Actually, it is true.
Caldari Logi is overpowered, waay above any other Logi, however assaults are pointless in comparison to logi.
Any sane assault would go the logi path, because whatever "disadvantages" they have, the extra slots make up for them, and the equipment slots let them stay versatile, while not sacrifising firepower what so ever.
In comparison, the Assault is like the basic suit....
Oh wait, it is the basic suit, with some worthless passives >_>

Face it logis, your suit can output the same DPS, have the same tank, AND you have 3 equipment slots.
Also easier to fit, and have inherent armor regeneration.
Sigh, how much I would love to have it for my Gallente basic/assault suit.

I feel awesome because Iron Wolf Saber is butthurt because he gets stomped by yellow awesomeness.

Anyway:
first of all, logis are forced to fit a weapon because they also need to be able to defend themself especially because they are shiny yellow easy to see and also slower, have less stamina and most importantly have significantly less STRAFE speed (and there is not module to increase strafe speed). they should not be penalized for having to fit a weapon with all the other combat related drawbacks in stats.

Second, in real squad gameplay (not regular pubstomp) logis need to be fast enough to keep up with the assaults and the flow of the battle and also be durable enough to not get picked out and killed, thus you need slots. A logi is useless when he arrives after the combat has ended already and then just dies like everyone else.

Third, only the tanking capability of some logis is the problem. The amarr logi is actually weak, it has less PG/CPU then the racial assault brother, has 2 slots less than every other logi and does not get the the major benefit of the amarr logi before proto level (the sidearm slot). The amarr logi actually needs a buff in PG/CPU and the sidearm should be available earlier (amarr is the laser race, laser is useless up close thus they need a sidearm, let them carry one) and all other suits need to be slightly brought down in terms of tanking after fitting all modules.

Another problem is the bonus on the assault suits making the assaults only slightly better than the regular medium frame. This and the fact that the logi suits bonus is usuall better adds together and creates a gap but this does not mean that the logis are OP, the assaults are just too weak while logis are slightly too good. All that has to be done is fix the tanking capabilities of some logis (by chaning suit bonus and slots), bring the amarr logi up to be on par with the rest and give the assaults proper suit bonus and slight boost to EHP.

this post right here needs to be stickied for the slow to comprehend. Logis dont need high and low slots to do their jobs. they need equipment. large amount of slots just makes them a an anomaly that can carry equipment and be the best assault class simultaneously.

the 'buff assaults' debate fails hard. assaults are fine. the problem is that the logi suits are better than their assault counterparts. its also not just the caldari so stop saying it. the gallente will have the same problem when they add armor mods that dont affect movement.

no amount of QQ threads will change the fact that anyone who can read knows to pick a bumblebee suit and a tactical AR if they want to do well. CCP will address it, you dont have to like it.

this post right here needs to be stickied for the slow to comprehend. Logis dont need high and low slots to do their jobs, they need equipment. large amount of slots just makes them a an anomaly that can carry equipment and be the best assault class simultaneously..

this post right here needs to be stickied for the slow to comprehend. Logis dont need high and low slots to do their jobs. they need equipment. large amount of slots just makes them a an anomaly that can carry equipment and be the best assault class simultaneously.

the 'buff assaults' debate fails hard. assaults are fine. the problem is that the logi suits are better than their assault counterparts. its also not just the caldari so stop saying it. the gallente will have the same problem when they add armor mods that dont affect movement.

no amount of QQ threads will change the fact that anyone who can read knows to pick a bumblebee suit and a tactical AR if they want to do well. CCP will address it, you dont have to like it.

And on that day, the ****ing nerf witch hunt will continue. What do you think is next? Heavies are almost back to their former glory, they could use another nerf bat to the knees again. Too soon? Why not the Minmatar Scout? He's doing well, making speed tanking a thing and all. Oh, I know, Tanks! Everyone hates tanks, right? Oh wait, they just got another ****ing ninja nerf and their circuitry skills are bugged so they barely have the PG to equip half their modules. Mass Drivers? Nope, they "fixed" the MD and called it helping us. Hmmm, what's left to nerf... Dropshi- nah, I can't even joke about them. Everything has has been the Nancy Kerigan to CCP's Tonya Harding... what.. can.. we... nerf... Oh! I know! Let's nerf the Assaults next!
Pffft! Hahahaha! Yeah right, CCP will never nerf the Assaults. They need them to bring in the CoD, BF, Halo crowd. You see what I'm getting at? For 2 years, this game has been degraded from an arms race to a nerf war and the line has to be drawn somewhere. I say here and now, we draw it at logistics! We've been sitting here discussing several threads on how to make the assaults better and I'll be damned if they nerf my logibee because of a bunch of butthurt assaults and a CPM member that generalized an entire suit class. I'm not going to take it lying down. When this game updates tomorrow and that night the forums are filled with Caldari logis QQing about the scrambler rifle, remember what happened for the past few days. Stop the nerfing. We need the meta game to be about the game and not circlejerking a about what needs to be nerfed on these goddamned forums.

