have the factions provide better rewards to those mercs that have helped them out the most. It's not about LP, or alternate currency systems... It's about making a longer term investment for a longer term reward.
copy left SyNergy Gaming EoN. 169	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:08:00 - [66] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yeah, I mean it, it's awful but.. this time it's not CCP's fault. Disagree. I think it is CCP's fault for releasing it too soon. There is absolutly ZERO benifit to Dust Merc's playing FW over an instant battle. And it seems Loyalty Points wont be introdused to Dust either, making FW even more pointless. Because LP is the ONLY way to make FW battles more rewarding... Honestly, what does LP offer that we can't do in a better way? LP means ANOTHER currency to track A separate or more complicated market More items to balance while we still attempt to find the right balance for what we have We are developing another game in the same universe. We don't have to copy everything from EVE and paste it into DUST. We can do things differently. Something work great for EVE and the game it is, but DUST while in the same universe is a different game. That is not to say LP is bad for EVE. They have a scheme for how items work should balance out and they can fit the faction items into it. As I have said elsewhere we are looking at ways to increase the rewards in FW battles. If there is another reason you would like LP other than for increasing the reward/value of FW matches I am all ears. Maybe you guys should double the amount of isk you get in Factional warfare for the winners and halve it for the losers. Example : Winner = 400,000 or more. Loser= 50,000 or less.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 745	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:31:00 - [67] - Quote How to make Fac War worth it: 1. Get rid of equal contract payouts for both teams win or lose. 2. 50-75% of the losing teams SP and ISK normally gained is pooled and divided up equally between members of the opposing team. 3. Add in faction specific dropsuits and gear gained regularly as salvage for participating. 4. Regularly fighting for a certain side should net you a small percentage bonus when fighting for them again in terms of SP and ISK. (5-10%) There, easy way to make winning matter and people want to forge connections to the side they choose to fight for without limiting merc style choosing.


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