Off topic but Cosgar I seem to recall you mentioning a milita ScR in a different thread is this definatley confirmed?

[quote=Jack McReady]
PS: you talk about militia gear in your first post and about yellow awesomeness in the second, is there militia logi I didn't see?

I'm sorry, what?

In a different thread you mentioned a militia scrambler rifle lol and everyone wanted to know if there definatley was one the thread was "Its tomorrow."

this post right here needs to be stickied for the slow to comprehend. Logis dont need high and low slots to do their jobs. they need equipment. large amount of slots just makes them a an anomaly that can carry equipment and be the best assault class simultaneously.

the 'buff assaults' debate fails hard. assaults are fine. the problem is that the logi suits are better than their assault counterparts. its also not just the caldari so stop saying it. the gallente will have the same problem when they add armor mods that dont affect movement.

no amount of QQ threads will change the fact that anyone who can read knows to pick a bumblebee suit and a tactical AR if they want to do well. CCP will address it, you dont have to like it.

except we need hp to survive more than assaults

assaults should rely on logis to keep their ammo and armor up and keep them alive

most of the time an assault player while doing any one thing is frozen solid we need a large hp buffer in order to take the hits while being frozen in an animation

otherwise we are useless and you would never see another person running around healing or reviving theres a reason you dont see scouts running around with nanite injectors and repair tools

Why do you need to survive more than a assault who is on the front line? Aren't Logis the support them? Right now, like many have said, they are support, frontline, and selfsupport without much compromises.

I agree with removing the Light weapon slot idea, allowing only a sidearm, or the slot count reduced, one or the other.

My assesment is that only the Caldari Logi needs tuning:

Currently, the bonus is too combat oriented.
Also, having NINE HI/LOs (+3 EQ)) is too much when compared to even other logis.


Fix those and we are ready for next testing round.


If devs feel that all logis are too combat-oriented and are too flexible so they trump assaults, removing flexibility is NOT the way.
Better solution: Give assault class some sweet combat oriented bonus which would define them as combat platform.


(perhaps even... +1% damage per level OMG?? )

I'll be honest.

I see a yellow suit and I go buggy nuts trying to kill it.

Not because I think it's OP.

Because it's a logi, and I kill them first. Past history has shown me that they're not significantly harder to kill than assault suits. they just recover faster if they escape. The preferred weapons of both the assault and logi are greater concern to me bluntly. the Tac AR and Duvolle on a scout suit makes chutney out of everything. they start shooting that and you really don't have the time to chew through the defenses of either suit.

Flux nades solve both problems rather swiftly though. So do shotguns.

And they seem to think 700 EHP means standing still in front of an HMG is a good idea. if they have a duvolle or TAC they probably can, though. DPS tank at it's finest, and I know a few people who run three damage mods instead of all highs running extenders. DPS tank is still effective.

Logis dont need high and low slots to do their jobs.

Same DPS output, same Tanking possibility (yes, all Logi's, not just the assault) and 3 equipment slots at the price of... a sidearm that I don't even put on my suit anyway to fit better gear?
Also, inherent armor regeneration.

So basically, you do everything the assault does better.

Like I said, offer facts or SFTU, like the fact that if it wasn't for it's bonus, the Cal Logi would need the extra slot just to tie with the assault suit in the HP department. You want to strip them of slots, give them the same base stats as an assault suit so that the only difference is the side arm vs equipment, because that is in fact the only difference aside from the creative freedom of further customizing your fit.

If again you cannot comprehend why the logi fighting alongside you needs the same amount of health as you then you need to STFU, you know nothing about balance or role. they are combat medics, not redline medics, they need just as much surviveability as you if they're going to be of any use. That's also why the Amarr suit is the worst logi, it's the most fragile.

Stop trying to turn logis into your personal babysitters.